Yamamoto vs Hashirama

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@themagicstik: @kyrees:

What princearagorn1 said.

Plus yamas edge in speed becomes useless due to hashiramas sage mode (which allowed madara to counter tobiramas FTG unscathed) and regen (which >>>tsunades byakugou no in ). And hashiramas shinsu senju dwarfed mountains (plural). How does yama vapourize something that big, which has thousand arms, whi2h tanked susano sword enhanced barrage (about 50 biju dama, each capable of busting 5 mountains. Nukes cant bust 1mountain). How does he (yama) deal with this before getting seal by Hashirama "shinobi no kami".

Ps. Round 3 is spite.

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@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: Yama still wins

He has no counter to him just bringing back whoever he wants from the dead or just destroying his soul with a punch or just taking all his wood constructs out of creation and proceeding to kill him

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Round 1 old man yammamoto for the solid majority. more output elemental advantage h2h advantage and massive array of kido

round2 old man yammamoto again this time harsly

round 3 close i want to say the old man but this really comes down to endurence who can keep up the battle the

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@comicvinepoozer1:

Hashirama can seal them.

O_- you did read my previous post as well as princearagorn1's right?

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@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: he is not sealing millions of souls including that guy that has Juhabach powers.

But I know what I say is futile

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This is a bad matchup for Hashirama

Hashirama kekkei genkai is wood release which is a combo of earth and water release. Yamamoto's bankai burns up water even in the atmosphere. Hashirama's wooden buddha can't survive Yamamoto's bankai slash. Bleach characters have better speed feats overall. Hashirama doesn't even use speed in battles, if he thinks Yamamoto's fire is the same as Madara's katon, Hashirama will be barbecued

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I don't know either of these characters, but one of their names looks like Hiroshima so he gets nuked

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@jeepeh: Yeah you are...you know what the temperature at the center of nuclear bombs reach? It's somewhere close to that temp. So why the HELL aren't we all dead seeing as they've tested dozens of thermonuclear weapons around the world?

Probably because it only exists for a very small amount of time.

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#60  Edited By kyrees

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: while the speed is contestable, regen isn't. hashirama is not going to regen extreme vaporization unless you can prove that to me but then again, he had to shield himself against an exploding bijuudama in the anime, not tank it face on.

the time he summons that mega wooden buddha, yamamoto would have already bifurcated him. this is a shinigami who has mastered flash steps and is easily faster than most naruto characters and assuming that he can summon it, his attacks are already potent enough to burn through that mega wooden buddha easily that it ignores the size of that thing.

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Yamamoto wins all rounds easily.

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@kyrees: @comicvinepoozer1: @themagikstick:

hashirama has sage mode (which madara used to counter tobhramas ftg) the sagemode gves him pre cog as well as golem7 that can tank 50 of the kyubis bijudama. As well as a golem that can control 5 elements. Yama cant maintain bankai 3or too long while hashirama can fight using shinsu senju for a whole day.

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#64  Edited By kyrees

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: that sage mode is not going to protect him from yamamoto's speed and firepower because of the sheer difference in it. i already proved hashirama didn't tank those bijuudamas and a golem that can do 5 elements is useless to someone who can vaporise you with a sword slash and has an armor of fire that is as hot as the sun.

yama can't maintain bankai ?! what kind of bleach fanfiction are you reading ? canon yama has no problem maintaining it and the only problem to it was that it is so powerful, it can harm yamamoto as well and as well as everything within soul society's area if it lasted too long. hashirama would die first for that before yamamoto does.

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#65  Edited By PrinceAragorn1
@kyrees said:

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: while the speed is contestable, regen isn't. hashirama is not going to regen extreme vaporization unless you can prove that to me but then again, he had to shield himself against an exploding bijuudama in the anime, not tank it face on.

