You vs Rhonda Rousey
Sure you do. Everyone on the internet has at least 5 years of Kung Fu/Tae Kwon Do/Jujitsu/Judo/etc experience.
I highly doubt you have any formal training, and if you do, certainly not that much experience.
she KO's you before you can react.
Ah, kind of like how it took her dozens of punches in her recent match to KO an opponent that wasn't even blocking?
Believe what you want.
It does not matter if you block or not, you are getting one shotted. Suck up the frail male ego and deal with it.
@solarpowered: Mousasi has earned multiple titles and is a very high ranking fighter. He is world class. He is not an average MA fighter by any stretch of my imagination.
That's not the point. The point was that he was tossing her around with little actual physical exertion.
@solarpowered: Because he has superior skill and super strength. An average MA fighter does not have the skill to make a size and strength gap matter as much, let alone a regular Joe.
Sure you do. Everyone on the internet has at least 5 years of Kung Fu/Tae Kwon Do/Jujitsu/Judo/etc experience.
I highly doubt you have any formal training, and if you do, certainly not that much experience.
she KO's you before you can react.
Ah, kind of like how it took her dozens of punches in her recent match to KO an opponent that wasn't even blocking?
Believe what you want.
It does not matter if you block or not, you are getting one shotted. Suck up the frail male ego and deal with it.
Frail male ego?
Are you honestly resorting to ad hominems now? What are you, 12?
I hope you have some basis to support this claim.
Ronda Rousey isn't one shotting anyone on this board. Hell she hasn't even one shotted anyone in any of her fights.
@comicstooge: I'm sorry some of us actaully know how to fight. Rousy has lousy striking. Basic boxing from any male would own her.
@solarpowered: They're actually trained to take punches. We aren't for the most part.
Anyway, she Judo flips any of us into oblivion.
@solarpowered: You are the one calling Mousasi an average MA fighter, lmao. You purposely want to lowball a trained fighter to make it seem like you have a decent chance at defeating Rousey, which you don't. Unless you get extremely lucky, you are going down, simple as that.
@comicstooge: I'm sorry some of us actaully know how to fight. Rousy has lousy striking. Basic boxing from any male would own her.
She's primarily a grappler anyway. You get choked to death.
Better strikers than you have tried and all have failed.
@comicstooge: what are you talking about? Like I said if I own the center line she can't get on the inside ther for not get ahold of me so her grappling is moot. Also she hasn't faught any strikers. Her division is a bunch of grapplers. You can barely call them strikers. Jessica eye is referred to as a striker and so was bethe and they both sub par at striking. No good striker in the bunch. Like come on least know what you are talking about.
@solarpowered: You are the one calling Mousasi an average MA fighter, lmao. You purposely want to lowball a trained fighter to make it seem like you have a decent chance at defeating Rousey, which you don't. Unless you get extremely lucky, you are going down, simple as that.
Quote where I called Mousasi average? Anyway...
She even gets manhandled by Gilbert Melendez. He gets on top of her, and barely even transitions. He essentially just lays on top of her and holds her down. She spends a full minute trying to get him off. Know what the worst part is? Melendez is 5'9" 155 pounds.
Want to know what's also bad? Melendez isn't even a ground specialist. He's a knockout artist. All but one of his wins come from knockouts or TKOs.
Rousey also doesn't even manage to submit him.
I also don't think Melendez is even in the top 20 of lightweight fighters.
You are either simply in denial, or have a fetish for being overpowered by women. I'm not going to judge whatever you get off to, but attempting to deny facts and basic human physiology because of your strange misconceptions just makes you look ignorant.
@comicstooge: see it's threads like these that are traps.
There is absolutely nothing to gain via claiming that you can beat up a women on the internetz.
But some of us have spent our youth getting martial training etched into our souls whether we wanted to or not.
I assume that when you take a large enough sample size not everyone is lying when they talk about there experiences.
@comicstooge: I'm sorry some of us actaully know how to fight. Rousy has lousy striking. Basic boxing from any male would own her.
She's primarily a grappler anyway. You get choked to death.
Better strikers than you have tried and all have failed.
Not according to her training session against Melendez.
@solarpowered: Actually Melendez is in the top 5 in his class. Try again.
And you stated in your previous comment 'average MMA fighter' with another top 10 fighter.
Posting vids of her losing against world class fighters proves absolutely nothing. You will have to do better than that.
