@Silver2467: Yeah, I know. I have the comic. Look at that page of Mageddon hovering over that city going "Destroy, annihilate, convert all life into death!" Looks to me like he's preoccupied.
There's definitely a precedent in comics for giant cosmic beings/objects going about their business without paying special attention to the tiny speck working behind the scenes. Whether it's a scenario involving someone ridiculously powerful like Galactus vs (insert pretty much any Earth born dust mote of a hero), or say, Atom has reduced himself in size so that his being doesn't even register as a whisper to someone like Brainwave. Or Mr. Mind for that matter. Suffice to say, if you take scale into account, J'onn in no way has to be in the same ballpark as Mageddon in terms of psionic power to do what he does in those scans that you've posted.
@Switchdoctor: You are dodging what was shown. The Martian specifically said, "I'm trying to shield you from full contact with the Mageddon program." Notice that. They were in its mind field, and he shielded BatMan from full contact. Based on that, they were even more close to its power than the beings on Wonderworld, which Mageddon influenced in entirety (do I really have to mention that they were some of the most powerful beings in the universe again?). The Martian has telepathically scanned on subatomic scales before. He has scanned on the scale of a planet. So, no, being too small is not an issue from some telepaths, especially Mageddon, who took the time to influence every being on Wonderworld, including that small being that Wonder Woman held in her hand.
@Silver2467: I'm not dodging anything. Look also at the part that talks about how Mageddon's mind field works on the lowest psychic frequencies; horror, fear, shame, to which Batman talks about how he's not afraid of the dark and starts contacting Clark. What you're trying to sell here about J'onn is a lemon.
The blood loss is just an effect of his power it has nothing to do with it's ability or strength. The fact that he was able to enter each person on Earth's mind including the strongest telepaths and MM's mind's while he was on Mars one of DC's greatest telepaths is insanely powerful. He completely erased himself from everyone it is so powerful that when someone is presented a photo of him they believe it to be something else he planted in their head. He can affect people from anywhere on the planet
@Switchdoctor: First, notice how BatMan was nearly traumatized when he actually entered its mind field. What he states before actually doing that is irrelevant. He knows nothing about what exactly he will experience when it happens. Second, again, you are dodging the issue. The fact is that Mageddon influenced and subsequently destroyed a planet populated by some of the most powerful beings in the universe. Even if the Martian and BatMan were below Mageddon's radar, as you claimed, they would still be under that same influence. But, not only were they under that amount of power, the Martian had them enter its mind field to contact SuperMan, and the Martian shielded himself and BatMan from that power.
I could care less whether or not you like a feat, but at least acknowledge it as it was blatantly shown and represent it correctly. Your attempts at lowballing something by arguing around the issue is not accomplishing anything.
@Switchdoctor: No. What I have been trying to represent is that the Martian can (and has) proven that, when he makes the effort to, he can resist the telepathic power of characters and beings like Mageddon, White Martians, En'tarans, etc.
No. What I have been trying to represent is that the Martian can (and has) proven that when he makes the effort to, he can resist the telepathic power that characters and beings like Mageddon, White Martians, En'tarans, etc.
*facepalm* In fact, that IS what you are arguing. You are saying that J'onn is in the same class as Mageddon. And this isn't laughable how?
@Switchdoctor: Did you even read my post? Or are you trying to avoid the debate so you can insult me? Because the latter seems more likely based on your statement.
Again, present an argument to prove it wrong, or concede the point. Because right now, you are just wasting my time.
@Silver2467: Uh, yeah. As verbose as they are, I have read your arguments. What they essentially boil down to is you claiming that J'onn is on an equal footing with Mageddon when it comes to psychic power, which is completely laughable. That's what you're saying when you ignore the narration about how Mageddon's mind field is broadcast on the lowest frequencies; a scenario that is tailor made for Batman to shoulder at least some of the load. So yeah, if you totally ignore the context of J'onn talking about trying to shield Bruce from full contact with the Mageddon program, then J'onn is just as powerful as Mageddon.
@Switchdoctor: I'm done with this. All you have done throughout this pointless discussion is assume my intention, insult me, dodge the issue, and make up information (as you made several claims that are shown to be completely untrue throughout the arc, as I proved with scans, despite you claiming to have read it, which is questionable at this point, to be honest).
When you learn a more effective method of debating, let me know. As it stand right now, you are a complete waste of my time.
@Silver2467: Oh come on guy. I'm dodging the issue? That's a rather disingenuous way of backing out of the discussion. You kicked the ball, and I'm kicking it back. If you are in fact not arguing that J'onn = Mageddon in terms of how you've described the scans that you posted, then what? Explain how completely ignoring Batman's part in the narration when establishing contact with Clark in the mind field doesn't go into the realm of warping scans just to pump J'onn's tires? You have to admit that you didn't mention Bruce at all initially.
" The Z'Nox were coming to Earth, he sensed it and faked his death to plan for it, he came back gathered the collective thoughts of the "just" and funneld them through the Xmen to stop the invasion. Xmen V1 165. Through planet wide psi static he astral projected to Galatus, in an attempt to convince Galactus to spare the Skrull homeworld, he gathered and projected the collective thoughts of every Skrull into the mind of Galactus, Galactus isn't moved and psi blasts Xavier, his astral form still lingers after and eventually fades.Xmen V2 90"
All of this just makes him somewhat equal to J'onn... You made it seems as if Xavier was more powerful than J'onn, based on this, but it really isn't any better than the planetary feats that J'onn pulls off.
@Static Shock: Plus, as insurance, you have Maxwell Lord who can just go off like a bomb at the bell.
The way I see this match going down is Maxima and J'onn making the first move because of their super-speed. If there's anyone left after that, then either Lord or Zatanna can mop up. I don't know enough about Saturn Girl or Captain Comet to comment. I haven't seen a lot from Miss Martian either.
they are allowed to use their other abilities as well green phoenix jean no prep fight is in an empty city they start 1 block away from each other who wins and why?
Nate Gray owns this battle, no one on the DC team could touch him. If Cable is at his full power, then Nate, Jean, and Cable would mindrape everyone. Emma, Cuckoos (also if it's all five of them) they definitely would equal an omega level telepaths trumping Emma and Charles., professor X, and Psylock aren't even needed.
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