X-Force Vs. the Secret Avengers

With X-Force being it's on separate black ops entity and the Secret Avengers doing, primarily, espionage missions, it's not a stretch of the imagination that they can, and probably will, run into each other somewhere down the line. I know I'm not the only one who thought this could be possible but I'm curious to everyone's opinion. How would it go down? Who would get in who's way? And if it did actually come to blows between the two teams, who would come out on top?

X-Force would easily beat The Secret Avengers..

Rosters please? Location? Morals? Prep?

X-23 vs Cap! Hot! ;-P

I'll say X-Force.

"Rosters please? Location? Morals? Prep? "

" X-Force would easily beat The Secret Avengers.. "

" @mavfan626 said:

" X-Force would easily beat The Secret Avengers.. "

Yeah, no. Four and a half street levelers against Nova and War Machine (both of which are immune to telepathy, so Fantomex's, or Psylocke's misdirection, and telepathy, respectively, goes out of the window).
 
X-Force gets wrecked. "

I love X-force but I have to give this one to the Secret Avengers. Either way it could be an interesting story for sure.

" @Morpheus_ said:

" @mavfan626 said:

" X-Force would easily beat The Secret Avengers.. "

Yeah, no. Four and a half street levelers against Nova and War Machine (both of which are immune to telepathy, so Fantomex's, or Psylocke's misdirection, and telepathy, respectively, goes out of the window).
 
X-Force gets wrecked. "

Resistant or fully immune?  
 
@RavenT2: Can we please get rosters and other info? "

" @The Dark Huntress said:

" @Morpheus_ said:

" @mavfan626 said:

" X-Force would easily beat The Secret Avengers.. "

Yeah, no. Four and a half street levelers against Nova and War Machine (both of which are immune to telepathy, so Fantomex's, or Psylocke's misdirection, and telepathy, respectively, goes out of the window).
 
X-Force gets wrecked. "

Resistant or fully immune?  
 
@RavenT2: Can we please get rosters and other info? "

High resistance to telepathic suggestions for Rhodey, virtual immunity for Nova. 
 
But, really, even if we go by current rosters, without Nova, it's still:
 
Steve Rogers
Sharon Carter
Valkyrie
Black Widow
Ant-Man
War Machine
Shang-Chi
Beast
Prince of Orphans
 
vs X-Force. The only reason I have not locked this, is because I want to give to the OP the opportunity to make it balanced. "

" @Morpheus_: V_V X-Force doesn't have a prayer. OP would either have to add in some pretty powerful players or drastically reduce the Avengers roster.  "

" @mavfan626 said:

" X-Force would easily beat The Secret Avengers.. "

Yeah, no. Four and a half street levelers against Nova and War Machine (both of which are immune to telepathy, so Fantomex's, or Psylocke's misdirection, and telepathy, respectively, goes out of the window).
 
X-Force gets wrecked. "

"Rosters please? Location? Morals? Prep? "

Secret Avengers.

" @mavfan626:Courtesy of Iron Man, he does.
 
Also, the current roster isn't doing anyone any favours. They cannot even touch the Prince of Orphans. "

" @Morpheus_ said:

" @mavfan626:Courtesy of Iron Man, he does.
 
Also, the current roster isn't doing anyone any favours. They cannot even touch the Prince of Orphans. "

This is true. However, can Aman be affected telepathically? I have seen nothing to suggest he can while he is in his mist form, but I have seen nothing to refute it either.  Not that I think it would make much difference. Prince of Orphans could still solo before they get the opportunity to attack. "

" @Silver2467 said:

" @Morpheus_ said:

" @mavfan626:Courtesy of Iron Man, he does.
 
Also, the current roster isn't doing anyone any favours. They cannot even touch the Prince of Orphans. "

This is true. However, can Aman be affected telepathically? I have seen nothing to suggest he can while he is in his mist form, but I have seen nothing to refute it either.  Not that I think it would make much difference. Prince of Orphans could still solo before they get the opportunity to attack. "

I am merely speculating, but I do recall the Ghost being immune to Mister X's ability due to the fact that he was not composed of solid matter at the time. It is simply a theory, but he could potentially avoid telepathy due to his mist form. We cannot know, one way or the other until it is tested, though. 
 
