(Vader won't upload)
Morals off, bloodlust on.
3 hours of prep for both.
Battle takes place on Kashyyyk.
Battle ends in death.
Who wins?
(Vader won't upload)
Morals off, bloodlust on.
3 hours of prep for both.
Battle takes place on Kashyyyk.
Battle ends in death.
Who wins?
Well, I just finished Darth Plagueis (completely, and I read some parts over and over) and I would have to say that while Yoda should certainly win a solid, if not massive majority, it would still take some time, and conversely, Vader would defeat Windu, again it would take some time. It's hard to gauge just exactly how quickly, and especially difficult to say whether Vader would beat Windu faster than Yoda would defeat Plagueis, and vice versa. Honestly, I think Vader should defeat Windu quicker than Yoda would Plagueis more often than not, so Sith team wins in this case.
If the opposite goes: Plagueis beats Windu, Yoda beats Vader. These aren't stomps, but Plagueis is easily defeating Windu, Yoda is most likely defeating Vader. However, I am almost certain Plagueis would win first, hence, the Sith team win once again.
6-8/10 for the Sith.
Well, I just finished Darth Plagueis (completely, and I read some parts over and over) and I would have to say that while Yoda should certainly win a solid, if not massive majority, it would still take some time, and conversely, Vader would defeat Windu, again it would take some time. It's hard to gauge just exactly how quickly, and especially difficult to say whether Vader would beat Windu faster than Yoda would defeat Plagueis, and vice versa. Honestly, I think Vader should defeat Windu quicker than Yoda would Plagueis more often than not, so Sith team wins in this case.
If the opposite goes: Plagueis beats Windu, Yoda beats Vader. These aren't stomps, but Plagueis is easily defeating Windu, Yoda is most likely defeating Vader. However, I am almost certain Plagueis would win first, hence, the Sith team win once again.
6-8/10 for the Sith.
Yoda is faster and much more skilled in lightsaber combat. He will easily beat Plagueis. Not a stomp, but easy win. And than he will help Windu beating Vader, if Wind will need help at all.
@jedisupermaster: Yoda has no speed feats that exceed Plagueis. His only edge is skill.
@shootingnova: His acrobatic duels are difficult to follow.
Darth Vader is honestly the weak one here, he is too slow to handle with these guys.
Nonsense. Vader can, and will defeat Mace.
Darth Vader is honestly the weak one here, he is too slow to handle with these guys.
Nonsense. Vader can, and will defeat Mace.
He haven't shown to be on Windu's level, as Anakin possibly but not as cyborg.
Darth Vader is honestly the weak one here, he is too slow to handle with these guys.
Nonsense. Vader can, and will defeat Mace.
He haven't shown to be on Windu's level, as Anakin possibly but not as cyborg.
Yes he has. His Force power vastly outstrips Windu to the point he could rag-doll him if he tried, and his only marginally behind him in terms of pure dueling prowess. Vader's immobility is vastly overblown, as he has dueled equally with someone who's speed feats rival Mace's own, and is certainly more agile.
Darth Vader is honestly the weak one here, he is too slow to handle with these guys.
Nonsense. Vader can, and will defeat Mace.
He haven't shown to be on Windu's level, as Anakin possibly but not as cyborg.
Yes he has. His Force power vastly outstrips Windu to the point he could rag-doll him if he tried, and his only marginally behind him in terms of pure dueling prowess. Vader's immobility is vastly overblown, as he has dueled equally with someone who's speed feats rival Mace's own, and is certainly more agile.
