" Correct me if I;m wrong, but when has Wanda been a part of X-Men? "Never. And Wanda manipulating reality at will is far from applicable. She has done it twice on a large scale (HoM, M-Day), and both times she was at a frail emotional, and psychological state. At a sane mind, she would have never been able to do that.
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But if the speed blitz is the first action then they still end up gone. Other characters may blast the X-men who did it and kill them but blood was drawn on both sides. I agree a large portion of X-men are dead before they know what's going on. The ones that aren't however.....
Also Darwin is a wild card. He could evolve speed, anti-speed, time manip, energy manip. You never know. He also may spontaniously teleport to the other side of the world becuse his mutation decides he's in too much danger.
Sorry I missed the as or more.
Wanda was for a very short period (maybe 3 issues) after the Brotherhood and before the Avengers. I think they did one matbe two missions. She and Pietro ultimately chose to leave to try to deal with personal issues and settled with the Avengers a short time later. Also if alternate timelines come in she was a member a few times.
"Also Darwin is a wild card. He could evolve speed, anti-speed, time manip, energy manip. You never know. He also may spontaniously teleport to the other side of the world becuse his mutation decides he's in too much danger. "I don't know much about Darwin to argue. Must do research.
" Wanda was for a very short period (maybe 3 issues) after the Brotherhood and before the Avengers. I think they did one matbe two missions. She and Pietro ultimately chose to leave to try to deal with personal issues and settled with the Avengers a short time later. Also if alternate timelines come in she was a member a few times. "She isn't recognised as an official member, and I don't think a couple of issue hanging out with them changes that.
@Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
"So we assume that Illyana with her full power unlocked able to manipulate time and space on a large scale along with the ability to cast precognitive magics will be powerless against speedsters? "Yes.
@Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
" So we assume that Illyana with her full power unlocked able to manipulate time and space on a large scale along with the ability to cast precognitive magics will be powerless against speedsters? Northstar would be able to register anything moving at a superspeed, and with the boost they can get from Jean he intercepts whoever goes after Illyana while she freezes time, or Phoenix just decides to go off and ends the fight, or Vulcan suspends all kinetic energy in the area, or Emma takes possession of Exlier and uses his power to make all JLA memebers baseline humans, or one of the more experienced telepaths takes control over Franklin Richards powers and does whatever they want (Franklin was a member of Gen. X at the time when his powers ranked him the most powerful mutant on Earth at the time.). "
Another logic fail. Northstar is nothing compared to flashes or Superman or wonder woman.
And now we get to the old thinking problem. Jean, Vulcan, Emma, Exlier(whoever that is, I presume you mean elixir), Illyana and Franklin Richards all need to think before they act, and while they're doing that, they are being picked off like flies.
" WhizKid technoforms anything metal, plastic and or glass into a super kill the JLA machine, Karma takes possession of some of their heavy hitters an make them fight their own, Iceman sucks the mositrure out of them, Rachel, Sage, Wolverine, Bishop and Storm open a black hole all of them can't escape it, Magneto combined with Joseph does any number of things and with Forges power and a decent telepath can build anything they need to take JLA down, Darwin and Lifeguard evolve into forms that can take JLA, simultaneous mind blast from Prof. X, Jean, Emma, Rachel, Psylocke, Cuckoos, Quentine Quire, Cable, Franklin Richards, M, Nate Grey (considered an Xman when Jean Scott and Wolverine put together the team to save the Mannites) will also do lots of damage, the Xmen are not without options and there a plenty more to go, Jubilee full potential unleashed could atomize a large portion of them, some of the Xmen are fodder but they have heavy hitters and a shit load of telepaths that are experts in unlocking hidden potential and cramming years worth of danger room training into nano-seconds worth of telepathic contact. "
Thinking, pay attention.
