X-Man vs Stryfe

X-Man can defeat Stryfe because X-Man has more skill, experience and even raw power than Stryfe.  X-Man could not defeat Professor X though.%Pr

@acaipapaya said:

"X-Man can defeat Stryfe because X-Man has more skill, experience and even raw power than Stryfe.  X-Man could not defeat Professor X though.%Pr "

Nate had more raw power than Xavier, yes, but did not have the skill and experience that Xavier has. I am aware that X-Man pulled Xavier off the astral plane, but Xavier, just like Exodus actually, underestimated Nate.  They both did not expect a young guy like Nate to be so powerful.  A ruthless Xavier could beat X-Man. %Pr

" @Morpheus_: No because Sinister made it so that X-Man would be even powerful than a "Cable" without the virus.  Sinister removed the natural blockades that X-Man would have created to prevent himself from killing himself or burning out. X-Man could barely even use half of his power because if he did he would kill himself.  X-Man has more raw power, skill and experience than Stryfe.%Pr "

Stalemate. Or either could win this fight, seriously. No clear winner.
 
Nate has slightly more raw power, but Stryfe is far more battle-tested.

As Shaman, Nate (I call him Composite Nate) would put and end to Stryfe. He has no rival as a telepath, or telekinetic. He has all the raw power of the original X-Man, without the stipulation that using the full extent of his powers will kill him. The last few arcs of X-Man's ongoing made it very clear that he was a being of immense power, even more so than Cable at his peak.

" As Shaman, Nate (I call him Composite Nate) would put and end to Stryfe. He has no rival as a telepath, or telekinetic. He has all the raw power of the original X-Man, without the stipulation that using the full extent of his powers will kill him. The last few arcs of X-Man's ongoing made it very clear that he was a being of immense power, even more so than Cable at his peak. "

"I more so use X-Man, as seen thoughout the AoA. Not afterwards, Korg. "

" @Morpheus_ said:

"I more so use X-Man, as seen thoughout the AoA. Not afterwards, Korg. "

You might want to specify it in the OP then. You say to read up on the characters, which I have done, rather thoroughly. You also use a picture of X-Man as Shaman. I draw my conclusions from that. Stryfe would easily defeat X-Man from AoA, as he has decades of experience over him, and is a genius, not a willful child. He is also genetically enhanced to the point that he won't burn out his body, which is almost certainly what X-Man would be driven to do in this fight. "

No need to excuse yourself, it's your thread. Didn't mean to sound brusque or anything.

Does anyone happen to know what that yellowish aura thingy around Stryfe's left eye is?

" Does anyone happen to know what that yellowish aura thingy around Stryfe's left eye is? "

" I've been recently re-reading AoA, and I also noticed Stryfe's (relatively) recent return. Which brings forth the simple question: which one would prevail in a random encounter between the two?  Check both combatants, if you are not familiar with them, and give your reasoning.   

http://www.comicvine.com/stryfe/29-7616/ 
http://www.comicvine.com/x-man/29-15051/ 
 
Take into consideration, that two seperate "versions" of Nate Grey are used in this fight:
 
i)  AoA X-Man
ii) Shaman
 
Respond accordingly, with your eveluation depending seperately on each version.
 
 
 

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xman could affectly just use enough power to end it and die later where stryfe has inbuilt blocks that would stop him from doing this so i vote xman

" @lazystudent: X-Man wins, especially due to the fact that X-Man got that tattoo that prevents him from killing himself.  "

Jean can beat Stryfe.        %Pr

 
AoA i'd give a 6/10 majority if for no other reason than Cable's victories over him, w/ only a fraction of the might. He would make Nate struggle, but i think he could pull it off. Though many of the encounters would go allot like that vision Nate had of them in the temple. Where as far as Shaman Nate is concerned, I really feel like he would dominate the fight. He'd def take the majority of the wins. 

" @Emerald_General_Jai: Stryfe would have more skill and experience than AOA X-Man though.             %Pr "

"Jean can beat Stryfe.        %Pr "

stryfe he has fought cable and x-man at the same time and he is just as strong as x-man in telepathy and telekinesis but also has a soldiers training and genetically enhanced strength and intellect and is faster so he can attack faster he is more durable and way stronger and far more ruthless and has future knowledge.

