.@shootingnova said:
@fenderek: Why would Yoda lose two rounds in the last fight? He is vastly faster and vastly more skilled, more powerful, stronger, etc. He has virtually every edge.
He quite certainly wouldn't. I do not believe there is any chance for Bane to win any of 10 duels against Yoda in versions 1 and 3. The gap between their mastery of the lightsaber is extreme (I believe it to be pretty obvious), the speed disparity is relatively huge - both in terms of movement speed and reaction speed, in somewhat of a conjunction with agility are shown when unarmed he dodges attacks from Koon, Billaba and Tiin, if someone has doubts about the reaction speed (I can't see such doubts for the rest of my points).
I can only argue that Bane is much more versatile fighter - I've seen this argument once or two times. Yoda's style, tactics, and the whole approach to any situation were simply always depicted as the same, no matter what he faced, while Bane as a whole adopted differently to the circumstances. Still, it doesn't matter much, as Yoda, while his overall approach was always the same, was quite aware of his surroundings, adopting to them, and while he may be straight-forward in his approach, I still can't find Bane able to outsmart him. It is best depicted in "Ambush" episode of TCW, to give an example. And still, it's SW - most of the people have their strict methods and style of solving any combat-related situation. Bane might have been able to outsmart Kas'im, utilize many different methods against mercenaries in DoE, outsmart Zannah in an unarmed fight against her, and many more, but thing is, it doesn't change much, when you have offense and speed good enough to be the best solution for everything, and Yoda is not the one to outsmart easily. So while I understand such a point, it doesn't convince me.
Yoda's speed I mentioned is extreme enough that characters of Obi-Wan and Anakin level are significantly below, as is easy to notice when comparing their feats - they come from the same era and have many showings related to each another. At the same time, thanks to the number of sources depicting Kenobi, one can easily put him very closely around Bane - perhaps even higher, as his extreme reaction speed and ability to defend against thousands of blaster bolts completely surpasses Bane's ability to defend against rain (came only from one direction, and was simply a smaller barrage). Sheer movement and reaction speed of Yoda is something totally above Bane.
Yoda's strength (of course only combat-wise under Force influence, lol) while it may surprise many, is still above Bane, though it's not a gap as huge as in terms of speed. Suffice to say, Yoda was able to keep up with Sidious, who could hold both Maul and Opress in a saberlock at the same time - with Maul in conjunction wirh Opress possessing feats outstripping Bane completely. Yoda did the same against Dooku in a direct bladelock, a person contending with Anakin Skywalker's strength, General Grievous's strength and capable of physically flooring Obi-Wan and Anakin many times (although, judging by the scenes in which it happened, it was more a result of a specific melee technique, with similiar move existing in aikido, when flooring Obi-Wan in TCW Season 6). I do not consider it a ABC logic, because Yoda has only few "direct" strength feats, it's just not in his style to utilize it. I'm including multiple characters that Yoda faced and their multiple opponents, who all have a wide area of feats allowing it to provide a broad approach. However, there are few things to consider. Yoda doesn't use strength itself in any battle, he relies on speed, technique, acrobatics and overwhelming his opponent with them. His technique effects in actually avoiding a direct strength confrontation because of that, as he doesn't meet his opponent head-on in a traditional meaning. His fighting style is straightforward, but the exact nature of his Ataru usage simply disallows any direct strength contests. And in the few moments when it was needed - Yoda could hold his own against mentioned decent beings that I already described.
Bane is certainly no slouch in the Force department. He has a wide range of knowledge, he can direct the Force in many different ways and is outright amazing in this ocean of hundreds of established characters. However, he has no start to Yoda. Yoda has much more precision, control and subtlety, commanding great energy very precisely in direct applications (exluding Control area, affecting speed and strength respectively). His casual defense against Dooku's assaults, Force Disarm of Asajj Ventress, holding a crane second after being mid-combat, levitating an X-Wing (which should count at least 25 tons - even a LEGO real-life model weighed around that), an ability to levitate himself - all tell that. Back to the Control area I mentioned - Yoda's size, his age, his normal reliance on a walking cane when compared to his fighting speed tell everything about a sheer amount of energy he can harness and direct - and in direct usage such as telekinesis he seems equal. Bane's best feats would be choking Qordis (featless, largely unknown) and sending Lehon temple to its fall (decent). He could heavily rely on the Dark Side for a perverted healing and many applications of Force Rage, but I already discussed their physical abilities that would be affected by it. Yoda could work on the energy of Force Lightning of Sidious and Dooku - first outmatching Bane completely, and in case of Dooku being comparable in the worst case. Bane's draining abilities are simply too weak to have any effect on Yoda, and he would need a space and time to properly channel the Force in order to Drain a powerful Jedi, seeing as it required exterior energies when fighting random cultists - and we're talking about the green guy, not even just a powerful Jedi. We also have Yoda capable of projecting Force Light, but he is featless in this regard and I find it hard to believe that he would affect Bane with it. Orbalisks, maybe.
Their sense and mind affection abilities are irrelevant, as they are both too powerful, too strong-willed to succumb to each other. Bane or Yoda would need an outstanding advantage to work on each other this way. Bane's Essence Transfer can't work on a Jedi of Yoda's level and willpower, but this time it's just an overall opinion based on their comparison in any other area.
Orbalisks wouldn't save Bane - he will indeed by outstandingly hard to hit and kill, and we can speculate that it would take Yoda a time to adapt to it and find a weak spot, but it is of no matter - Bane is too inferior to do Yoda any harm, even if orbalisks can save him from being harmed himself. And in fight against someone who can throw so many hits at Bane, he wouldn't be able to just bash through his opponent, forgeting the defense, like he did on Tython - simply because Yoda would still be able to defend himself, and have better way of hitting him even accidentaly in such a barrage of hits. Such a berserk tactic would do him no good, and there is still the Force.
Summarizing finally...
PoD Bane: Yoda 10/10 in a stomp.
RoT Bane: Yoda 9-10/10 in extremely prolonged fights.
DoE Bane: Yoda 10/10 in a decent, awesome, but one-sided duels.
Also - yes, the posts here from 2011 are quite surprising.
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