Yamamoto vs Hashirama

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@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: the fact that your argument comes up to sealing is lowballing yamamoto.

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@lowlaville:

where did u get that crap.

@kyrees:

Doesnt change the fact that hashi can seal yama.

What crap? My post has nothing to do with princearagorn's.

Like I said, Hashirama cannot seal Yamamato. Are you going to counter my post or just dodge?

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n said:

@themagikstick:

the earth would beat the sun if it were a hundred times 7maller than the earth.

stop ignoring the durability of hashiramas golems. and the fact that myoujin mon is a sealing technique not wood release. and yama cant break it.

Hashirama cannot seal a Bankai. Naruto seals (except edo tensei seals) are primarily designed to seal chakra and physical constructs for various purposes. As far as I know, Hashirama cannot use Shiki Fuujin (even then I highly doubt it can contain something of the power of Ryuujin Jyakka because its the embodiment of the sun itself).

Myoujin mon drains and seals chakra. Its not going to be effective against Yamamoto.

There. If you can't reply, then I'm through. Proved my case. lol

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#103  Edited By lowlaville

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n said:

@lowlaville:

where did u get that crap.

@kyrees:

Doesnt change the fact that hashi can seal yama.

Buddy there is no seal that Hashirama has ever used that could be used to seal Yamamoto. Conversely there are a number of Kido that Yamamoto is proficient with that he could seal Hashirama with.

Exactly. While Hashirama cannot seal Yamamato, Yamamato, being a Shinigami can just remove Hashirama's soul. XD Be done with it like a boss.

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@themagikstick:

the earth would beat the sun if it were a hundred times 7maller than the earth.

stop ignoring the durability of hashiramas golems. and the fact that myoujin mon is a sealing technique not wood release. and yama cant break it.

1. No it wouldn't.

2. An attack that would destroy an area several times the size of Karakura town is as large if not bigger than Hashirama's statue not 100 times smaller...

3. Multiple of Hashirama's statues arm's were destroyed for every Bijuu bomb that touched them, the statue was not very durable, just big.

4. Yamamoto has sealing tech that would in fact work on Hashirama when none of Hashirama's sealing abilities have any reason to work on Yamamoto.....

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@kyrees:

all we had on yama's bankai was it was already affecting soul society in the instant it appeared. if it lasted longer, the damage would have been greater. the fact that "yhwach" claimed that his blut vene was keeping him safe is an indication of that potency.

'If it lasted longer'. Exactly. He needs time, which he doesn't have with a wood barrage.

i am not dispelling the fact that yama can be captured with it but with battle hardened character like yamamoto, it really won't be that easy.

It's not like hashirama is new to battles either. And the juubi jinchuriki have much better stats than yamamoto, it's more difficult to capture them.

the exact limits of yamamoto's bankai has not been established but given that its sheer potency is evident on just one strike and appearance, the AOE factor becomes moot.

Uh. How exactly does the AOE factor become moot? He can incinerate whatever he covers, but he can't cover all of what hashirama unleashes at once.

yamamoto sealed his bankai to stop the destruction of soul society from his bankai. he was not visibly exhausted after that fight

looks pretty exhausted to me:

Bleach 509 - Page 17

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@themagikstick:

ten tails>>>>yama. and myoujin mon sealed him. Unless xou want to claim that yama is stronger than tentails. Which would be dumb.

When did yama ever use a sealing tech cuz i dont remember that. Its an assumption that yama can u7e sealing techs.

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#107  Edited By kyrees

@princearagorn1: a wood barrage that he is just going to slice up accordingly or evade.

the juubi jinchuuriki was also very big and can't evade those seals.

the AOE becomes moot because of how it instantly erases anything. if there was actual remnants to what it burned, the AOE argument would been stronger.

a slouching position is no indication that he is exhausted.

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@themagikstick:

ten tails>>>>yama. and myoujin mon sealed him. Unless xou want to claim that yama is stronger than tentails. Which would be dumb.

When did yama ever use a sealing tech cuz i dont remember that. Its an assumption that yama can u7e sealing techs.

Not the point. Ten tails = Chakra. Yamamato = Reitsu/Reryoku (Spiritual energy). Hashirama has never used a spirit sealing technique to name. Using ABC logic here is void as both elements in comparison has no correlation.

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@princearagorn1: Let me say something...

Wood is in no way more durable than spirit particles. All the water in soul society disappeared, as noted by Hitsugaya, who lost his Bankai as a mere side effect.

Once, and if Yamamoto goes Bankai, Hashirama cant get close and would end up burning. All his techniques are passively burning. His soul will also be burning.

Quincies did not burn due to their blut vene, Captains and others due to the spirit cloths they wore. Even the fake Juuha Bach only survived that close to Yama with blut vene. No way Hashirama is lasting that long.

