Yamamoto vs Hashirama

While being a Huge Naruto Fan I am Also a huge Bleach fan however I Like Naruto more due to the better story and the epicness of a small minority of characters such as Itachi,Madara Nagato and Jiraiya. IMO bleach has a way better character line up and actually takes the time out to really develop their characters unfortunately their story is somewhat lacking which is the reason i like Naruto more but Bleach has the hotter Babes by far. Now moving on from this i will try to stay impartial as possible.

Round 1 Yamamoto without Banki and Hashirama without Sage mode. I am leaning towards Yamamoto without either of their trump cards i think experience will play more of a role here than any other fight and Head Captain has Harashima beat. 7/10

Round 2 Yamamoto with Banki s Hashirama with Sage mode when comparing the two Yamamoto feats are simply not up to snuff when compared Hashirama feats with Sage mode. Hashirama feats with his Sage mode when he is alive will naturally be better than feats he had when he was an Edo because it has been established that Edo tensei cannot unleash the full power of that the person had when they were alive. Hashirama 7/10

ROUND 3 Yamamoto with Bankai vs Edo Hashirama. In this Battle Hashirama is weaker then he would have be at in Battle two but the only way to stop him is to seal which makes Captain Yamamoto's job harder since death ko are highly ineffective and can't keep Hashirama down. Hashirama 7.5-8.5/10

R2 Yamamoto with Bankai is litterally untouchable by Hashirama, he's clad in a cloak as hot as the sun. Juha Bach's clone was only kept alive because he had blut vene a durability enhancement that Hashirama and most characters in Naruto lack. Yamamoto's Bankai can also burn anything out of existence and Hashirama cannot defend against that.

R3 Yamamoto is a soul reaper with extreme knowledge of Kido, putting down a zombie is not a problem for him and even if he wasn't a soul reaper and wasn't a kido master his Bankai still can burn Edo Hashirama out of existence.

Yamamoto's Bankai burns anything out of existence yet Juha Bach and Sternritter A are alive. Another thing remind me how captain Yama died again if he is op and untouchable.

Juha Bach conviniently had an exact clone of him to throw at Yamamoto to complete gage his powers and wear him out and as soon as Yamamoto actually encountered Juha Bach his Bankai was stolen thus making him touchable lol. Also Yhawch is basically the only character that can out hax Aizen at this point so even in a fair fight Yamamoto might actually lose. Come on dude, at least go back and read the fight or something.

Yama

ikr. Insert a god. A clone. Wear out old man Yama. Steal Bankai. GG. Sounds like an actual plan to me. Though even in a fair fight, assuming the nine years of dormancy had passed, Juuha Bach would still win. If not, Yama just MAY be able to beat Yhwatch in a straight fight.

rehashing the same argument doesn't make it right. i already pointed to you on how those 50 or so bijuudamas didn't even remotely look like they detonated on impact. how can you use that argument again ?

yama will incinerate that golem accordingly because there is nothing in the naruto universe that can prevent such level of disintegration. myoujin mon is a point but it's not going to be easy to capture that. yama can break that myoujin mon if he had to unless you are going to tell me seals like that are invulnerable. look what obito did to it ?

irrelevant comparison. obito isn't in this fight

The passive burning has not even harmed fodder in soul society.

Also, Yama does not need Hashirama to come close. As I said, its passively burning everything, even Hashirama's soul.

The passive burning is obscenely slow, even fodder present did not feel anything but 'dryness'. Hashirama can keep going for the day, yamamoto is the first to burn out. So it's a loss for him either way.

Also, hashirama doesn't need to come close to begin with. He's a long range fighter. Bankai yamamoto has small range and AOE, he actually has to close the gap, in which he'll be facing mountain++ barrage to the face.

That's a non - bankai showing, which is vastly outclassed by what madara could casually dish out.

Yamamoto's shikai is not even a factor at this level. He's going to use bankai, which has it's own reasons for loss.

Yamamoto's bankai sacrifices AOE for potency, literally all of his flames are concentrated. This is how much damage one bankai slash causes:

One slash like that is nowhere near enough to take down any of hashirama's constructs. Yes, he will burn that much area just fine. But that isn't the only thing he has to burn.

How is he going to burn all of that before he gets turned into a paste?

Hitsugaya's Bankai freezes at absolute zero and below.

Since when?

You are also underestimating Yamaji's ability to cast Kido, Hado and Bakudo. One of the simplest shinigami skills is a binding spell that can restrict movement. And Hashirama possess no spiritual feats to say he can resist attacks like that.