we all know what would happen if sentry and supes were to meet. the only person in the xmen/avengers( if they participate) who can match up to supes is thor and that fight is still debatable......besides if supes styarts to lose he has ww to back him up
i can see vulcan, jean gray, magneo, prof x and other big hitters being a problem for a while but eventually they will fall....and jla will win
While I agree that Northstar is functionally no help, I already explained how the speed blitz falls apart. They might get a few, but with so many characters with adaptive powers and automatic defensive powers the DC speedsters will be out of the fight before anyone on either side knows the fight started. And depending on who they hit first, since apparently you insist on having them just jump in with no knowledge of their opponents, they could very easily be dead and not have actually harmed anyone. And with Longshot involved you can bet that anything that would normally be chance, like wether or not the Flash runs into someone who reflexively kills him and never even knows he was there before he hurts anyone else will go in favor of the Marvel team. While the DC speed blitz falls apart, the Marvel speed blitz in the form of Vulcan takes out DC's magic users. Elixer could easily decimate nearly everyone except the Supers, Wonder Woman, and Manhunter, mostly only because they aren't really human to start with. Manhunter, as talented a telepath as he is, is no match for a dozen or more telepaths of equal or nearly equal levels. Even if they had only half his power they would overwhelm him, especially since DC characters aren't used to telepathic battles while it's commonplace in Marvel. You have a variety of energy manipulators who can drain solar energy from Supes (Cyclops, Havok, Vulcan,Magneto, Joseph, Polaris,Lifeguard, and Darwin), bombard them with red solar enrgy(Vulcan, Magneto, Joseph, Polaris, Darwin, Lifeguard, Dazzler), hit them with telepathic attacks(Professor X, Sage, X-man and many others), attack them magically(Illyana, Amanda Sefton), turn into or turn other things into Kryptonite(Darwin, Lifeguard) or in the case of all the Phoenixes all of these things. And don't forget Rogue and Mimic using Vulcan or Magneto or anyone else's powers as well. That leaves Wonder Woman for any one of the nine Phoenixes. Then it's everyone vs the GLs. Plus theres a huge trump card if it includes all incarnations of the X-men. Because if you include the Great Lakes X-men then Squrrel Girl joins the fray, and we all know how that would turn out. LOL
I love watching huge battles in comics but sometimes I get sick of the "ATOMIC BOMB PLANET CRUSHING LEVEL OF BATTLES" that rival an over actioned episode of DBZ.
Anyway, I'd love to see a show like Spike TV's Deadliest Warrior that just covers what battles would be like between crossovers like this. They wouldn't even have to be the ultimate version. Just seeing a random X-Men team against a random JLA team would be epic imo.
Alright, Let me answer the original question. I have to go with JLA for the win, As epic as Pheonix is that doesn't mean anything when the X-men can stop her. JLA just seems to have more heavy hitters that would be able to handle her and the rest of the X-Men.
But again, I hate these kind of random concepts, Thats why I like smaller scale because theres more that you can add to the story. If you had an evenly matched smaller team of average X-Men at war with a smaller average JLA I bet X-Men would have the JLA's number with no problem. Plus you have more of a story and an excuse to add some things like the Wolverine with Kryponite Claws that comic neeeeerds love to bring into the mix. How bout Prof X vs Martian Manhunter or Batman vs Gambit.
In the end I gotta say, Epic battles have no real outcome because there are so many factors that could down the strongest of all. Atleast in single battles you have a better arguement. For example theres no arguement about Cyclops vs Green Lantern, Lantern would win 99% of the time.
"@Lunacyde said:Who taught you to spell? Your grammar is terrible. Anyways JLA takes this, I'm a Marvel fanboy and I don't like one single character in DC and I know they still win because the majority of their characters are so over-powered which to me makes them less fun to read about. But yeah JLA takes this, most members can take out most of the X-Men by themselves."Even if you added in Avengers characters JLA still wins "ohand with the Avengers they wuld have Sentry marvels more powerful version of the sentry and theyd have hulk and so many othrs that are amazingly powerful like thor or iron man( hes more powerful than he seems hes) and much more "
Anyways JLA takes this, I'm a Marvel fanboy and I don't like one single character in DC and I know they still win because the majority of their characters are so over-powered which to me makes them less fun to read about. But yeah JLA takes this, most members can take out most of the X-Men by themselves. "
Well yeah they are over powered but for the most part I notice that DC heroes hold back on their powers until the most extreme moments while X-Men destroy a city block just to open a soda pop. :P
Anyway, I wonder what impact Batman would have on this battle. In alot major battles you see him lurk away only to return right at the end to deal some damage, aid or with a secret weapon or two.