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#110  Edited By TheMagicStik

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n said:

@themagikstick:

ten tails>>>>yama. and myoujin mon sealed him. Unless xou want to claim that yama is stronger than tentails. Which would be dumb.

When did yama ever use a sealing tech cuz i dont remember that. Its an assumption that yama can u7e sealing techs.

For starters Myoujin Mon required set up and coordination from all the hokages combined and constant attention from the first to actually work second it only held down a mindless Juubi when Obito took control he broke it in a second. The tech would never work on Yamamoto because he can't summon it against him because he doesnt have help or prep and he will be pressed by Yamamoto constantly, because Yamamoto is too fast, and because Yamamoto could break it just like the Juubi.

Yamamoto litterally taught most of the captains in Soul Society himself how to use Kido, he can use the highest level of Kido without an incantaton, he can definitely use any Bakudo spell, that's not an assumption.

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@themagikstick:

And yama has never killed a human.

Chakra is spiritual and physical energy.

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@themagikstick:

And yama has never killed a human. you see how stupid that logic is?

Chakra is spiritual and physical energy.

Myoujin mon is hashirama's technique not the other kages all they did was to erect a barrier. They had nothing to do with myoujin mon.

Dude...

Jubito>bleachverse.

Yama doe7nt even compare.

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Yamamoto has a lot of wank....hmmmm

Dante vs Yamamoto make it happen someone lol

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Going with Yamamoto on this one

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#115  Edited By PrinceAragorn1

@kyrees said:

@princearagorn1: a wood barrage that he is just going to slice up accordingly or evade.

Considering the amount he can cover in one go, there is no way he can take down the entire barrage before it hits him.

the juubi jinchuuriki was also very big and can't evade those seals.

Very big? How is obito so much bigger than yamamoto? :o

the AOE becomes moot because of how it instantly erases anything. if there was actual remnants to what it burned, the AOE argument would been stronger.

The AOE is required because of the sheer amount he's getting hit by in one go.

(Using him just as an example): Barragan's defense was practically concentrated time. He can age anything anyone can throw at him. But that doesn't mean he can age a multimountain+ barrage at once either.

a slouching position is no indication that he is exhausted.

But the face... well, ok.

Juha bach said he used up his power fighting the duplicate (right before he steals the bankai)

Either way, we know he can't keep it up without the power burning himself to ash, as he stated himself (chapter 508, or I can post the scan)

@princearagorn1: Let me say something...

Wood is in no way more durable than spirit particles.

Hashirama's wood has caught bijuu bombs before (against madara). Of course it is more durable than spirit particles.

All the water in soul society disappeared, as noted by Hitsugaya, who lost his Bankai as a mere side effect.

It was disappearing, 'little by little'.

Once, and if Yamamoto goes Bankai, Hashirama cant get close and would end up burning. All his techniques are passively burning. His soul will also be burning.

Quincies did not burn due to their blut vene, Captains and others due to the spirit cloths they wore. Even the fake Juuha Bach only survived that close to Yama with blut vene. No way Hashirama is lasting that long.

He doesn't need to get close, considering he fights from long range with the wood.

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@vintage_spiderman: ummm no he doesn't

Just because you like to Naruwank doesn't mean Yamamoto is being wanked here this actually a close match

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@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: did you just say Juubito could solo the whole Bleachverse?

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#118  Edited By A1l_S2a3m4E5N

@comicvinepoozer1:

Is there anyone in the bleach verse who can face jubito one on one.

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@princearagorn1: yama doesn't need to block all of it. due to how big mega wooden buddha is, it's more likely that yama will carve a way through that barrage with his bankai. the crevice his bankai burned was very big for such a small amount of movement. yama's size is also an advantage against the mega wooden buddha since it would be physically impossible for all those punches to hit yamamoto.

obito broke that seal and with yamamoto's strength, the seal is going to be broken. either way, hashi going a sealing on him is not going to be easy peasy.

yhwach did say that then yamamoto went to bankai mode afterwards only for yhwach to steal it and before yamamoto dies on his own bankai, hashirama is going to die first.

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@comicvinepoozer1:

I meant knw one in the bleach verse could take him one on one.

Is there anyone in the bleach verse who can face jubito one on one.

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@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: ok I get you know

And only probably Juhabach or that ichiba guy other than that no

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@princearagorn1: Hashirama's techniques don't have any defense against Gudou Dama and total obliteration. Yama's Bankai does this.

Also, Yama does not need Hashirama to come close. As I said, its passively burning everything, even Hashirama's soul.

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@comicvinepoozer1:

Wait... LOL, you thought i meant hed fight them all at once?

Dude...

On a serious note can those guys you mentioned win?