Yamaji has no extra ordinary showings of kido/Hado/Bakudo to begin with. What he showed is not even a threat here.

He has to block the punches it throws, at the very least, otherwise he'll be smashed to a pulp. Yamamoto hasn't really done anything saying he can burn a multimountain+ barrage instantly.

obito broke that seal and with yamamoto's strength, the seal is going to be broken. either way, hashi going a sealing on him is not going to be easy peasy.

Uh, how? Obito is leagues beyond yamamoto powerwise.

yhwach did say that then yamamoto went to bankai mode afterwards only for yhwach to steal it and before yamamoto dies on his own bankai, hashirama is going to die first.

Yep, he did. Not just that, if he keeps up the bankai, he dies. So he'll have to burn through hashirama's massive defenses, and considering the sheer amount hashirama has, plus the barrage he unleashes, he doesn't have nearly enough time.

Not just that, there's the clone - foolery. Something which is IC for hashirama and IC for yamamoto to fall for..

@princearagorn1: You've disregarded many proportions in your argument.

- Speed
- Shunpo

Hashirama's techniques are vast, big. Yamamoto is faster than Hashirama is. He does not need to tank anything. He can just *shunpo*sfx*slash* GG. Even if somehow Hashirama can react, he doesn't have any defense whatsoever against the level of heat.

So says the clone that defeated most of the Aces in Soul Society, including Kenpachi. Hashirama with no feat is not winning in this condition

@princearagorn1: how can he be smashed into a pulp by all of those punches when one of the hands of the mega wooden buddha is practically bigger than him ? the kyuubi in susanoo armor might have been a big enough target but madara's position in that armor is almost spotless. yes it remove the armor on his position but the remaining susanno armor is just near madara. yama doesn't need to block all those punches because it's more likely that one or two of those hands is realistically going to connect to yamamoto's position.

obito being leaguewise more powerful to yamamoto is not a point since obito doesn't have the powers yamamoto has. obito doesn't have an armor that can't be touched accordingly at all.

his massive defense is merely butter to yamamoto and its sheer size doesn't negate the potency of that power especially if yama can do that much damage in just one swipe. the clone foolery won't be enough to yama because a.) it's limited to what it can do as opposed to main guy and b.) yama would be able to oneshot said clone.

@lowlaville:

You've disregarded many proportions in your argument.

- Speed

- Shunpo

Hashirama's techniques are vast, big. Yamamoto is faster than Hashirama is. He does not need to tank anything. He can just *shunpo*sfx*slash* GG. Even if somehow Hashirama can react, he doesn't have any defense whatsoever against the level of heat.

Why would hashirama have trouble keeping up with shumpo at all, considering he regularly kept up with madara? If anything, it's a lot slower than what he's used to.

So says the clone that defeated most of the Aces in Soul Society, including Kenpachi.

You're saying as if that's something impressive, lol. Either way, what other 'aces' did he defeat besides kenpachi?

Hashirama with no feat is not winning in this condition.

It's not like the passive burning actually did anything, even to fodder. Heck, the only thing it did to isane was 'dry throat'.

'No feats'? Not sure what you're trying to say here. The man was literally inside a bijuu bomb explosion, and came out just fine.

There's no reason why he couldn't just regenerate from the supposed passive burning effect either way.

How is that even an argument? The very reason he'll be smashed into a pulp is because the arms are of bigger than he is.

the kyuubi in susanoo armor might have been a big enough target but madara's position in that armor is almost spotless. yes it remove the armor on his position but the remaining susanno armor is just near madara.

With kyubi, and the bijuu bomb blockade, hashirama had to hit with all arms. Here, he can chill out and use one arm at a time. Yamamoto is the one burning out either way.

yama doesn't need to block all those punches because it's more likely that one or two of those hands is realistically going to connect to yamamoto's position.

He still has to burn through the arm coming at him before it hits him, then the next one.. and hashirama isn't the one short on material or time.

obito being leaguewise more powerful to yamamoto is not a point since obito doesn't have the powers yamamoto has.

It was in reply to: "obito broke that seal and with yamamoto's strength, the seal is going to be broken". If anything, the argument works in reverse.

obito doesn't have an armor that can't be touched accordingly at all.

Uh, off topic, but he kind of does?

his massive defense is merely butter to yamamoto and its sheer size doesn't negate the potency of that power especially if yama can do that much damage in just one swipe.