Regen isn't contestable, really. Yamamoto has zero feats of regen. Senju DNA can regenerate about a third of the body including vitals almost instantly.

the time he summons that mega wooden buddha, yamamoto would have already bifurcated him. this is a shinigami who has mastered flash steps and is easily faster than most naruto characters and assuming that he can summon it, his attacks are already potent enough to burn through that mega wooden buddha easily that it ignores the size of that thing.

Hashirama is not 'most naruto characters' to begin with. He is fast enough to react to madara and outrun bijuu bombs, yamamoto's speed isn't going to be a problem. Yamamoto's bankai is potent enough to burn through hashirama's defense, but it does not have the AOE to take him down.

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@princearagorn1: my point on regen was hashirama, not on yamamoto.

yes, speed is contestable but yamamoto's firepower is potent enough to ignore the size of his target (he did create that big incineration crack with a simple blade point). while mega wooden buddha is very big, it's not going to break through yamamoto's fire armor.

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@kyrees:

his shinsu senju tanked the barage of biju dama that madara boosted with susano sword (making them imposible to catch. Madara already said this bfore when he fired the first one that hashirama redirected using sanju rashoumon (changed the bhju damas trajaectory).

Yama cant stay in bankai for long (it damages his bod). While hashirama can stay on shinsu senju in sage mode for a whole day.

Yama is not fast as tobiramas FTG which madara used hashiramas sagemode to counter and defeat.

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@kyrees said:

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: while the speed is contestable, regen isn't. hashirama is not going to regen extreme vaporization unless you can prove that to me but then again, he had to shield himself against an exploding bijuudama in the anime, not tank it face on.

Regen isn't contestable, really. Yamamoto has zero feats of regen. Senju DNA can regenerate about a third of the body including vitals almost instantly.

the time he summons that mega wooden buddha, yamamoto would have already bifurcated him. this is a shinigami who has mastered flash steps and is easily faster than most naruto characters and assuming that he can summon it, his attacks are already potent enough to burn through that mega wooden buddha easily that it ignores the size of that thing.

Hashirama is not 'most naruto characters' to begin with. He is fast enough to react to madara and outrun bijuu bombs, yamamoto's speed isn't going to be a problem. Yamamoto's bankai is potent enough to burn through hashirama's defense, but it does not have the AOE to take him down.

There is absolutely NO WAY Hashirama can keep Yamamoto away from him. Sit Hashirama and his wood at the surface of the sun and see what happens instantly. He don't want no parts of that ISH!. I like how you will admit that it would burn through his defenses, but oh no it won't Hashirama. Hashirama doesn't have anything to harm Yam with. and this is constant heat, not a short burst.

Total mismatch of powers. Anybody arguing for Hashi is a straight up naruto wanker for sure.

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@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: the first bijuudama with susano sword exploded after being redirected by rashoumon. the succeeding ones didn't because of hashirama's wood element probably neutralizing the bijuudamas to a point since the explosions would have actually destroyed that mega wooden buddha as well. the sheer number of those bijuudamas points to that conclusion if it weren't for the wood element neutralizing it to a point.

it's irrelevant that hashirama can stay longer on senju mode when yamamoto's bankai will kill him indirectly through exposure or directly through techs. yama stayed long enough in bankai to kill "yhwach" and he is not going to die first on his own bankai before the enemy does.

the speed is contestable.

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@kyrees:

it tanked them due to durablity (manga + data book by kishi support this)

and hashirama can keep up with yamas speed(via sage mode) and even trick yama into killing a clone and then deactivate his bankai only to b killed by hashirama.

Or hashirama seals him with myojin mon (yama wont break that not a chance in hell).

Again the only way to distinguish btw hashirama and his clones is to have madaras sharingan (senrory abilities are useless here).

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#71  Edited By PrinceAragorn1

@juzacloud said:

@princearagorn1 said:
@kyrees said:

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: while the speed is contestable, regen isn't. hashirama is not going to regen extreme vaporization unless you can prove that to me but then again, he had to shield himself against an exploding bijuudama in the anime, not tank it face on.

