X-Men Vs. Outsiders - Battles

#1 Edited by IZZR (3947 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Vs.

Rules

Battle takes place in the fields outside the Xavier mansion
No prep
No Phoenix, just normal Jean Grey
No BFR
Bloodlusted

#2 Posted by blacharrt (1562 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Um i don't know three of those outsiders, I see black lighting, Geo-Dude, and metamorpho.. i was hoping it was the Grace, thunder, Roy, Dick Rosters... =( I can't call this. But i would love to listen to the arguments.

#3 Posted by cattlebattle (11217 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

I don' think any of the X-Men are equipped to handle Metamorpho/Shift or whatever he calls himself now

#4 Posted by IZZR (3947 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@blacharrt said:

Um i don't know three of those outsiders, I see black lighting, Geo-Dude, and metamorpho.. i was hoping it was the Grace, thunder, Roy, Dick Rosters... =( I can't call this. But i would love to listen to the arguments.

The others are Owlman who is Batmans equal in every single way, Creeper who is smiling in the pic and he is a cross between nightcrawler and beast of X-Men, the lady at the back is Katana who is pretty much like Elektra

#5 Posted by blacharrt (1562 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@IZZR said:

@blacharrt said:
Um i don't know three of those outsiders, I see black lighting, Geo-Dude, and metamorpho.. i was hoping it was the Grace, thunder, Roy, Dick Rosters... =( I can't call this. But i would love to listen to the arguments.
The others are Owlman who is Batmans equal in every single way, Creeper who is smiling in the pic and he is a cross between nightcrawler and beast of X-Men, the lady at the back is Katana who is pretty much like Elektra

Kantana, then i'm familiar with, her sword has the souls of people she has defeated, although when i saw her in Outsiders she had nothing on Elecktra, did she get a bump in powers? Owlman i know from Watcher's comics, he's different from batman but similar. Is this lineup from the new reboot?

#6 Edited by YoungGunna (2439 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Leaning towards the Outsiders... Geo Force could take out the majority of them on his own but Storm and Jean Grey would most likely be there only troubles unless there fighting individually...

#7 Posted by Jake Fury (15962 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Does Jean have the Phoenix?

#8 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (9185 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@IZZR said:

@blacharrt said:

Um i don't know three of those outsiders, I see black lighting, Geo-Dude, and metamorpho.. i was hoping it was the Grace, thunder, Roy, Dick Rosters... =( I can't call this. But i would love to listen to the arguments.
The others are Owlman who is Batmans equal in every single way, Creeper who is smiling in the pic and he is a cross between nightcrawler and beast of X-Men, the lady at the back is Katana who is pretty much like Elektra

since when?

#9 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (9185 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

without prep, Outsiders should take this. Metemorpho could take most of them out by tranforming into some kind of gas.
Wolverine is the only one who wouldnt be knocked out, then they could all gang up on him

#10 Posted by blacharrt (1562 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Avenging-X-Bolt: Although that would normally work, not with storm on the team. Metamorpho would have to play it very smart, with team work he could probably localize his affect in single h2h to KO people, but i don't see it happening on a wide range. So it definitely could work.

#11 Posted by ThanosIsMad (2093 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@IZZR said:

@blacharrt said:
Um i don't know three of those outsiders, I see black lighting, Geo-Dude, and metamorpho.. i was hoping it was the Grace, thunder, Roy, Dick Rosters... =( I can't call this. But i would love to listen to the arguments.
The others are Owlman who is Batmans equal in every single way, Creeper who is smiling in the pic and he is a cross between nightcrawler and beast of X-Men, the lady at the back is Katana who is pretty much like Elektra

Only in terms of detective skills. Intelligence, strength, skill, and strategy wise, he's way below Batman.

Anyway, X-Men win because of Phoenix. If Jean lacks the Phoenix, then the Outsiders win in a close fight due to Colossus ranking significantly lower than Geo-Force in strength.