Show me some proof that Vader as a cyborg has ever done something on Windu's level, that guy wiped out a droid army efortlessly without a lightsaber along with lots of other matter feats
Show me some proof that Vader as a cyborg has ever done something on Windu's level, that guy wiped out a droid army efortlessly without a lightsaber along with lots of other matter feats
Which is vastly inconsistent with the rest of his feats. Windu was strained to push an AT-TE off a cliff; Vader has casually crushed TIE Fighters while in the vacuum of space, moments after deflecting blast fire from laser canon. Mace has Force pushed Sora Bulq; Vader rag-dolled someone who knows Time Manipiulation with the Force, and casually threw a Space Shuttle; Mace has taken out an army of, frankly dumb droids without his lightsbaer; Vader has crushed a giant droid that dwarfed him in size with the Force. Mace was unable to lift an miniature landing transports with the Force; Vader has tossed around an Y-Wing and held a TIE Fighter in place while it's Thrusters were in full effect. All of this was done, before Vader received two power upgrades (one in ESB, and another in RotJ).
Mace Force feats are nowhere near as good as Vader, nor is his accolades. They are literally on completely different planes in the Force, and it's not even debatable.
Team one wins BTW. The deciding factor here is Yoda vs Plagueis - whoever wins that will take the W for their team - which I have Yoda winning slightly. Though I'm interested to unleash my case for Plagueis being in Yoda's skill range.
@dccomicsrule2011: IIRC did Windu outrun a blaster bolt in Star Wars Tales which is pretty impressive and he has used his saber so fast other force sensitives saw it as a blur
I'll check tomorrow for some more, havent read tales in a long time
@dccomicsrule2011: I agree with most of what you say but Mace wasn't really strained, he needed time and concentration sure. On the other hand are Vader's feats mostly from comics and we don't know how long a panel lasts (in time), so in the end both did it without real strain but it's debatable in with time frame they did it (we saw Mace's timeframe but not Vader's). I am not saying that Windu can match Vader in Force power because he can't but I isn't a ragdoll either.
Mace would give Vader HELL in a fight and I'm not sure why some are resting on a Vader victory, morals on might mean Vader get's literally disarmed.
I agree with most of what you say but Mace wasn't really strained, he needed time and concentration sure.
Tamato Tomato - Patato, Potato difference, tbh.
On the other hand are Vader's feats mostly from comics and we don't know how long a panel lasts (in time), so in the end both did it without real strain but it's debatable in with time frame they did it (we saw Mace's timeframe but not Vader's).
Yeah, we have seen Vader lift up over a ton of stalactite without straining, or even gesturing for that matter, and crush Flying TIE Fighters while being shot at, I seriously doubt he would be taking a bunch of time giving the situation of the two feats I've mentioned.
I am not saying that Windu can match Vader in Force power because he can't but I isn't a ragdoll eithe
Yeah, no.
Vader would crush Mace with the Force if he inclined to.
I have to agree. Resident Star Wars fans are not getting me to believe Windu loses to Vader. Windu force feats in Legends and Canon more than keep him being Ragdolled, and Windu is IMO faster, and better duelist. Anakin would match do to his physical, and perfection in Form 5. Vader Hybrid form is not that well proven against notable duelist, nor is it good with that clunky cyborg body.
I have to agree. Resident Star Wars fans are not getting me to believe Windu loses to Vader. Windu force feats in Legends and Canon more than keep him being Ragdolled, and Windu is IMO faster, and better duelist. Anakin would match do to his physical, and perfection in Form 5. Vader Hybrid form is not that well proven against notable duelist, nor is it good with that clunky cyborg body.
This post gave me AIDS.
I have to agree. Resident Star Wars fans are not getting me to believe Windu loses to Vader. Windu force feats in Legends and Canon more than keep him being Ragdolled, and Windu is IMO faster, and better duelist. Anakin would match do to his physical, and perfection in Form 5. Vader Hybrid form is not that well proven against notable duelist, nor is it good with that clunky cyborg body.
This post gave me AIDS.
Soon you will die in terminal condition. Very soon now. Remember when I successfully defeated you using RotJ Luke vs Solid Snake in a CaV? That gave you cancer.
@sirfizzwhizzsaid:
Soon you will die in terminal condition.
Probably. I can't take post like Vader hasn't proven his skilled against notable duelist when he has battled both Starkiller, Luke, Galen Marek, and even Jax Pavan.