Regen isn't contestable, really. Yamamoto has zero feats of regen. Senju DNA can regenerate about a third of the body including vitals almost instantly.

the time he summons that mega wooden buddha, yamamoto would have already bifurcated him. this is a shinigami who has mastered flash steps and is easily faster than most naruto characters and assuming that he can summon it, his attacks are already potent enough to burn through that mega wooden buddha easily that it ignores the size of that thing.

Hashirama is not 'most naruto characters' to begin with. He is fast enough to react to madara and outrun bijuu bombs, yamamoto's speed isn't going to be a problem. Yamamoto's bankai is potent enough to burn through hashirama's defense, but it does not have the AOE to take him down.

There is absolutely NO WAY Hashirama can keep Yamamoto away from him. Sit Hashirama and his wood at the surface of the sun and see what happens instantly. He don't want no parts of that ISH!. I like how you will admit that it would burn through his defenses, but oh no it won't Hashirama. Hashirama doesn't have anything to harm Yam with. and this is constant heat, not a short burst.

Yamamoto's fifteen million is focused on his body, and his blade/slashes. Considering one slash takes down a small portion of human body, he'll need far too much time to burn the golem.

His bankai doesn't protect against concussive force to begin with - that's why he actually had to block quincy arrows. The way to harm him is simply punching him with a few thousand hands. Yes, he can burn through them, but that doesn't mean he can burn the force impart.

Total mismatch of powers. Anybody arguing for Hashi is a straight up naruto wanker for sure.

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@juzacloud: I agree Naruto fans are turning into Dbz fans(still love DBZ though

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#74  Edited By JuzaCloud

@princearagorn1 said:

@juzacloud said:

@princearagorn1 said:
@kyrees said:

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: while the speed is contestable, regen isn't. hashirama is not going to regen extreme vaporization unless you can prove that to me but then again, he had to shield himself against an exploding bijuudama in the anime, not tank it face on.

Regen isn't contestable, really. Yamamoto has zero feats of regen. Senju DNA can regenerate about a third of the body including vitals almost instantly.

the time he summons that mega wooden buddha, yamamoto would have already bifurcated him. this is a shinigami who has mastered flash steps and is easily faster than most naruto characters and assuming that he can summon it, his attacks are already potent enough to burn through that mega wooden buddha easily that it ignores the size of that thing.

Hashirama is not 'most naruto characters' to begin with. He is fast enough to react to madara and outrun bijuu bombs, yamamoto's speed isn't going to be a problem. Yamamoto's bankai is potent enough to burn through hashirama's defense, but it does not have the AOE to take him down.

There is absolutely NO WAY Hashirama can keep Yamamoto away from him. Sit Hashirama and his wood at the surface of the sun and see what happens instantly. He don't want no parts of that ISH!. I like how you will admit that it would burn through his defenses, but oh no it won't Hashirama. Hashirama doesn't have anything to harm Yam with. and this is constant heat, not a short burst.

Yamamoto's fifteen million is focused on his body, and his blade/slashes. Considering one slash takes down a small portion of human body, he'll need far too much time to burn the golem.

His bankai doesn't protect against concussive force to begin with - that's why he actually had to block quincy arrows. The way to harm him is simply punching him with a few thousand hands. Yes, he can burn through them, but that doesn't mean he can burn the force impart.

Total mismatch of powers. Anybody arguing for Hashi is a straight up naruto wanker for sure.

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How much time would he need to burn? please tell more your made up calculations. You don't decide how much time it takes when wood would instantly incinerate at the sun surface. So please, due tell me. I love seeing people make up their own beliefs. I've already scoped you out. When it comes to naruto you wank it until your hearts content. throw a little clever cherries on tp and a few people admire your work like the clown above.

Concussive force doesn't mean jack. Would isn't doing ANYTHING to him. The force of the wood would incinerate along with the wood. NEXT!