@comicstooge: what are you talking about? Like I said if I own the center line she can't get on the inside ther for not get ahold of me so her grappling is moot. Also she hasn't faught any strikers. Her division is a bunch of grapplers. You can barely call them strikers. Jessica eye is referred to as a striker and so was bethe and they both sub par at striking. No good striker in the bunch. Like come on least know what you are talking about.
You're the one claiming to be able to beat a professional fighter because of your gender. You ever hear the phrase "everyone has a game plan until they get punched in the head?"
Cuz that'd be you, hombre. It's all well and good to talk the good shit, but you'd get absolutely wrecked by pretty much any professional athlete worth a damn.
Sure, you can compare Ronda to other professional fighters, but you can't compare her to yourself.
@solarpowered: Actually Melendez is in the top 5 in his class. Try again.
And you stated in your previous comment 'average MMA fighter' with another top 10 fighter.
Posting vids of her losing against world class fighters proves absolutely nothing. You will have to do better than that.
I said an average fighter could beat her based on how easily a guy that was stronger than her was tossing her around. Nowhere in that did I compare Gegard to an average fighter.
Also, it's astounding to me how you're going through such lengths to wank Rousey, but you don't know anything about the UFC.
These are the top 15 lightweight UFC fighters as of currently.
Melendez didn't even make the list.
Anymore fallacious claims you'd like me to debunk?
@comicstooge: Jeeze bro you mad? Lol.
@comicstooge: Jeeze bro you mad? Lol.
Not mad, just astounded by ignorance. There's a difference.
Were you trolling, in any case?
To make the point of her losing to an average fighter you'd have to post a vid of her losing to... an average fighter. Not Mousasi, derp.
Last time I checked he was in the top 5, maybe not right now. He was definitely in there at some point. In no way is he average.
Show me a vid of her losing to a nobody, or concede. You are the one trying to prove her titles and feats mean nothing.
To make the point of her losing to an average fighter you'd have to post a vid of her losing to... an average fighter. Not Mousasi, derp.
Last time I checked he was in the top 5, maybe not right now. He was definitely in there at some point. In no way is he average.
Show me a vid of her losing to a nobody, or concede. You are the one trying to prove her titles and feats mean nothing.
She's never fought a man before; you're asking for evidence that simply does not exist.
I'm making my claims based on how she's handled in mere spar sessions against men. You think if these guys weren't holding back she'd be able to hold a torch to them? They'd obliterate her.
I'm basing my thesis on common sense.
To make the point of her losing to an average fighter you'd have to post a vid of her losing to... an average fighter. Not Mousasi, derp.
Last time I checked he was in the top 5, maybe not right now. He was definitely in there at some point. In no way is he average.
Show me a vid of her losing to a nobody, or concede. You are the one trying to prove her titles and feats mean nothing.
She's never fought a man before; you're asking for evidence that simply does not exist.
I'm making my claims based on how she's handled in mere spar sessions against men. You think if these guys weren't holding back she'd be able to hold a torch to them? They'd obliterate her.
I'm basing my thesis on common sense.
That is hardly my problem.
You are making claims on how she performed against men who were not ONLY stronger than her, but also evenly or more skilled. I am arguing that strength and size lose their advantage gradually as the skill gap becomes larger. THAT is kinda common sense. Any trained martial artist will tell you that.
And the skill gap between her and 95 - 99% of the people on this board make it so that she takes the fight with ease. She only loses to strong guys with MA training of their own, or someone who gets a lucky punch in against her temple or something.
To make the point of her losing to an average fighter you'd have to post a vid of her losing to... an average fighter. Not Mousasi, derp.
Last time I checked he was in the top 5, maybe not right now. He was definitely in there at some point. In no way is he average.
Show me a vid of her losing to a nobody, or concede. You are the one trying to prove her titles and feats mean nothing.
She's never fought a man before; you're asking for evidence that simply does not exist.
I'm making my claims based on how she's handled in mere spar sessions against men. You think if these guys weren't holding back she'd be able to hold a torch to them? They'd obliterate her.
I'm basing my thesis on common sense.
That is hardly my problem.
You are making claims on how she performed against men who were not ONLY stronger than her, but also evenly or more skilled. I am arguing that strength and size lose their advantage gradually as the skill gap becomes larger. THAT is kinda common sense. Any trained martial artist will tell you that.