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I thought it was something like this

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@lowlaville: @kyrees:

Biju dama obliterates mountains and hashis golem tanked about 50 of those (each one being able to bust 5 mountains), enough destructive force to bust 250 mountains.

Yama would have myoujin mon to worry about. he wont passively burn hashi's golems thanks to their durability.

Yama aint breaking myoujin mon.

Obito>>>>yama. (huge margin).

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@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: yea

Ichiba has the power to turn him into an ant (not an actual any just the physical capabilities and powers of an ant)

Juhabach has the power to see the future and all the powers of a sternritter including gremmy

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@lowlaville: @kyrees:

Biju dama obliterates mountains and hashis golem tanked about 50 of those (each one being able to bust 5 mountains), enough destructive force to bust 250 mountains.

Yama would have myoujin mon to worry about. he wont passively burn hashi's golems thanks to their durability.

Yama aint breaking myoujin mon.

Obito>>>>yama. (huge margin).

- Obliterating mountains does not equal molecular disintegration. Hashirama or any of his wood constructs have no feats that resists on this level.

- Yama's Bankai vaporizes everything very very slowly passively. The Myoujin Mon can come charging at Yama, but gets obliterated with a touch, as Yama did a portion of the ground. Plus, there's Yama's coat to worry about. Nothing is getting close to Yama without burning out of existence in 20mil degree heat.

- One slash of the Bankai is enough.

Again with your ABC logic. Its falsified on the ground level. Myoujin Mon does not affect Yama in the slightest.

Your mistake is assuming AOE damage = piercing / total annihilation damage. Take the example of an armor piercing bullet and a granade. A granade will not go through tank armor, but the bullet will. Same scenerio. Only, Yama is faster than Nine tails with Shunpo, is small, and will obliterate it with but a flick of his sword.

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Yamaji just using a normal slash to deal with a monsnter standing over a city.

Hitsugaya's Bankai freezes at absolute zero and below. Yama's bankai cancelled it out as a mereside effect. You are also underestimating Yamaji's ability to cast Kido, Hado and Bakudo. One of the simplest shinigami skills is a binding spell that can restrict movement. And Hashirama possess no spiritual feats to say he can resist attacks like that.

Hashirama is simply outclassed here.

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@lowlaville:

when did yama ever destroy something this big hashirama ha7 sage mode with which madara countered tobiramas ftg.

One slash?

Wank much?...

Myoujin mon will work on yama cuz it worked on jubito and destructive power had no effect on it whatsoever.

AND CHAKRA=physical and spiritual energy (which is what reiatsu is).

Yama would have to tag hashirama to beat him.

And shinsu senju>>>>>>>ur giant monster.

HASHI has mokuton kawarimi which can repla2e him with a piece of wood in case hes bound or tagged. a basic genin level skill. Yama will lose.

A tank is only penetrated by rapid fire of bullets on the same exact spot. Ie they hit the tank on that spot over 50 times b4 it gives way.

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Yamamoto all Rounds.

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@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: knowing the future along with all the sternritters powers including Gremmy reality warp

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@comicvinepoozer1:

Mugen tsukiyomi (mindrape=easy win). gudou/biju dama can bust gremmys meteor. and obito can use rinnegan for izanagi (reality warp).

Higher durability and reaction speed. Rikudou sword with which so6p shaped the earth. (need i go on?)

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@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: higher durability how? Reaction and speed how? Also Ichiba turns him into an ant

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Tanked amatarasengan (flame that burns at cellular level stated to be as hot as the sun by kishimoto) without getting a scratch.

Dude obito reacted to FTG (minato's) and cut off his arm in the same instant.

He also has izanagi (to erase disadvantagous situation from reality), which he can keep u7ing as long as he has chakra (which is immeasurable).

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@comicvinepoozer1:

Tanked amatarasengan (flame that burns at cellular level stated to be as hot as the sun by kishimoto) without getting a scratch. Dude obito reacted to FTG (minato's) and cut off his arm in the same instant. He also has izanagi (to erase disadvantagous situation from reality), which he can keep u7ing as long as he has chakra (which is immeasurable).

And he blitzed sage mode hashirama (whose sage mode madara used to defeat tobiramas FTG) and tobirama (FTG speed level).

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@comicvinepoozer1:

Izanagi does. It warps reality to change anything thats disadvantagous to the caster (In this case obito).

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@comicvinepoozer1:

Tanked amatarasengan (flame that burns at cellular level stated to be as hot as the sun by kishimoto) without getting a scratch. Dude obito reacted to FTG (minato's) and cut off his arm in the same instant. He also has izanagi (to erase disadvantagous situation from reality), which he can keep u7ing as long as he has chakra (which is immeasurable).

And he blitzed sage mode hashirama (whose sage mode madara used to defeat tobiramas FTG) and tobirama (FTG speed level).

