X-Men vs. Superman

"Define X-Men. "

Superman. Even if they try to "mind rape him" he knows a Kryptonian warrior art that allows him to fight on a mental realm. He can basically fight telepaths in short.

None of them can react to Superman's speed. Without CIS to hold Sups back he could, and would take out the X-Men before they could react.

"None of them can react to Superman's speed. Without CIS to hold Sups back he could, and would take out the X-Men before they could react. "

" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @AtPhantom said:

"Define X-Men. "

lol at what hope do they ave :P "

 If they have Jean, Rachel, Emma, Psylocke, and Professor X as part of the lineup, they have plenty of chances.  Bishop and Strong Guy, too. "

"Superman. Even if they try to "mind rape him" he knows a Kryptonian warrior art that allows him to fight on a mental realm. He can basically fight telepaths in short. "

" @Gambler said:

" None of them can react to Superman's speed. Without CIS to hold Sups back he could, and would take out the X-Men before they could react. "

 Northstar. "

" @Gambler said:

"Superman. Even if they try to "mind rape him" he knows a Kryptonian warrior art that allows him to fight on a mental realm. He can basically fight telepaths in short. "

Superman is such a cheap character "

"  Yeah, Northstar barely reaches lightspeed, but that's all that's needed since Superman only reaches FTL speeds in environments without an atmosphere.  So Northstar would be able to keep up with him.  And then there's the fact that Northstar gets more durable the faster he moves, I think he could run with Superman for a moment as a distraction for a team.  But that doesn't matter either since we have no roster, and if we use every person who's ever been on an X-Men team, then this fight would be ridiculously one sided. "

" @ThanosIsMad said:

"  Yeah, Northstar barely reaches lightspeed, but that's all that's needed since Superman only reaches FTL speeds in environments without an atmosphere.  So Northstar would be able to keep up with him.  And then there's the fact that Northstar gets more durable the faster he moves, I think he could run with Superman for a moment as a distraction for a team.  But that doesn't matter either since we have no roster, and if we use every person who's ever been on an X-Men team, then this fight would be ridiculously one sided. "

And that's where the PIS comes in. But since this is a battle thread, Superman isn't restrained or holding back :) So him not going past light speed in Earth's atmosphere PIS has been removed lol. Northstar's durability would amount to wet toilet paper to Superman. Like the post above said, the Phoenix is the only chance the X-Men have. "

" @Gambler said:

" @ThanosIsMad said:

"  Yeah, Northstar barely reaches lightspeed, but that's all that's needed since Superman only reaches FTL speeds in environments without an atmosphere.  So Northstar would be able to keep up with him.  And then there's the fact that Northstar gets more durable the faster he moves, I think he could run with Superman for a moment as a distraction for a team.  But that doesn't matter either since we have no roster, and if we use every person who's ever been on an X-Men team, then this fight would be ridiculously one sided. "

And that's where the PIS comes in. But since this is a battle thread, Superman isn't restrained or holding back :) So him not going past light speed in Earth's atmosphere PIS has been removed lol. Northstar's durability would amount to wet toilet paper to Superman. Like the post above said, the Phoenix is the only chance the X-Men have. "

 Since nothing is defined, I'm going under the assumption that CIS is applied, which means Superman wouldn't exceed light speed.  Otherwise, you're right.  "

 
PIS and CIS

These are terms commonly used on battle forums on other sites and most of us know what they mean. For those who don’t, PIS is “plot induced stupidity” and CIS is “character induced stupidity”. PIS/”jobbing” is when a character loses for the sake of plot despite the fact that they should be able to win. CIS is when a character loses because an aspect of the character (usually a lack of intelligence) gets in his own way. Superman losing to Batman would be PIS is most cases since Superman is perfectly capable of beating Batman in a number of ways before he can react. Sandman losing to Spider-Man is CIS because Sandman isn’t all that smart so Spider-Man, who is less powerful and should be easy to beat, can outsmart him and find victory.

Determining what is done for the plot and what is done because of the characters involved can be hard for some people. Superman is a prime case. In comics, Superman rarely uses his speed offensively. This is done for plot, to prolong the story and make it interesting (though it can also be said that it's a part of his character and not done solely because it benefits the story). In comics, Superman doesn’t kill. He does not spare his enemies because of the plot, he spares them because it’s part of his character not to kill thanks to how he was raised. In battles on the forum we include CIS, but not PIS, so Superman uses his speed but generally doesn’t kill unless otherwise stated. (“Bloodlust”)

This kind of gets into “bad writing”. It’s a term that gets thrown around a lot but one I don’t think always applies. Not every fight where the more powerful/capable character loses is bad writing. Situations can determine the winner just as much as the characters themselves so those should be taken into account before judging if a win “should” have happened or not.

" Jeez you people are dumb these days when I say X-Men i mean the whole f****** team!  If i said only a few memebrs i would of said for example Cyclops, Jean, Rogue vs. Superman. Did i say that? No i said X-men vs. Superman. "

Pheonix.

Whos on this roster