#12 Posted by blacharrt (1562 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@ThanosIsMad said:

@IZZR said:
@blacharrt said:
Um i don't know three of those outsiders, I see black lighting, Geo-Dude, and metamorpho.. i was hoping it was the Grace, thunder, Roy, Dick Rosters... =( I can't call this. But i would love to listen to the arguments.
The others are Owlman who is Batmans equal in every single way, Creeper who is smiling in the pic and he is a cross between nightcrawler and beast of X-Men, the lady at the back is Katana who is pretty much like Elektra
Only in terms of detective skills. Intelligence, strength, skill, and strategy wise, he's way below Batman. Anyway, X-Men win because of Phoenix. If Jean lacks the Phoenix, then the Outsiders win in a close fight due to Colossus ranking significantly lower than Geo-Force in strength.

but the x-men have about 3 ways to separate him from the Earth, telekinesis, teleportation, and wind. so i think that even without the phoenix force it would probably come down to the team as a whole ,and best teamwork.

So is this the reboot Outsiders?

#13 Posted by blacharrt (1562 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Who would win in a fight between Wolverine and Kantana (was she amped, I never got an answer on that)?

#14 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (9185 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@blacharrt said:

@Avenging-X-Bolt: Although that would normally work, not with storm on the team. Metamorpho would have to play it very smart, with team work he could probably localize his affect in single h2h to KO people, but i don't see it happening on a wide range. So it definitely could work.

good point.

i forgot about her. they would probably need to distract her. im sure Creeper and Katana and Black lightning could keep her distracted while the others are taken out

#15 Posted by BMEZY (1182 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

yup in this pic it looks like jean is at phoenix levels... the OP says bloodlusted, so she's Dark Phoenix.. she can possibly solo by herself

#16 Posted by BMEZY (1182 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@YoungGunna:

who is Geo- Force, and what can he do... is he powerful enough to even affect Dark Phoenix??

#17 Posted by Billy Batson (54581 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Outsiders.
BB

#18 Posted by Final Arrow (24295 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Billy Batson: WOW that was insightful...:p

#19 Edited by Final Arrow (24295 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@BMEZY: I would wait and see what the OP says before we go with the most powerful version of a character.

@IZZR: HI is this normal Jean Grey or Phoenix

#20 Posted by Billy Batson (54581 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Final Arrow:
I'm lazy. Can you blame me? But if it's Phoenix (which I doubt) the X-men would win :p
BB

#21 Posted by Final Arrow (24295 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Billy Batson: I don't know if ray gets to her fast enough, but that's a very big IF

#22 Posted by StarKiller809 (1207 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

I think the Outsider could handle this. Sure, they are less known but I still think they have enough to beat the X-Men.

#23 Posted by BMEZY (1182 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

the OP wasn't really specific he only used the team names and the pictures that included everyone fighting, Jean is in her Phoenix uniform, so we have to go by what we have, so she is phoenix... the OP also says that both teams are bloodlusted, which makes her dark phoenix (the bloodlusting part); at this stage she has no vulnerabilities such as moral reasoning, mercy, compassion etc etc... so she solos, and telekinetically atomizes the whole outsiders team with a simple hand gesture :)

#24 Edited by blacharrt (1562 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

It's my understanding that both Geo-Force and Storm have a connection with the Earth but in different ways. Storm's connection also allows her to detect seismic activity, does Geo-force also allow him other kinds of perception?

@Avenging-X-Bolt: I don't know how useful any of them would be with distracting storm, Lighting can't shouldn't hurt current storm, And Katana runs around with a sword, which isn't the best thing to do with people hurling lighting around. Creeper I think would be interesting to see, a mix of kurt and beast someone said, can he teleport as well?

I still think the end result will come down to teamwork. Even if it is the Phoenix (Green) can be beaten, but it would have to be done in a smart way.

#25 Edited by Final Arrow (24295 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@BMEZY: As I said it's best to ASK the op and not make an assumption off a picture, he or she may have simply used the first picture they found off the team they wanted. Your argument is based off one character being at their strongest level due to a costume, I think for the sake of debating it is best to wait and see what the OP maker has to say, hence why I @ replied them to find that out.

#26 Posted by The_Warlord (1777 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

The Outsiders, Metamorpho and Geo-Force are too much of a factor

#27 Posted by BMEZY (1182 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@blacharrt:
with no prep i don't see how... if you could tell me, it would be greatly appreciated, since this is a bloodlusted phoenix then she is dark phoenix: she won't be holding back, and her wrath will be unleashed.. what would they be able to do before they are atomized, with a simple glanced from the dARK One??