The doctor said my T-Cell count is like, 120 at this point, don't make it worse old friend. :(
Remember when I successfully defeated you using RotJ Luke vs Solid Snake in a CaV? That gave you cancer.
I didn't even take that matchup serious, tbh. And I was still a garbage debater at that moment. I would kick your teeth in with Cad Bane; a high level Force sensitive isn't even needed.
Probably. I can't take post like Vader hasn't proven his skilled against notable duelist when he has battled both Starkiller, Luke, Galen Marek, and even Jax Pavan.
Well Windu stomped guys like Qui Gon, Grievous, Ventress, Sora Bulq. Matches guys like Dooku, and with his amp in stats able to match Palpatine.
Like wise Anakin is more proven with his body and skill to beat people like Ventress, Barriss, Shak Ti in one game versions at least with the storming of the Temple. He has match people like Obi Wan, Dooku (match many times and beaten), and even Ventress and Dooku together once.
Either way Vader's foes does not IMO compare to the caliber of people like Dooku, Ventress, Quinlon Vos, or the Emperor himself.
Not to mention these accolades.
Nick Gillard : We didn't see Mace fighting yet, but we know that he is second only to Yoda...
- Source : Star Wars Episode II: Action Featurette
Mace is the second most powerful jedi in the order ;
He seems to be second most powerful jedi on the that council, next to Yoda.
- Source : Insider #55
Mace is the only jedi who can be Dooku's equal (except Yoda) ;
Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his (Count Dooku)
equal on neutral ground.
- Yoda: Dark Rendezvous
The doctor said my T-Cell count is like, 120 at this point, don't make it worse old friend. :(
I didn't even take that matchup serious, tbh. And I was still a garbage debater at that moment. I would kick your teethe in with Cad Bane; a high level Force sensitive isn't even needed.
And thats why I never would debate ya on that lol.
Team 1 wins. Yoda can and will outduel Plageuis. Mace and Vader would be a fantastic fight in itself. If Vader starts to get crazy with the force it will likely go his way.
Probably the Jedi or it could go either way assuming if Vader takes out Mace with his power. But Yoda should be enough to win for the Jedi
Not really, Yoda took also time to repell the small objects Dooku threw at him. Was he strained?
Again you do not adress my point, we don't know how lang one panel in a comic takes in time so we assume that Vader has no problem doing these things while in reality Vader could have needed a certain time to pull of the feats. Even if he was fired upon, Maul also took considerable time to move the Eta class shuttle despite being shot at and did it succesfully.
Again Vader has a advantage (something between considerable and great) over Windu in force power and will probably utilise it if needed, but Windu is the better physical fighter (more skilled, faster, more agile).
If it was a strict duel Mace would beat Vader for 7/10 rounds as he's simply more accomplished. It's possible Vader let's himself get out dueled. I don't remember Vader attempting to rag doll the Maul doppelganger when he was on the loosing end of their fight.
Hmm... Yoda is better than anyone on Team 2, but I think Windu would lose to Vader. Not sure about Plagueis, though. Plagueis would win, I think. If it goes like this: Yoda vs Plagueis and Vader vs Windu, Team 1. Vader would, IMO, best Windu, but not before Yoda beats Plagueis. Then Vader dies too quickly and badly. If it goes Yoda vs Vader and Plagueis vs Windu, I think Plagueis would beat Windu just a slight bit before Yoda would beat Vader. Then Yoda gets dogpiled, although he puts up a fight. Still, I say only a 5,5/10 majority can be given for Team 2, as Yoda could beat Vader faster then Plagueis vs Windu. I really am torn apart here.
Can someone give a good breakdown of plagueis? Vader murders Windu, but I am unsure whether Vader with Plagueis is enough against Yoda
Yoda and Windu 10/10 and solidly. Vader is the weak link by far. Swap him with say Tenebrous or Krayt and you've got a more even match.
Vader could hold/beat mace, but plagueis loses to Yoda. Yoda should beat plagueis first, then kill Vader with mace. The first team wins every time
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