And the skill gap between her and 95 - 99% of the people on this board make it so that she takes the fight with ease. She only loses to strong guys with MA training of their own, or someone who gets a lucky punch in against her temple or something.
What makes you think Melendez is proportionately as good as her when it comes to ground skill? All of his fights have been won via knockout, and not a single punch was thrown in either of those sparring sessions.
Moreover, there was barely any "skill" being utilized by Melendez for that sparring session. As I said, he was essentially just pinning her on the ground while she huffed, and puffed, and struggled to get him off.
That is hardly my problem.
You are making claims on how she performed against men who were not ONLY stronger than her, but also evenly or more skilled. I am arguing that strength and size lose their advantage gradually as the skill gap becomes larger. THAT is kinda common sense. Any trained martial artist will tell you that.
And the skill gap between her and 95 - 99% of the people on this board make it so that she takes the fight with ease. She only loses to strong guys with MA training of their own, or someone who gets a lucky punch in against her temple or something.
What makes you think Melendez is proportionately as good as her when it comes to ground skill? All of his fights have been won via knockout, and not a single punch was thrown in either of those sparring sessions.
Moreover, there was barely any "skill" being utilized by Melendez for that sparring session. As I said, he was essentially just pinning her on the ground while she huffed, and puffed, and struggled to get him off.
Probably not as good proportionally, but a lot better than the vast majority on this board and not fodder to her. Do you doubt that?
Pinning someone on the ground is not only about strength. It may look like all you need is brute force, and of course that definitely helps. But by using specific holds, you can definitely overcome a lack of force.
More over, at that point they were already on the ground in a pinning position. She is not gonna give you that chance. She is a lot more skilled in take downs, so she is pinning YOU down, and your relative superior strength (supposedly) is not helping you.
That is hardly my problem.
You are making claims on how she performed against men who were not ONLY stronger than her, but also evenly or more skilled. I am arguing that strength and size lose their advantage gradually as the skill gap becomes larger. THAT is kinda common sense. Any trained martial artist will tell you that.
And the skill gap between her and 95 - 99% of the people on this board make it so that she takes the fight with ease. She only loses to strong guys with MA training of their own, or someone who gets a lucky punch in against her temple or something.
What makes you think Melendez is proportionately as good as her when it comes to ground skill? All of his fights have been won via knockout, and not a single punch was thrown in either of those sparring sessions.
Moreover, there was barely any "skill" being utilized by Melendez for that sparring session. As I said, he was essentially just pinning her on the ground while she huffed, and puffed, and struggled to get him off.
Probably not as good proportionally, but a lot better than the vast majority on this board and not fodder to her. Do you doubt that?
Pinning someone on the ground is not only about strength. It may look like all you need is brute force, and of course that definitely helps. But by using specific holds, you can definitely overcome a lack of force.
More over, at that point they were already on the ground in a pinning position. She is not gonna give you that chance. She is a lot more skilled in take downs, so she is pinning YOU down, and your relative superior strength (supposedly) is not helping you.
I do not doubt that I am indeed stronger than Rousey.
I also do not doubt that she is much more skilled would me and would beat me almost always in a fight.
However, my point was, to assume she would beat a fully grown man (not a pipsqueak) 10/10 times is ridiculous.
Probably not as good proportionally, but a lot better than the vast majority on this board and not fodder to her. Do you doubt that?
Pinning someone on the ground is not only about strength. It may look like all you need is brute force, and of course that definitely helps. But by using specific holds, you can definitely overcome a lack of force.
More over, at that point they were already on the ground in a pinning position. She is not gonna give you that chance. She is a lot more skilled in take downs, so she is pinning YOU down, and your relative superior strength (supposedly) is not helping you.
I do not doubt that I am indeed stronger than Rousey.
I also do not doubt that she is much more skilled would me and would beat me almost always in a fight.
However, my point was, to assume she would beat a fully grown man (not a pipsqueak) 10/10 times is ridiculous.
Anyone on the internet... Anyway, I will take your word for it.
I am gonna assume that too.
I came back on that statement, I said 9,5/10. As I already mentioned, any non fictional fighter could potentially go down by a (very) lucky shot by any regular Joe. And on a bad day I see her losing to someone physically superior and with enough MA training to be worth their salt. But that's about it.
Something else I just thought off, is she bloodlusted for this fight? Because UFC and sparring is one thing, but what if this is to the death?
@solarpowered: So your counter to his claim is to call him a liar because his argument is valid and you have no proper comeback? Scarcely a good argument.