Size doesn't negate potency, nor does potency negate size. Both are equally important. Yamamoto has to go through wood capable of taking bijuu bombs - something that vaporizes solid stone, multimountain loads of it. Sadly for him, he cannot even cover one person in a go.

the clone foolery won't be enough to yama because a.) it's limited to what it can do as opposed to main guy and b.) yama would be able to oneshot said clone.

Actually, hashirama is capable of creating clones that are practically indistinguishable.

@princearagorn1: Umm... as far as I know. Hashirama do not come back from ashes. And do note Yama is all about spirit level damage.

@lowlaville:

Umm... as far as I know. Hashirama do not come back from ashes.

For one, the passive burning hasn't even burned fodder like isane, though she was definitely within range. For two, it hasn't shown the speed to overcome senju dna's regeneration either - considering it practically heals lethal wounds in little to no time.

And do note Yama is all about spirit level damage

Chakra is spiritual energy in part.. Assuming he is only burning the spiritual energy like you say, hashirama has enough to last the day. Yamamoto, on the other hand, is going to burn himself up.

@princearagorn1: What about his soul?

The quincy souls were just fine, and they're just humans with high spirit energy. Not like they carry around extra souls or anything.

blut vene.....

Basically spirit energy flowing through blood/body. I'll see blut vene and raise you sage mode. :p

fair point. xD Sage mode does raise the users durability exponentially... and now that you mention it... Naruto was in sage mode when he kicked the gudou dama.

If I recall right, it was the so6p chakra that allowed him to kick the gudo dama. Tobirama mentioned it when sasuke touched madara's pole without problem :p

Sasuke got a different half of so6p chakra, the eye power that allows you to do exactly that. What Naruto got was the chakra, the Senjutsu of the Six paths, combined with the nine chakra natures, the ability to cast all jutsu.

Not the point, if you look carefully, you will notice Naruto is in Sage mode (and not in so6p mode) when he kicked the gudou dama.

@lowlaville:

Amatarasengan=amaterasu + rasenshuriken (which is cellular level)

Yama doesnt burn at atomic level, thats fan-wank on ur part. [prove it].

Ur 2nd statement is debunked by the fact that when tobirama killed izuna, izuna saw the ftg marking on the kunai (with sharingan) and still couldnt react to it. Madara reacted to tobiramas FTG despite the attack being from his blind spot (he didnt see it but reacted cuz he sensed it in hashirama's sage mode).

Bee reacted to minato after minato outstripped Ay (dude whos lightning fast). In my opinion bee reacting to FTG was pis and minato also took a liking to him (minato didnt want to kill him). And i say it7 pis cuz bee has been tagged by way less (kisame, sasuke battle of uraikyou, Ay etc)

this is a reply to your post (#143) ON PG 3.

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: Okay, I've done enough anti-wanking, now, it actually is confirmed by science that Yamamoto's West ability and East ability would destroy things on an atomic level. At that temperature no known materials can exist as regular matter. In fact, the electrons get stripped from their nuclei and that would be called plasma.

@princearagorn1: because it is one, especially if that attack is composed of material that is practically weak against yamamoto regardless whether hashi chills out or not.

yes he has to burn the arm coming at him but does it logically makes sense that multiple arms can occupy the same space that burned arm occupied in span of seconds ? yama's size is a detriment as to how that attack won't connect significantly compared to the kyuubi

you did first compare obito to yamamoto and no, obito's armor can be "touched" with senjutsu, unlike yama.

again the bijuu bombs didn't explode on contact to the hands because it negated those bombs to a point. the scan would have shown multiple explosions that are more or less on the same level that first bijuudama with susanoo sword showed. yama's bankai would have better reaction to that.

my point on the clones is that they are limited to what they can do, not look the same. kakashi full explains the drawbacks of creating another clone and while hashi has a big amount of chakra, it wouldn't make sense that he will pour enough chakra on a clone to fight yama on an equal level like he does.

@kyrees:

because it is one, especially if that attack is composed of material that is practically weak against yamamoto regardless whether hashi chills out or not.

yes he has to burn the arm coming at him but does it logically makes sense that multiple arms can occupy the same space that burned arm occupied in span of seconds ? yama's size is a detriment as to how that attack won't connect significantly compared to the kyuubi.

No, the question is, can he burn through the one punching him at high speed before it hits him in the first place? Even if he does, hashirama can keep replacing them for a while.

you did first compare obito to yamamoto and no, obito's armor can be "touched" with senjutsu, unlike yama.