As a sidepoint, Iron Fist has mastered a style that enables him to act instinctively, without thinking (his "drunken style") that enabled him to effectively counter telepathy, and as someone that Danny has recognised as irrefutably superior, John Aman could fall under the same rule. No solid proof about that either, though. Just my thoughts on the matter. "

x force gets pwned easily new or old

" Makes sense. Although, the comparison between Danny and Aman could be debated for the simple fact that their Chi is channeled for very different purposes and the fact that Iron Fist, overall, has more versatility than Prince of Orphans (increased striking power/durability/combat speed, healing, electromagnetic manipulation, the hypnotism ability that Orson taught him, miniature Chi blasts that he used to set Hydra agents on fire, etc.). Also, their difference in source of power may make a difference.   But this is only speculation on my part, as well. "

" @Silver2467 said:

" Makes sense. Although, the comparison between Danny and Aman could be debated for the simple fact that their Chi is channeled for very different purposes and the fact that Iron Fist, overall, has more versatility than Prince of Orphans (increased striking power/durability/combat speed, healing, electromagnetic manipulation, the hypnotism ability that Orson taught him, miniature Chi blasts that he used to set Hydra agents on fire, etc.). Also, their difference in source of power may make a difference.   But this is only speculation on my part, as well. "

Indeed. Each champion of the 7 cities has different skills and powers. I don't believe Danny is necessarily more versatile, we simply perceive him to be so, purely because he is the protagonist, after all. We've seen John turning his body into a portal to the afterlife for the 10000 ghosts he fought at once. He seems to operate on a different scope than Danny, or the rest of the Immortal Weapons. "

" @Morpheus_ said:

" @Silver2467 said:

" Makes sense. Although, the comparison between Danny and Aman could be debated for the simple fact that their Chi is channeled for very different purposes and the fact that Iron Fist, overall, has more versatility than Prince of Orphans (increased striking power/durability/combat speed, healing, electromagnetic manipulation, the hypnotism ability that Orson taught him, miniature Chi blasts that he used to set Hydra agents on fire, etc.). Also, their difference in source of power may make a difference.   But this is only speculation on my part, as well. "

Indeed. Each champion of the 7 cities has different skills and powers. I don't believe Danny is necessarily more versatile, we simply perceive him to be so, purely because he is the protagonist, after all. We've seen John turning his body into a portal to the afterlife for the 10000 ghosts he fought at once. He seems to operate on a different scope than Danny, or the rest of the Immortal Weapons. "

True enough, although, to be fair, I never even listed all of Rand's abilities. There are others I neglected to mention (like his ability to charge projectiles). I was simply commenting based on what I know about the two of them. That being said, I admittedly have never read Immortal Weapons, but I want to. I need to read about each of the other Immortal Weapons for myself, and aside from Danny, Prince of Orphans is my favorite out of the seven of them. So I'm interested in his part of that series. "

" @Silver2467 said:

" @Morpheus_ said:

" @Silver2467 said:

" Makes sense. Although, the comparison between Danny and Aman could be debated for the simple fact that their Chi is channeled for very different purposes and the fact that Iron Fist, overall, has more versatility than Prince of Orphans (increased striking power/durability/combat speed, healing, electromagnetic manipulation, the hypnotism ability that Orson taught him, miniature Chi blasts that he used to set Hydra agents on fire, etc.). Also, their difference in source of power may make a difference.   But this is only speculation on my part, as well. "

Indeed. Each champion of the 7 cities has different skills and powers. I don't believe Danny is necessarily more versatile, we simply perceive him to be so, purely because he is the protagonist, after all. We've seen John turning his body into a portal to the afterlife for the 10000 ghosts he fought at once. He seems to operate on a different scope than Danny, or the rest of the Immortal Weapons. "

True enough, although, to be fair, I never even listed all of Rand's abilities. There are others I neglected to mention (like his ability to charge projectiles). I was simply commenting based on what I know about the two of them. That being said, I admittedly have never read Immortal Weapons, but I want to. I need to read about each of the other Immortal Weapons for myself, and aside from Danny, Prince of Orphans is my favorite out of the seven of them. So I'm interested in his part of that series. "

The Immortal Weapons was a 5 issue mini with each issue focusing on the five lesser known weapons (excluding Danny, and Davos). Issue 5 focuses on the Prince (it is during that issue where Danny pulls off the much commented dragon defeating feat), and along with Fat Cobra's entry, it is the best issue of that series. "

I am merely speculating, but I do recall the Ghost being immune to Mister X's ability due to the fact that he was not composed of solid matter at the time. It is simply a theory, but he could potentially avoid telepathy due to his mist form. We cannot know, one way or the other until it is tested, though. 
 
As a sidepoint, Iron Fist has mastered a style that enables him to act instinctively, without thinking (his "drunken style") that enabled him to effectively counter telepathy, and as someone that Danny has recognised as irrefutably superior, John Aman could fall under the same rule. No solid proof about that either, though. Just my thoughts on the matter. "

" @Morpheus_ said:

I am merely speculating, but I do recall the Ghost being immune to Mister X's ability due to the fact that he was not composed of solid matter at the time. It is simply a theory, but he could potentially avoid telepathy due to his mist form. We cannot know, one way or the other until it is tested, though. 
 