#28 Posted by blacharrt (1562 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@BMEZY said:

@blacharrt: with no prep i don't see how... if you could tell me, it would be greatly appreciated, since this is a bloodlusted phoenix then she is dark phoenix: she won't be holding back, and her wrath will be unleashed.. what would they be able to do before they are atomized, with a simple glanced from the dARK One??

I believe you and i had a very lengthy discussion about he phoenix and the limit there of, Green Phoenix. So we don't need to go into that again. Geo-Force, and Metamorpho are very formidable. The Phoenix (with or without PF) would have a problem fighting them.

#29 Posted by ReVamp (22567 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@cattlebattle said:

                    I don' think any of the X-Men are equipped to handle Metamorpho/Shift or whatever he calls himself now

Metamorpho and Shift are/were two different people, not to mention Shift was more powerful, since he wasn't limited to the elements displayed by the human body. Unless metamorpho has gotten a powerup.

I know Geo Force is a really big factor, but I think you people are over estimating Metamorpho. He proves to be valuable during most superhero fights, especially with his ability to transform into gas, but I don't think that he has anyway to put all his power to use in a devestatingly lethal attack.

And I maybe wrong, but isn't Geoforce a 100 toner? Wouldn't this mean Colossus could hang with him, sure he has his earth power (Terrakinesis or whatever its called) but would it be enough to actually take out Colossus easily? Cause the way I see it, Colossus could hang with him.

Then Black Lightning, is indeed a powerful character, but he should be a street leveler, however, I heard he had a judgment so I'll reserve judgement on him. Though I still think storm could prove to be too much for her.

#30 Posted by IZZR (3947 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@ThanosIsMad said:

@IZZR said:
@blacharrt said:
Um i don't know three of those outsiders, I see black lighting, Geo-Dude, and metamorpho.. i was hoping it was the Grace, thunder, Roy, Dick Rosters... =( I can't call this. But i would love to listen to the arguments.
The others are Owlman who is Batmans equal in every single way, Creeper who is smiling in the pic and he is a cross between nightcrawler and beast of X-Men, the lady at the back is Katana who is pretty much like Elektra
Only in terms of detective skills. Intelligence, strength, skill, and strategy wise, he's way below Batman. Anyway, X-Men win because of Phoenix. If Jean lacks the Phoenix, then the Outsiders win in a close fight due to Colossus ranking significantly lower than Geo-Force in strength.

No it is agreed upon even by Batman himself that Owlman is his equal if not his superior in every department

#31 Posted by IZZR (3947 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Final Arrow: Yep its updated now and no ofcourse its not Phoenix that would be spite lol

#32 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (9185 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@blacharrt said:

It's my understanding that both Geo-Force and Storm have a connection with the Earth but in different ways. Storm's connection also allows her to detect seismic activity, does Geo-force also allow him other kinds of perception?

@Avenging-X-Bolt: I don't know how useful any of them would be with distracting storm, Lighting can't shouldn't hurt current storm, And Katana runs around with a sword, which isn't the best thing to do with people hurling lighting around. Creeper I think would be interesting to see, a mix of kurt and beast someone said, can he teleport as well? I still think the end result will come down to teamwork. Even if it is the Phoenix (Green) can be beaten, but it would have to be done in a smart way.

i know i was actually thinking of Bl using electro magnetism instead of his usal lightning blasts, he could probably keep storm occupied in hand to hand

that creeper comparison is......a little simplistic but generally effective, no he cant teleport.

#33 Posted by YoungGunna (2439 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@ReVamp said:

@cattlebattle said:

                    I don' think any of the X-Men are equipped to handle Metamorpho/Shift or whatever he calls himself now




Metamorpho and Shift are/were two different people, not to mention Shift was more powerful, since he wasn't limited to the elements displayed by the human body. Unless metamorpho has gotten a powerup.    I know Geo Force is a really big factor, but I think you people are over estimating Metamorpho. He proves to be valuable during most superhero fights, especially with his ability to transform into gas, but I don't think that he has anyway to put all his power to use in a devestatingly lethal attack.   And I maybe wrong, but isn't Geoforce a 100 toner? Wouldn't this mean Colossus could hang with him, sure he has his earth power (Terrakinesis or whatever its called) but would it be enough to actually take out Colossus easily? Cause the way I see it, Colossus could hang with him.   Then Black Lightning, is indeed a powerful character, but he should be a street leveler, however, I heard he had a judgment so I'll reserve judgement on him. Though I still think storm could prove to be too much for her.