Hyberbole

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not sage mode. His reflexes and enhanced powers at that point. Plus, FTG is teleportation, not speed. Anyone can react to FTG as long as they know where its coming from (take example from Bee). Bee evaded or blocked FTG more than twice and countered once.

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@comicvinepoozer1: @lowlaville:

stealing bankai doesnt mean he can steal doujutsu (hed have to pluck out obitos eye).

How is it hype?

Kishi said so and writers words>your post.

You may want to read that chapter again, he absorbed sagemode chakra from hashi.

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@comicvinepoozer1: @lowlaville:

stealing bankai doesnt mean he can steal doujutsu (hed have to pluck out obitos eye).

How is it hype?

Kishi said so and writers words>your post.

You may want to read that chapter again, he absorbed sagemode chakra from hashi.

Not hype. Hyperbole.

a) There is no correlating evidence Amaterasu burns at a cellular level.
b) Yama's Bankai does atomic+ damage. It erases whatever the blade touches without any trace, similar to Gudou dama, resistant to which Hashirama has nevershown.
c) Writers words > Hyperbole unless supported by feats.

I know what he did. What you failed to read is the latter half of my argument.

a) FTG can be reacted to by slower opponents. Bee did. Your argument is > invalid in that regard. FTG is not a measurement of speed. FTG is instant teleportation. It's a space-time technique. It can be dodged, blocked, evaded or countered if the target knows where the user is coming from.

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@juzacloud: Did you seriously just say that concussive force would be incinerated?

I'd like to see this equation on how the kinetic energy of a substance can be completely nullified due to heating it up. As far as I'm aware, what you just said was bullshit of the highest order.

Funny how you accuse other people of making shit up.

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@juzacloud: Did you seriously just say that concussive force would be incinerated?

I'd like to see this equation on how the kinetic energy of a substance can be completely nullified due to heating it up. As far as I'm aware, what you just said was bullshit of the highest order.

Funny how you accuse other people of making shit up.

You know exactly what I meant. Don't come to me with your half baked responses. An object that has been incinerated has no force. Funny how you can't understand post. Also, how about you ask me what I meant if you didn't understand what I was saying.

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@juzacloud: You know you're wrong about "an object that has been incinerated has no force" right? Pray tell, where does its kinetic energy go? It's certainly not cancelled out by the heat, and you certainly didn't remove matter from existence, you only changed its state with the intense heat. So basically, you continue to spout bullshit while insulting others. Classy.

I knew exactly what you were trying to say, and you're still wrong. How bout you go back to high school sophomore physics class before you come in here and insult people?

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@juzacloud: You know you're wrong about "an object that has been incinerated has no force" right? Pray tell, where does its kinetic energy go? It's certainly not cancelled out by the heat, and you certainly didn't remove matter from existence, you only changed its state with the intense heat. So basically, you continue to spout bullshit while insulting others. Classy.

I knew exactly what you were trying to say, and you're still wrong. How bout you go back to high school sophomore physics class before you come in here and insult people?

You're so damn predictable. I knew you were about to go on and on like a broken record. You're so mad, you felt I insulted someone. High school this, go back to school that. blah blah blah. You bore me. I'll leave you with this..... what happened to all the force behind superman punch when he stopped it at the guys face and told him "that punch had enough force to destroy the earth"? just something for you to think about cupcake.

Oh and I won't be reading your response EVER because I'm not about to debate with someone who already showing signs of a vendetta . you can bank on it.

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#148  Edited By IKillTeammates

@juzacloud: Who gives a shit about Superman, maybe that comic book violated the laws of physics? You didn't even give any information to go off on anyways. We're talking about Yamamoto and Hashirama and you're trying to insult peoples' actual knowledge of physics when you yourself don't know shit about it.

Who said anything about a vendetta? I just met you. I have twelve posts. My first response to you matched the exact amount of rudeness that you showed to whoever you were responding to you massive fucking hypocrite. Holy shit. This is just a convenient excuse for you to avoid responding.

I'll tell you what would happen. If Yamamoto was capable of incinerated it fast enough, it would turn into superheated gas or plasma and still hit him with all the force it had before. Before you say "lolair causes damage" you should know that nuclear bomb blasts can cause air based shockwaves that liquify matter close to it and still break windows hundreds of miles away. If you want examples from the manga we have Might Gai and Ichigo destroying mountains with these very same air shockwaves. And a plasma shockwave isn't just going to hit him with force, it's going to hit him with the energy that his bankai gave it in terms of heat as well.

now, before you make yourself look like a complete idiot, gtfo this thread with your wild claims.

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@ikillteammates: I'd advice you to calm down... read the rules, and don't insult others (even if they are). Its better to walk away from a confrontation.

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