" @Lost_Rellik said:i dont really think dc people are overpowered....but whateverAnyways JLA takes this, I'm a Marvel fanboy and I don't like one single character in DC and I know they still win because the majority of their characters are so over-powered which to me makes them less fun to read about. But yeah JLA takes this, most members can take out most of the X-Men by themselves. "Well yeah they are over powered but for the most part I notice that DC heroes hold back on their powers until the most extreme moments while X-Men destroy a city block just to open a soda pop. :P Anyway, I wonder what impact Batman would have on this battle. In alot major battles you see him lurk away only to return right at the end to deal some damage, aid or with a secret weapon or two. "
anyways batman will probably be trying to take on people like captain america and cyclops...but hell eventually be put down. he can get manhandle by over half of the people in the xmen.
the oly ones to worry about would be supes, ww, the green lanters, and other heavy hitters
Another question, What role would Rogue be playing? I havn't followed whats been going on in the marvel side of things in a bit so what would she be able to do right now?
" @AtPhantom: While I agree that Northstar is functionally no help, I already explained how the speed blitz falls apart. They might get a few, but with so many characters with adaptive powers and automatic defensive powers the DC speedsters will be out of the fight before anyone on either side knows the fight started. And depending on who they hit first, since apparently you insist on having them just jump in with no knowledge of their opponents, they could very easily be dead and not have actually harmed anyone. And with Longshot involved you can bet that anything that would normally be chance, like wether or not the Flash runs into someone who reflexively kills him and never even knows he was there before he hurts anyone else will go in favor of the Marvel team. While the DC speed blitz falls apart, the Marvel speed blitz in the form of Vulcan takes out DC's magic users. Elixer could easily decimate nearly everyone except the Supers, Wonder Woman, and Manhunter, mostly only because they aren't really human to start with. Manhunter, as talented a telepath as he is, is no match for a dozen or more telepaths of equal or nearly equal levels. Even if they had only half his power they would overwhelm him, especially since DC characters aren't used to telepathic battles while it's commonplace in Marvel. You have a variety of energy manipulators who can drain solar energy from Supes (Cyclops, Havok, Vulcan,Magneto, Joseph, Polaris,Lifeguard, and Darwin), bombard them with red solar enrgy(Vulcan, Magneto, Joseph, Polaris, Darwin, Lifeguard, Dazzler), hit them with telepathic attacks(Professor X, Sage, X-man and many others), attack them magically(Illyana, Amanda Sefton), turn into or turn other things into Kryptonite(Darwin, Lifeguard) or in the case of all the Phoenixes all of these things. And don't forget Rogue and Mimic using Vulcan or Magneto or anyone else's powers as well. That leaves Wonder Woman for any one of the nine Phoenixes. Then it's everyone vs the GLs. Plus theres a huge trump card if it includes all incarnations of the X-men. Because if you include the Great Lakes X-men then Squrrel Girl joins the fray, and we all know how that would turn out. LOL "1. Just out of curiosity, who are all thos mutants with constant defensive abilities, please?
2. Your entire post presumes that while the X-Men are attacking, the JLA are just standing around doing nothing. This will not be the case. I can just as well say that Fate will simply turn everyone to stone with a snap of a finer, or that Metamorpho will just turn into a toxic gas and suffocate every Xmen, or that Superman would simply destroy the planet.
3. Manhunter waeaker than most X-telepaths? How many X-telepaths have scaned every mind on earth at the same time?
4. I refuse to consider Squirrel Girl in any battles. Her presumed omnipotence was funny once. Now it's just lame.
@Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
"There is no logical fail, Northstar being of use is contingent on Jean using the Phoenix to up is powers by a number of times, one such upgrade gave Beast greatly enhanced strength and speed which allowed him to grab and relaunch projectiles in mid flight (without using the Phoenix), logic would dictate that since Northstar already has the ability to move at light speed but doesn't that an upgrade powered by the Phoenix would make him that much faster, enabling him to rival DC speedsters at least to the point of being able to register their attack patterns, Xmen love to be telepathically linked during battle so if he knows they all know. "1. Newsflash, she has to think before she empowers Northstar, and while she's thinking Northstar dies. That's where the fail was. In fact, while she's thinking, most Xmen die.