I compared him because he's much faster than yamamoto, and was still captured.

again the bijuu bombs didn't explode on contact to the hands because it negated those bombs to a point. the scan would have shown multiple explosions that are more or less on the same level that first bijuudama with susanoo sword showed. yama's bankai would have better reaction to that.

Bijudama cleaves through whatever material is in front of it, whether they explode on contact or not.

my point on the clones is that they are limited to what they can do, not look the same. kakashi full explains the drawbacks of creating another clone and while hashi has a big amount of chakra, it wouldn't make sense that he will pour enough chakra on a clone to fight yama on an equal level like he does.

Pretty sure madara knows what he's capable of, far more so than genryusai. He actually knew that cloning is a standard fighting technique, unlike yamamoto.

@comicvinepoozer1: Naruwank...ahahahaha what a term naruwank doesn't exist there's just those of us who accept the truth and others who deny it. Simple as that also in my opinion old man Yama is wanked heavily.

@comicvinepoozer1: Proof Juha has Gremmy's powers.

Have you even watched Naruto? Or are you mixing it up with the avatar series? Breathing fire is not the same as manipulating element

Hashirama's Buddha can be cut very easily. Madara slashed off part of the buddha with susanoo sword slash. Yamamoto's bankai can do the same. Hashirama's buddha isn't fast enough to tag Yamamoto. Kurama and susanoo are huge targets compared to Yamamoto

@ikillteammates: @josephgomes619:

You fan based claims hold no water as long as the writer never said yamas bankai is even atomic level.

BUT LETS GO WITH WHAT U SAID USING PHYSICS,

If yama i7 atomic and so are nukes (atomic weapons yet they dont bust mountains) how does yama "easily" destroy 7hinsu senju which tanked 50 biju dama (each biju dama can bust 5 mountains).

JOSEPHGOMES619

Shinsu senju aint mokuton budha ya wanktard, shinsu senju dwarfed mountains in size and tanked 50 biju dama (already explained what a single bijudama does). And it can throw a thousand punche7 at once from different directions. Jubito is faster and has better reaction speed than yama and hashirama tagged him with myojin mon. And b4 u say yama is faster than hashirama again, hashirama has sagemode which gives precog and helped madara react to ftg (tobirama's FTG). Yama will not tag hashirama.

Old man yama

Yamamoto wins if he doesn't get poisoned, attacks a wood clone or if he doesn't allow hashirama heal himself. Hashirama can also defend against yamamoto`s speed with sage mode so it would be up to their powers to determine the winner. I think yamamoto strongest attacks hurt him or take long to prepare unlike hashirama who doesn't even need to use hand signs so maybe hashirama wins.

@so_sophisticated: Hashirama has to hold hands seals and stand still to gather sage energy. Leaving him open for yama to attack. Yama casually slashed 3 sternritters in one go! After he juss burned another one into ash before hand. Equalling in 4 one shots, back to back total! Still ready more! How will old man yama get poisoned?

yamamoto round 1 & 2. if yama knows any sealing kido he wins all 3

Yamam

sigh...Naruto wanking again. I really hate they're fanbase along with they're bad manga. Yamamoto stomps for rounds 2&3 and wins round 1.

Is this a joke post? The average sternritter is next to no challenge for Yamma or Hashi. And no, Hashirama has been shown to enter sage mode almost instantaneously.

Ikr, nearly as bad as Bleach wankers.

Neither of them are stomping either round.

*looks around*

Nope.

*leaves*

@girugamesh: No joke.... Naruto chapter 621 says otherwise! Hashi gets one shot by As nodt or Bazz B! So, it only makes sense that Bleach chapter 504 page 18 will be hashirama's outcome!

Spite thread Yamamoto omega godstomp this like saying sailor moon can beat superman cause she can slightly reality warp lol

nope.

@thekillerklok: he a troll, don't mind him.

I am actually just now noticing that this isn't the Yammy vs espada thread.

I was wondering why people where talking about hashirama lol.

Still Yamamoto all rounds espically sage vs bankai hashirama die in what like 0.2 seconds ha

Bleach wanker? LMFAO Just the other day I was called an OPtard.

Yamamoto wins all rounds unless if it's Edo Hashirama in which he wins since he can regenerate.

@champion99: Most the naruto fandom on this site is a bit ridiculous! I mean I've seens some OP wanks that were crazy! But, never to the extent of the naruto wank! Hashi has zero or close to no durability feats. Yet, he tanks yamma's fire? Or his wood beats fire? Like, where they do that at? Lol

Yammy is basically a Sun.. you really wanna match a "wood" based character with that..?

IKR, right? They think of the dumbest things.