But the thing with Metamorpho could he survive being Flash freezed by Storm?

Geo Force is far above Colossus he's beaten The Olympian who had equal strength to WW, one shot Kalibak, and has broke through Kyle's constructs ect... just in case you didn't know..

Black Lightning is far above a street leveler IMO but storm could beat him although it would be a good match...

#34 Posted by ReVamp (22567 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@YoungGunna said:

                    @ReVamp said:

@cattlebattle said:

                    I don' think any of the X-Men are equipped to handle Metamorpho/Shift or whatever he calls himself now




Metamorpho and Shift are/were two different people, not to mention Shift was more powerful, since he wasn't limited to the elements displayed by the human body. Unless metamorpho has gotten a powerup.    I know Geo Force is a really big factor, but I think you people are over estimating Metamorpho. He proves to be valuable during most superhero fights, especially with his ability to transform into gas, but I don't think that he has anyway to put all his power to use in a devestatingly lethal attack.   And I maybe wrong, but isn't Geoforce a 100 toner? Wouldn't this mean Colossus could hang with him, sure he has his earth power (Terrakinesis or whatever its called) but would it be enough to actually take out Colossus easily? Cause the way I see it, Colossus could hang with him.   Then Black Lightning, is indeed a powerful character, but he should be a street leveler, however, I heard he had a judgment so I'll reserve judgement on him. Though I still think storm could prove to be too much for her.




But the thing with Metamorpho could he survive being Flash freezed by Storm?  Geo Force is far above Colossus he's beaten The Olympian who had equal strength to WW, one shot Kalibak, and has broke through Kyle's constructs ect... just in case you didn't know..  Black Lightning is far above a street leveler IMO but storm could beat him although it would be a good match...

1. Metamorpho probably could, but he could be contained by Jean
2. I didn't, I appreciate the info.
3. OK.

Still think the X Men could take this, though it depends on Jean's Power level to fight Geo Force, or through the use of team work have someone kill him unexpectedly, like Banshee's scream or Wolverine's Claws.

#35 Posted by Chaos Prime (8216 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Im going for the Outsiders in this one..Creeper alone is more than able to keep Logan busy imo..
Black Lighting & Cyclops would be a good encounter but from his showing against Geo-Force my $$ is on BL taking him out..
Metamorpho Ace in the pack to take Jean out while the battle is raging..He could just enter her body & kill her from the inside out..
Geo-Force & the other Outsiders have enough to keep the rest of the X-Men busy while back up arrives in the form of Metamorpho & Black Lighting..

#36 Edited by SebastianShawShank (28 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Outsiders... Owlman is not only Batmans equal if it is Bruce Wayne from the CSA he is ruthless and the X-men have too many distractions to deal with.

Metamorpho could turn into gas or a giant adimantium spike once he identified its chemical make up. Katanna could easily stand toe to toe with Wolverine. Black Lightning takes storm and Geo-force and Creeper pick up the slack, Oh yeah while you have been reading this Owlman has taken out pretty much everyone with his lethal Tech.

#37 Posted by Skaddix (3055 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Jean should have no trouble mind raping the Outsiders. Maybe Metamorpho and Black Lightning have resistance but the rest no.

#38 Posted by Strafe Prower (11538 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Let me break this down, assuming this isn't Pheonix Jean.

Geo-Force and and Metamorpho could potentially solo. Black Lightning could come close.

The Outsiders have more strength, speed, durability, raw power, and every other advantage needed.

The only thng that could potentially cause any trouble is Jean's TP, but I'm doubtful that it will give the X-Men the win.

If you need feats for each individual Outsider, I can provide them.