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@juzacloud: I agree Naruto fans are turning into Dbz fans(still love DBZ though

Yes they are and its sad. I love me some DBZ, but they definitely aren't all powerful. When you start seeing people say things like "it would take far too much time to break the golem" thats your sign right there that their brain would malfunction if their preferred character loses. No evidence, but do you know what is evident? wood would incinerate even before it reached the surface of the sun.

arguing wood vs the sun....I've seen it all

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@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: the scans shows otherwise. are you going to claim that each bijuudamas exploded on each touch of the mega wooden buddha's hands ?!

hashirama would seal his bankai just like yhwach did ? are you really saying yama is going to be stupid to fall on that ?! why are you still harping that yama is going to turn off his bankai for such a stupid event when all pretense for a fight, he will kill a guy regardless of how many clones he has.

myojin mon can do what to a mini sun ?! cute, very cute.

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#77  Edited By josephgomes619

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n said:

@kyrees: @comicvinepoozer1: @themagikstick:

hashirama has sage mode (which madara used to counter tobhramas ftg) the sagemode gves him pre cog as well as golem7 that can tank 50 of the kyubis bijudama. As well as a golem that can control 5 elements. Yama cant maintain bankai 3or too long while hashirama can fight using shinsu senju for a whole day.

This is a straight up lie. Naruto characters don't control elements. They're not element benders from Avatar

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@JuzaCloud: @josephgomes619:

Yamas heat is focused on hi7 body and blade/slashes dude. (nukes attain that temp and dont vapourize mountains) & hashi golem tanked about 50 in which each can vapourize 5 mountains.

and dude whos your physics teacher? you cant burn force.

JOSEPHGOMES:

Then what do naruto tiers do with elements?

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@JuzaCloud: @josephgomes619:

Yamas heat is focused on hi7 body and blade/slashes dude. (nukes attain that temp and dont vapourize mountains) & hashi golem tanked about 50 in which each can vapourize 5 mountains.

and dude whos your physics teacher? you cant burn force.

JOSEPHGOMES:

Then what do naruto tiers do with elements?

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Honestly cannot believe this thread is ongoing. Naruto wankers never give it a rest. Yamamoto was producing city+ sized flames far before we even saw his Bankai, Hashirama cannot block that kind of heat with wood, it's as simple as that. Bankai is massive overkill.

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@TheMagicStik:

Shinsuu senju dwarfed mountains (plural). City+ flames that didnt burn the city.

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@TheMagicStik:

Shinsuu senju dwarfed mountains (plural). City+ flames that didnt burn the city.

................ Umm because Yamamoto blocked them?????? Do people even read? The size of the wood does not matter, it's all going to burn.

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@kyrees:

Its called strategy. The same thing he did to madara he could do to yamamoto (leave a clone to battle until yama is worn out/deactivate his bankai while the real hashi comes out later to deal the killer blow after yama powers down thinking hes won.

Or he simply seals yama with myoujin mon (it withstood a concentrated complete jubi dama and overcame the strength of the ten tails) yama wont break it/burn it, its a fuin jutsu.

And before you start ranting on about yamas bijuu dama having the heat of the sun, nukes attain that temp yet their explosive power + heat arent enough to bust a mountain. A jubi dama is a mountain range destroyer it makes average nukes look like fire crackers in terms of potency and yet myoujin mon didnt break.

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@TheMagicStik:

That doesnt make sense, how did he block flames that you claim engulfed an entire city, and didnt burn the city.

Why am i even arguing this? Kyouraku survived yamas shikai and so did aizen, and they arent on par with shinsu senjus durability (based on attacks theyve tanked).

Yama in bankai never covered an entire city in flames. Its peak temp is confined to his body and zanpakutou/in his sword slashes. The flame doesnt cover that great a distance compared to hashiramas arsenal of golems. Not to mention that hashirama can seal him with "myoujin mon ju tou".