2. Xmen linked telepathically means nothing. JLA have been doing it long before the Xmen.
I personally prefer the X-men but the JLA isn't exactly defenseless. Major Disaster could give ll the x-men heart attacks or cause them all to spontaneously combust. Mr. Miracle could use the anti-life equation on them all. Phantom stranger could travel back in time and kill them all in their cribs. Zauriel could kill them all with his "scream". The Marvesl could call down his lightning to kill a fair number of them. Orion could use the astro force to demolish them. Vixen could copy th epowers of their most powerful member and use his/her powers against the X-men. Also I am not sure how susptible to telepathy Jean is when she is pheonix forced but Martian Manhunter is a very powerful telepath. He was shown reading the minds of every person on the planet at one point. Also the flashes move at sppeds aproaching light and could take every person before the fight really started. The Lantern's have incredible power on their fingers and there are either 3 or four of them on the JLA side. Finally, if this is all characters at their most powerful then The JLA should win because Superman at his strongest was Cosmic Armour Supes. (I think) So those are just my thoughts on how the JLA could win. To be honest Iam not rooting for either side really. I like both.
This is really not a fight.
I love the X-Men but you said and I quote All mermbers old an new.
You did say that..I can quote it.
The JLA destroys them in fact I say the 2wo flashes and 6 Green Lanterns (Hal, Guy, John, Kyle, gNort and Killowag Solo)
as for Phonixe and and Vulcan meet the Phantom Stranger.
And lets not even talking about getting the Brains of the teams going. Give Bats, Steel, Atom and Bettle together and theu'll have a mutant infibitor collar
together before you can blink and before you blink the two flashes will have it on every mutants necks.
And lets look at the Power here
Superman, Captian Marvel, Wonderwoman, Barda, Orion, J'onn, Bloodwynd, Maxima, Mary Marvel..need more? Captian Atom...more?
Oh I forget all that Psychic stuff the X-men throw about the JLA can be that...wait....
Martian Man Hunter, Maxima, Tommorrow Woman, Aquaman...
Divine Power? Zuriel, Phantom Stranger...
Magic? Dr. Fate, Zattan, Phantom Stranger, Silver Sorceress....
Direct Damage? Man this is list is two strong but do we really need more than Black Lighting (I once stooped a nuke and channeled the earth's electro magnetic field). Captian Atom (Living Nuke) and Fire Storm (Living Nuke that can turn your costumes in Uranium)?
and I have to say it again...Two Flashes who can hit an near infinite mass at near light speed...The Phonixe will be find a new host host because its current one won't have a head.
Love you X-people but in this
JLA all the way!
I agree
The X-men is good but the JLA has been doing it better, longer and on a bigger scale.
How bout Aquaman....... Ah yes, The hack joke of the Super Hero world..... Quick, Summon me a tuna can
Who would be fighting him during this battle? Iceman? How effective is he under water?
"You mean the joke who can shut your brain down or suck you dry of any water in your body? He's only a joke until you actually read about him......How bout Aquaman....... Ah yes, The hack joke of the Super Hero world..... Quick, Summon me a tuna can
"
Who would be fighting him during this battle? Iceman? How effective is he under water?
Aquaman?
Telepathic,
Can lift over 100 tons out of water, bullet proof, controls water...
Some minor spell casting skills
" @TedFoolery said:"You mean the joke who can shut your brain down or suck you dry of any water in your body? He's only a joke until you actually read about him...... "How bout Aquaman....... Ah yes, The hack joke of the Super Hero world..... Quick, Summon me a tuna can
"
Who would be fighting him during this battle? Iceman? How effective is he under water?
And I quote "The Hack joke of the Super Hero world". Look up what a hack means.
Anyway, My question was actually a real one since I don't look too deep into the marvel side of things. Who could be a threat to him underwater on the X-Men side? I know Iceman can freeze seawater but can he do much under water?
My instincts would go with JLA.
Most of the X-Men have singular powers to defend themselves, while the JLA have several powers each. and the JLA are all known to be powerhouses when it comes to battle.