#39 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (9185 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@IZZR said:

@ThanosIsMad said:

@IZZR said:

@blacharrt said:

Um i don't know three of those outsiders, I see black lighting, Geo-Dude, and metamorpho.. i was hoping it was the Grace, thunder, Roy, Dick Rosters... =( I can't call this. But i would love to listen to the arguments.
The others are Owlman who is Batmans equal in every single way, Creeper who is smiling in the pic and he is a cross between nightcrawler and beast of X-Men, the lady at the back is Katana who is pretty much like Elektra
Only in terms of detective skills. Intelligence, strength, skill, and strategy wise, he's way below Batman. Anyway, X-Men win because of Phoenix. If Jean lacks the Phoenix, then the Outsiders win in a close fight due to Colossus ranking significantly lower than Geo-Force in strength.
No it is agreed upon even by Batman himself that Owlman is his equal if not his superior in every department

When did he ever say that!?!?!?! are you sure your not mistasking this owlman for antimatter owlman or earth 3 owlman?

@SebastianShawShank said:

Outsiders... Owlman is not only Batmans equal if it is Bruce Wayne from the CSA he is ruthless and the X-men have too many distractions to deal with. Metamorpho could turn into gas or a giant adimantium spike once he identified its chemical make up. Katanna could easily stand toe to toe with Wolverine. Black Lightning takes storm and Geo-force and Creeper pick up the slack, Oh yeah while you have been reading this Owlman has taken out pretty much everyone with his lethal Tech.

the owlman in outsiders is a completly different person tha the crime syndicate or society version. the only thing he equals batman in isdetective skills

#40 Posted by Chaos Prime (8216 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Strafe Prower said:

Let me break this down, assuming this isn't Pheonix Jean.

Geo-Force and and Metamorpho could potentially solo. Black Lightning could come close.

The Outsiders have more strength, speed, durability, raw power, and every other advantage needed.

The only thng that could potentially cause any trouble is Jean's TP, but I'm doubtful that it will give the X-Men the win.

If you need feats for each individual Outsider, I can provide them.

Please do..Even though i think The Outsiders take this encounter :-)

#41 Posted by IZZR (3947 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Avenging-X-Bolt: I stand corrected it was the anti-matter owlman

#42 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (7819 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

I am leaning toward the X-Men but would like to see some showings for the Outsiders. Any TP resistance feats for the Outsider? Defense against Banshee's sonic scream?

#43 Posted by YoungGunna (2439 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@IZZR said:

@Avenging-X-Bolt: I stand corrected it was the anti-matter owlman

Is TP still off seems as you have changed it...

#44 Posted by Skaddix (3055 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Yes where is the proof of telepathic resistance. I can see Black Lightning resisting and Metamorpho but the rest of the team I don't see what stops Jean from mind raping them.

#45 Posted by IZZR (3947 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@YoungGunna: Yeah ive allowed it now as lets be honest its not like Jean has anything else to give lol

@Skaddix:
Well obviously either BA or Metamorpho wont jus stand there while she "mind rapes" them

#46 Posted by Skaddix (3055 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Mind rapes are pretty quick. Its not like jean does not have a team either.

#47 Posted by YoungGunna (2439 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Well I guess I'm leaning towards the X-Men then because I don't if the majority of the Outsiders have resistances to TP and especially since Jean Grey is Bloodlusted....May need Strafe's input on that though..

#48 Posted by MKF30 (11623 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

I'm leaning towards the outsiders because of Shift aka Metemorpho and Geo-Dude, Black Lightning I also believe would be formidable....which version of Owlman is that?

#49 Posted by IZZR (3947 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@MKF30 said:

I'm leaning towards the outsiders because of Shift aka Metemorpho and Geo-Dude, Black Lightning I also believe would be formidable....which version of Owlman is that?

New earth version

#50 Posted by SebastianShawShank (28 posts) - 1 year, 10 months ago - Show Bio

I stand corrected that is NOT and I repeat is NOT the CSA Owlman. Without that edge I give this to the X-men. Metamorpho can change into any gas he wants... Wolverine breaths him in and his healing factor kills him. Cyclops is also a master tactician and the X-men are a well oiled machine of ass kicking they are the mma fighters of super-heros they never stop training. I dont think The Outsiders have anything that can counter the X-mens teamwork. What can they do when Nightcrawler bamfs Wolverine at them?? Or what about a telekinetic Fast Ball special??? X-men bloody and bruised but Outsiders Defeated