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#85  Edited By kyrees

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: yama can't strategize then ? what's preventing hashirama from taking damage from yama's bankai ? his regeneration ?! what's preventing yama from doing bankai again ? you keep forgetting that yhwach sealed yamamoto's bankai. hashirama can't seal bankai unless you are going to tell me he can

yamamoto would just stand there and let the myoujin hit him ? cute, you just made yamamoto stupid.

it doesn't matter what the scale of the attack is, it's potency of the attack that counts. hashirama's wood element is useless to that and yamamoto is not going to be stupid enough to be tricked into getting sealed with an oversized chakra powered arc. what you said is irrelevant as well.

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@kyrees:

Yama wont be doing bankai again cuz he (yama himself not his bankai would be seal by myoujin mon).

Yes yama will stand there cuz jubito>yama in reaction spd and myojin hit him (it comes from above, you dont see it until it hits you). And yama would be tired from battling a fake hashirama and golems for hours (a day) so he wont be at his peak anymore (just like madara was).

I alreadz stated hashirama can dodge said attacks (sage kata and precog) and fill the battle field with jukai kouin pollen (if yama inhales 4 anx reason hes ko'd) and golems like mokujin which overpowerd perfect 7usano and then kurama at the same time.

Yama would be in for a long and tough fight which hed get sealed.

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@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: you are assuming yama becomes stupid enough to get sealed with a bigass gate because yama will get tired fighting a bunshin that he will more likely oneshot accordingly because of how limited a bunshin can do. you are also assuming yama has limited stamina to fight when evidently, it took a whole lot of damage and "power expenditure" to take him out.

you are assuming yama becomes stupidly weak in this fight. don't do that.

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#89  Edited By TheMagicStik

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n said:

@TheMagicStik:

That doesnt make sense, how did he block flames that you claim engulfed an entire city, and didnt burn the city.

Why am i even arguing this? Kyouraku survived yamas shikai and so did aizen, and they arent on par with shinsu senjus durability (based on attacks theyve tanked).

Yama in bankai never covered an entire city in flames. Its peak temp is confined to his body and zanpakutou/in his sword slashes. The flame doesnt cover that great a distance compared to hashiramas arsenal of golems. Not to mention that hashirama can seal him with "myoujin mon ju tou".

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Yamamoto trained Shunsui and Jushiro himself, do you think he was actually seriously attempting to destroy them???

Aizen specifically developed an Arrancar to specifically counter Yamamotos flames. The one time Aizen encountered Yamamoto's flames in combat was the scan above.

You don't even know what you're talking about. You are seriously trying to say that the flame god is going to lose to the wood master. Do you think Charizard loses to Venesaur? Or more aptly, do you think the SUN would lose to the earth?

Yamamoto is faster, Yamamoto is stronger, Yamamoto is more durable, Yamamoto has thousands of years of combat experience, Yamamoto has more destructive power with Ennetsu Jigoku, Yamamoto has more haxxy abilities with his Bankai/Kido AND he has logical type advantage. HASHIRAMA HAS NOTHING.

That's end of story.

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@kyrees:

He wont see the gates coming. And yes after fighting for a day yama and hashi would be tired. Myoujin mon tagged jubito (a guy fast enough to react to minatos FTG) it will tag yama.

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#91  Edited By kyrees

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: you keep assuming hashirama has enough chakra to keep yama at bay with his bunshin when has to worry about being burned alive in the long run or his bunshin being oneshotted a lot of times. his bunshin won't do anything to yamamoto and it has to be him to fight yamamoto because of how bunshins are limited in chakra to create jutsu

no, you don't do that. a day fighting madara who is less lethal without the kyuubi is not a standard to be used on yamamoto, especially if he's on bankai mode.

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#92  Edited By PrinceAragorn1

How much time would he need to burn? please tell more your made up calculations. You don't decide how much time it takes when wood would instantly incinerate at the sun surface.

What calculations?

One full strike takes out this much

Bleach 509 - Page 16

How is it going to take down a mountain sized arm punching him before it lands?

So please, due tell me.

I suppose you meant say 'do' here. And I already did.

I love seeing people make up their own beliefs. I've already scoped you out. When it comes to naruto you wank it until your hearts content. throw a little clever cherries on tp and a few people admire your work like the clown above.

lol. ok.