"icemans powers are near unlimited he has nearly stoped time all he has to is flash freeze the area. "
Wow..... It really has been a while since I've picked up some X-Men I guess O_O
" when he droped his temp down to absolute zero when they were fighting that shi'ar weapon "Judging by your previous post I find this kind of hard to believe
"@buttersdaman000 said:"
we all know what would happen if sentry and supes were to meet. the only person in the xmen/avengers( if they participate) who can match up to supes is thor and that fight is still debatable......besides if supes styarts to lose he has ww to back him up i can see vulcan, jean gray, magneo, prof x and other big hitters being a problem for a while but eventually they will fall....and jla will win "
this is most likely fan art since the perfect american hero superman most likely didnt cuss
IF Superman is ready to kill AND Phonix is not going to show her face and back Jean Superman can preaty much solo this. His going to speedblizz faster then the other can even think and preaty much 1 hit them all or just destroy the planet.
ALL of the jla is a curbstomb.
The problem here and the only one is Phonix but if this is just Jean with a shadow of the phoenix or on normal levels she will be KO or killed. Phonix can bring her back or whatever.
So Phonix shows up they win easy if not JLA wins easy.
no one can truly take out pheonix maybe the hal jordin empowerd by that spirit thing that is vengeance that combined Dc and marvel universe with the living tribunal that might that might take pheonix honestly. also honestly i realise JLA will win they have more powerful members than Xmen, Xmen have strong powerful members but very few Only vulcan ice man pheonix decibel and the alternate reality Apocolypses sun can take out the flagship overpowered Superman especialy since his powers levels are inconsisten for many reasons depending on the sun and what " age"(silver, gold, etc) superman he is plus Martian manhunter is pretty much and superman but green and green lanter everyone keeps using him and any energy manipulator wuld neutralize him in a fight
"@An0m0ly said:"@buttersdaman000 said:this is most likely fan art since the perfect american hero superman most likely didnt cuss ""
we all know what would happen if sentry and supes were to meet. the only person in the xmen/avengers( if they participate) who can match up to supes is thor and that fight is still debatable......besides if supes styarts to lose he has ww to back him up i can see vulcan, jean gray, magneo, prof x and other big hitters being a problem for a while but eventually they will fall....and jla will win "
and even if you say it superman prime this picture doesnt look like normal sentry art were he is more brooding and his face is darker it to me looks like really good fan art but please if it is canon and its a cross over i dn't know about that both dc and marvel did togethr i will gladly say i was wrong
"@An0m0ly said:"@An0m0ly said:and even if you say it superman prime this picture doesnt look like normal sentry art were he is more brooding and his face is darker it to me looks like really good fan art but please if it is canon and its a cross over i dn't know about that both dc and marvel did togethr i will gladly say i was wrong ""@buttersdaman000 said:this is most likely fan art since the perfect american hero superman most likely didnt cuss ""
we all know what would happen if sentry and supes were to meet. the only person in the xmen/avengers( if they participate) who can match up to supes is thor and that fight is still debatable......besides if supes styarts to lose he has ww to back him up i can see vulcan, jean gray, magneo, prof x and other big hitters being a problem for a while but eventually they will fall....and jla will win "
That pic is realy well made. Its fan art of course but realy well made.
"@An0m0ly said:"@An0m0ly said:That pic is realy well made. Its fan art of course but realy well made. ""@An0m0ly said:and even if you say it superman prime this picture doesnt look like normal sentry art were he is more brooding and his face is darker it to me looks like really good fan art but please if it is canon and its a cross over i dn't know about that both dc and marvel did togethr i will gladly say i was wrong ""@buttersdaman000 said:this is most likely fan art since the perfect american hero superman most likely didnt cuss ""
we all know what would happen if sentry and supes were to meet. the only person in the xmen/avengers( if they participate) who can match up to supes is thor and that fight is still debatable......besides if supes styarts to lose he has ww to back him up i can see vulcan, jean gray, magneo, prof x and other big hitters being a problem for a while but eventually they will fall....and jla will win "
yeah so this isnt valid in the argument of superman versus sentry thing
I don't remember Ion being part of the JLA" If the X-Men get Phoenix then surely the JLA get ION "
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