Trying to come up with a decent opponent for Zoom without going all multi-versal with it.... Two different scenarios -
1 - Normal morals apply , Srange can not use flight or levitation at all. Zoom has to wait 5 seconds before any speed blitzing attacks(but can still move freely), and no Ifinite Mass Punching...
2 - Blood lust for both, Strange cant "summon" for 5 seconds, Zoom can use the IMP after 5 seconds...
hope this goes well... : )
Not sure if Strange's flight would make that much of a difference, it might...can strange breath in space? I forget? but I see your point .
I think I'll go Zoom here, by the time Strange does anything I think Zoom would have already made his assault. But the 5 seconds thing I think I'll still go Zoom here because his ability to "move fast" isn't nulified in which he has no equal.
I'll go Zoom
1. Classic strange could probaly beat him if Zoom is forced to stand there for 5 seconds. If Zoom runs to other end of the earth waits 5 seconds then comes back and Punches through strange's sheilds than knocks his head off he wins
2, Zoom doesn't use IMPs but he doesn't need them in this fight, Strange is screwed via inferior speed.
- Classic strange had auto-shields. That prevents Zoom From Blitzing
- Classic Strange has control Over time, just like Zoom. If he decides to stop it, It comes down to a normal human vs a Skyfather lvl magic user
OP prevents Zoom from blitzing, if it didn't zoom would smash straight through the them and through him before he could do anything.
Classic strange won't be able to think of using time-control before losing.
strange may have the power to control time, but he doesn't have the reaction time nor speed to accomplish that feat before zoom imp him. in other words.... zoom's personal time give him ftl reaction time & speed. strange would have to cast a spell and that takes time. he's far to slow for zoom.
"strange may have the power to control time, but he doesn't have the reaction time nor speed to accomplish that feat before zoom imp him. in other words.... zoom's personal time give him ftl reaction time & speed. strange would have to cast a spell and that takes time. he's far to slow for zoom. "
But Strange is being given prep time. He can cast that spell in five seconds right?
" @The Opposite said:Zoom, can Zoom IMP or not? Just curious, there seems to be some debate over this.
"strange may have the power to control time, but he doesn't have the reaction time nor speed to accomplish that feat before zoom imp him. in other words.... zoom's personal time give him ftl reaction time & speed. strange would have to cast a spell and that takes time. he's far to slow for zoom. "But Strange is being given prep time. He can cast that spell in five seconds right? "
"classic strange's autoshields have tanked blasts from Oblivion, galactus and deathurge. I highly doubt A glorified speedster is getting through them. "
"To cause to be or seem more glorious or excellent than is actually the case "
You've never read a comic with Zoom have you?
Classic Strange can be an absolute beast with crazy feats that make Zoom look really one dimensional and weak, but without time to prepare Strange wasn't so impressive so in a random location with no prep I think Zoom can turn him to roadkill. Zoom has crazy speed and in a random encounter I see Zoom taking it
If Classic Strange had any time and I mean any time at all to prepare then this fight is already decided
Lol okay :P zoom doesn't control time. Just his own bubble. So Strange can freeze the world's time for as long as he wants. It won't affect Zoom. And Zoom's gone through barriers/solid objects beofre (for some unknown reason). Zoom Stomps bro, unless strange can whip something i don't know about in 5 seconds.
The other problem is that Zoom also can't get past or punch Classic Strange with enough force to bypass his protective barriers which have been shown to take some cosmic hits. It could stalemate for all I know. haven't heard an argument from either side that triumphs the other.
Well Zoom has actually gone through solid ovjects before... Idk, but people here always bring that up. I know for a fact he should'nt be able to, but he does. So because of that, you're right, it's either a stalemate or zoom gets through it.
The feat of strange stopping time supports that he wins in the scenario where he's given 5 seconds prep.
His autoshields suggest that he might win even without the 5 seconds. It comes down to whether magic would still work to protect him when Zoom is moving with time stopped. His magic can work automatically regardless of his human perceptual speed, but can it work with no time passing ? No clue.
@Jezer: Zoom's powers is controlling his own timestream which has been explained to exist separately from other time. How he gets his infinity stamina, runs on walls, etc is not known since his powers don't work like the Flashes.
The argument is that Strange either does or doesn't have the ability to control Zoom's time stream.
Because of that, the debate has probably lead to fanboyism. From my knowledge, there is absolutely no way either side can support their debates.
I'd like to know how Zoom would deal with a time-stop, which is within Strange's capabilities.
Yeah, "own personal time-frame" and all, but how effective is that if he doesn't have a reference point to alter his time/speed from?
With the "no attacking for 5 seconds" rule for Zoom, couldn't Strange just whip up an invisible containment or gas spell? Zoom can't dodge what he can't see, right?