Anything relevant to the topic at hand?

Concussive force doesn't mean jack.

Why, Because you say so?

That's not any kind of argument. Heat isn't any kind of counter to force, we have already seen he needs to actually block arrows with his hand.

Bleach 508 - Page 11

Would isn't doing ANYTHING to him. The force of the wood would incinerate along with the wood. NEXT!

Again, it seems you were trying to say 'wood'. He's going to incinerate force? Seems legit.

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@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: yama can't strategize then ? what's preventing hashirama from taking damage from yama's bankai ? his regeneration ?!

The fact that it doesn't cause serious damage to anything not touching him directly.

yamamoto would just stand there and let the myoujin hit him ? cute, you just made yamamoto stupid.

Myojin captured a juubi jinchuriki, someone who outclasses yamamoto in speed.

it doesn't matter what the scale of the attack is, it's potency of the attack that counts. hashirama's wood element is useless to that.

Simply having potency is not enough. You also need the AOE to actually cover the opponent - AOE that genryusai's bankai lacks.

No one is saying he can't burn through the wood. The argument is he can't burn everything attacking him, dozens of mountain sized arms at least, before getting overwhelmed by the force of the hits because he doesn't have the AOE to cover this:

Also - yamamoto's bankai doesn't last for too long. He was extremely tired after the fight, and it will burn himself if he keeps it up. Hashirama can keep going for the entire day.

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@kyrees:

He wont see the gates coming. And yes after fighting for a day yama and hashi would be tired. Myoujin mon tagged jubito (a guy fast enough to react to minatos FTG) it will tag yama.

Precisely. People tend to underestimate Hashirama's speed, when he is the notable superior to the first user of FTG: Tobirama. Even someone far below in ranking reacted to actual lightning, noted to be almost lightspeed. Hashirama is much much faster than kirin could connect.

Having said that, I will give the win to Yama. Because

a: He has Kido, Hado and Bakudo.
b: Physical strength potent enough to destroy souls.
c: Shikai
d: Bankai

Once Yama goes Bankai, Hashirama is not even getting close to Yamamato. Speed is not everything. We have thousands of years of experience on one side.

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@themagikstick:

the earth would beat the sun if it were a hundred times 7maller than the earth.

stop ignoring the durability of hashiramas golems. and the fact that myoujin mon is a sealing technique not wood release. and yama cant break it.

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@themagikstick:

the earth would beat the sun if it were a hundred times 7maller than the earth.

stop ignoring the durability of hashiramas golems. and the fact that myoujin mon is a sealing technique not wood release. and yama cant break it.

Hashirama cannot seal a Bankai. Naruto seals (except edo tensei seals) are primarily designed to seal chakra and physical constructs for various purposes. As far as I know, Hashirama cannot use Shiki Fuujin (even then I highly doubt it can contain something of the power of Ryuujin Jyakka because its the embodiment of the sun itself).

Myoujin mon drains and seals chakra. Its not going to be effective against Yamamoto.

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@princearagorn1: all we had on yama's bankai was it was already affecting soul society in the instant it appeared. if it lasted longer, the damage would have been greater. the fact that "yhwach" claimed that his blut vene was keeping him safe is an indication of that potency.

i am not dispelling the fact that yama can be captured with it but with battle hardened character like yamamoto, it really won't be that easy.

the exact limits of yamamoto's bankai has not been established but given that its sheer potency is evident on just one strike and appearance, the AOE factor becomes moot.

yamamoto sealed his bankai to stop the destruction of soul society from his bankai. he was not visibly exhausted after that fight

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@lowlaville:

where did u get that crap.

@kyrees:

Doesnt change the fact that hashi can seal yama.

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@lowlaville:

where did u get that crap.

@kyrees:

Doesnt change the fact that hashi can seal yama.

Buddy there is no seal that Hashirama has ever used that could be used to seal Yamamoto. Conversely there are a number of Kido that Yamamoto is proficient with that he could seal Hashirama with.