AoA nate would probably burn out before he could take stryfe out then lose, but it would be a tight match. Shaman nate would own stryfe though

@comic_book_fan: just read that issue and he was only able to do that because he sapped/drained their psi-energies and boosted himself with it. Just finished reading X-Man from start til Blood Brothers conclusion and I actually think pre-shaman nate would win. Nate during AoA would lose but after his stay on earth, even before getting the shaman tattoo he showed huge amounts of progress with regards to controlling and using his powers. I think he would beat stryfe

Shaman nate wins. Not sure about pre-shaman nate though, probably 5/10

@jedixman@ssj_god hi sorry to bother but what do you guys think o this fight? From what i've seen on forums you know a lot about this :)

@marvelfan1992:

stryfe and nate are practically the same person from different reality (just like cable).. their power output and and variety are almost same.

that said, stryfe would beat pre-shaman nate... but would loose to shaman nate depending on the feats.

Stryfe beats AoA Nate. Loses badly against Shaman Nate.

Years ago I did some calculations to figure out that Nate should be stronger than Stryfe.

It's just a theory and holds no water, but I found it interesting.

ok.. i'd like to know it then :)

Had to do with the clone thing.

Okay. In general fiction, clones are weaker than their originals. Children are roughly equal to. So, let's look at this:

Cyclops = 1, while his clone would be 1/2.

Jean = 1.

Madelyne Pryer, mother of Cable, is a 1/2 being the clone of Jean.

Their offspring would be 1 1/2. Because of the technovirus, Cable has been reduced to a 1. Possibly 2 / 3.

Now, X-Man:

Clone of Jean and Scott. He would be a 2, but as a clone, is reduced to 1 1/2. Possibly amped to 2 after becoming Shaman.

Cable is the result of a mutant + a clone. Stryfe is a clone of that.So, 1 1/2 reduced as a clone. Becomes 1, by virtue of being weaker than the person he was cloned from, minus the technovirus.

Again, this is all just a theory. Holds no water, but considering the fact that clones are usually weaker than the originals... eh.

ok.. looks interesting :D

though, nate is a test tube baby of cyclops and jean.. should we call him clone?... i don't think test tube babies are clones.

and... actually there's a comics reference to what you're trying to say aswell.... do you remember when nate pulled proff x out of the psionic plane? .. well, proff x actually went their to look for stryfe, and found out nate instead... and he couldn't gauge nate's power before it was too late (i.e nate sensed him and pulled him out)... so this could be said as.. nate was stronger than stryfe, that's why proff x couldn't gauge him well and he proved to be stronger..... though we can't say for sure that stryfe couldn't do that if he was in place of nate :D

Yet Nate Grey is confirmed Omega Level Mutant, while Cable is not...

@adamtrmm:

we were talking about nate and stryfe.. both are omega level mutants..

cable is not on that level because of the TO virus inside of him... though god cable (i.e TO virus removed) is an omega level mutant.

@jedixman: @ssj_god: what feats exactly does nate have that puts him above stryfe? Coz didn't stryfe wreck apocalypse and make JEAN his b*tches? And usually he takes on entire x-teams by himself? Sorry I only have the x-man series up until before he becomes shaman >.< btw thank you very much for taking time to answer my questions :D

P.S. would "god" cable beat nate and or stryfe?

... considering the fact that I ranked X-Man as higher, I don't see how this contradicts my point.

i don't think so.. but he's close

and nate pretty much did the same as above.. only he didn't wanted to do those things as he isn't evil like stryfe XD

@jedixman:

You said clones are weaker than the originals, I gave you that example. lol even Stryfe was confirmed as Omega recently.

@ssj_god:

Cable was confirmed as Omega level TK, not a mutant.

cable isn't an omega level mutant... but when the TO virus is removed, god cable is an omega level mutant

and btw.. nate is a test tube baby.. not a clone

OLM is an on panel confirmation. Cable wasn't confirmed as one even when he stopped holding the TO. So unless you show me the scan that I've somehow missed, which is possible, he isn't Omega.

He was created via artificial means from DNA of AOA Cyke and Jean, give another term that can used instead of clone I will gladly use it in the future :)