As a sidepoint, Iron Fist has mastered a style that enables him to act instinctively, without thinking (his "drunken style") that enabled him to effectively counter telepathy, and as someone that Danny has recognised as irrefutably superior, John Aman could fall under the same rule. No solid proof about that either, though. Just my thoughts on the matter. "

Ghost was immune from Mister X's Telepath but not sound.. (eg: Deadpool used a sound device that temperately disabled Ghost) Couldn't Fantomax used his power to get out of the mist form?   "

" X-Force would easily beat The Secret Avengers.. "

"@mavfan626 said:

" X-Force would easily beat The Secret Avengers.. "

I agree but I don't think that will happen. As it seems the secret avengers are dealing with more practical matters on the other hand x-force thus far are after missions that affect mutantkind generally. It would be cool to see them one against the other,it'll be bloody hell! "

" @The Dark Huntress said:

" @Morpheus_ said:

" @mavfan626 said:

" X-Force would easily beat The Secret Avengers.. "

Yeah, no. Four and a half street levelers against Nova and War Machine (both of which are immune to telepathy, so Fantomex's, or Psylocke's misdirection, and telepathy, respectively, goes out of the window).
 
X-Force gets wrecked. "

Resistant or fully immune?  
 
@RavenT2: Can we please get rosters and other info? "

High resistance to telepathic suggestions for Rhodey, virtual immunity for Nova. 
 
But, really, even if we go by current rosters, without Nova, it's still:
 
Steve Rogers
Sharon Carter
Valkyrie
Black Widow
Ant-Man
War Machine
Shang-Chi
Beast
Prince of Orphans
 
vs X-Force. The only reason I have not locked this, is because I want to give to the OP the opportunity to make it balanced. "

The Secret Avengers

" @Morpheus_: My apoligies , didn't see that you corrected yourself "

"
-Force roster: Wolverine, X-23, Warpath , Deadpool
Secret Avengers roster: Steve Rogers, Black Widow, Moon Knight, Beast, Shang-Chi 
 
 
Give that a shot instead.  Also, provide gear for them.  For example: 
 
Wolverine - current
X-23 - current
Warpath - twin vibranium knives 
Deadpool - twin katanas
 
Steve Roger - shield Black Widow - wrist guns, pistols, grappling line, smoke grenades, flashbangs Moon Knight- current armor/gear Beast - unarmed Shang-Chi - basic melee weapons (bo-staff, nunchaku)     "

X-Force 

"
-Force roster: Wolverine, X-23, Warpath , Deadpool
Secret Avengers roster: Steve Rogers, Black Widow, Moon Knight, Beast, Shang-Chi 
 
 
Give that a shot instead.  Also, provide gear for them.  For example: 
 
Wolverine - current
X-23 - current
Warpath - twin vibranium knives 
Deadpool - twin katanas
 
Steve Roger - shield Black Widow - wrist guns, pistols, grappling line, smoke grenades, flashbangs Moon Knight- current armor/gear Beast - unarmed Shang-Chi - basic melee weapons (bo-staff, nunchaku)     "

" @The Dark Huntress: 
Rosters and other info, ok, sure.
How about this:
X-Force roster: Wolverine, X-23, Fantomex, Warpath, Psylocke, Archangel, Domino, Deadpool
Secret Avengers roster: Steve Rogers, Black Widow, War Machine, Nova, Valkyrie, Moon Knight, Beast, Shang-Chi
 
Setting:
X-Force is after a mutant threat (i.e. Apocalypse or someone like that) and are looking to kill him while the Secret Avengers need him alive to prevent another crisis. Couple that with Beast never liking the fact that X-force even existed and you have a fight on your hands.
 
Place:
Let's say... Canada, somewhere. Don't ask me why.
 
Morals: X-force is by no means trying to go up against the Secret Avengers but they won't stop simply because they are in the way. The Secret Avengers don't want to fight X-Force but they need the mutant alive and Beast wants to teach Wolverine a little lesson about secrets. "

" @k4tzm4n said:

"
-Force roster: Wolverine, X-23, Warpath , Deadpool
Secret Avengers roster: Steve Rogers, Black Widow, Moon Knight, Beast, Shang-Chi 
 
 
Give that a shot instead.  Also, provide gear for them.  For example: 
 
Wolverine - current
X-23 - current
Warpath - twin vibranium knives 
Deadpool - twin katanas
 
Steve Roger - shield Black Widow - wrist guns, pistols, grappling line, smoke grenades, flashbangs Moon Knight- current armor/gear Beast - unarmed Shang-Chi - basic melee weapons (bo-staff, nunchaku)     "

This and X-Foce Wins. "