Rhonda fights ferociously as well as skillfully. She is strong for a woman her size. Imo any man that knows how to throw a proper punch (we'll call it "decent training"), is within the popular size region that you guys seem to be frequenting (6 foot +, 220lbs +) and can fight as ferociously can give her a good fight. In summary: basic training, significant size advantage, and similar bloodlust/motivation is a fair, even fight.
I've gone through 4 years of Karate, but only weigh 160 at 5'10; average build, and have never really fought as hard as her in any friendly sparring, competitive sparring, or street fight. I'd take a nice L.
A lot of it comes down to combat experience. Not sure if you all have seen her last fights, but she's made trained, undefeated or near undefeated, professional fighters look like children. When you get in the heat of the fight, it takes a lot of training to hold composure. So while a lucky punch *could* end it, the odds of you holding composure long and well enough to throw a well aimed and balanced punch are extremely low. The last person she fought specialized in boxing and she didn't even get a good punch off. No one on here has close to the training she had.
I would lose majority of the time. I have a huge weight advantage and I have a pretty stocky and dense build but she has the edge in skill and striking force. I don't have any formal training besides fighting punks and "thugs" in high school as a teenager. My only chance is to try and get a hold of her before she lands a hit in a place where my build doesn't protect me at all. Maybe lift her up and slam her into the ground or something. But if she hits me in the right spot I'm probably done. And from what I've seen of her ferocity, that seems like a very likely outcome.
On a side note I think people need to be realistic. Yes, skill and training matters to a large extent. But physical traits also have a large effect on the outcome of the fight. Why do you think there are weight classes to begin with? To write either Rousey or anyone else off without a reason JUST because she's an MMA fighter seems very unintelligent.
On a side note I think people need to be realistic. Yes, skill and training matters to a large extent. But physical traits also have a large effect on the outcome of the fight. Why do you think there are weight classes to begin with?
Because when you deal with people with comparable skill, or at least those who can train to be professionals, weight does matter a lot. Someone who is barely less skilled than Rousey but 50 pounds heavier has a distinct advantage.
If you put a 250 pound guy who never fought in his life against Rousey, she lays the smack down.
A 500 pound guy build like an oxe is probably not going down no matter how Rousey plays it. He will just be too strong for her.
Cyborg is gonna end all of the Rousey hype if they ever fight.
I remember the Gina Carano hype before she ran into Cyborg.
I like how when it's a female fighter everyone says how much they bench and say the physical advantage they have is too much because of how big they are. Replace Rhonda in this thread with Bruce Lee who was also not very big and I'm curious if anyone's answer would change.
Ronda Rousey beat Cat Zingano in 14 seconds. Zingano would drop all of you before yall even knew what happened. Ronda is being wanked? From what I am seeing, the only wanking going on here is some internet warriors that think they can beat a Olymic medalist Judo expert.
Rhonda is a135 lbs UFCmanufactured fighter she is not a Martial Artist so don't wank her like she is!
She is also Whites poster girl who fight hand picked opponents who aren't really up to par.
Any build male will take her down, you might find this hard to believe but she needs strength to overpower someone and their weight. She won't be overpowering any built male around 155 and up.
All of her matches against men are publicity stunts and she would get Toss like a rag doll.
It gets worst if anyone here has some form of MA training.
Also by built I mean your a basketball player, or any other consistent sports player.
Skills does over weight physical stats when the both opponents stats are not so far off however skill doesn't dominate physical stats when the gap is like between heaven and earth tho.
Are we naked.?
That's up to her
@ganon15: )
Oh, I assumed based on the picture.
I'm saying Ronda out of respect but I'm sure she'd break my legs or arms 9 times out of 10.
I'm 6'4 190. She's a professional fighter and I'm not, I think that should take into account for most of this.
Me.
What's your tale of the tape, tbh.
Lol.
I've done training in martial arts and the more skilled ones are all quite lightweight, only the best of the best have both strength and skill. To beat someone far more skilled and also quite strong and agile you need either to be really strong and also quite fast as well as with some skill knowledge or you need to have good balance of both but have superior strength to them. I doubt that many on comicvine are that good. I also doubt there are many more skilled than her here either, as you also need strength to help back it up. As for me, to do well in sparring you mainly need agility and technique, I hit like a wuss but can dodge a while, but I clearly get wrecked after a while.
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