agreed. also, let me just say how awesome of a character Hulk is that we can put lots of characters in battles against him. He and Thor(to a lesser extent) are always put in battles with lots of people. Ive thought about doing some with a lot of marvel characters vs Superman but it wouldnt be fair cause superman is too fast. Hulk is pretty awesome.
Hulk is a good character, but the problem is that people think that because of WWH that he can beat anyone if he's at that level. But, WWH was full of PIS like when Dr Strange (Zom amped) decides to stop fighting him and gets pounded, or when Sentry decides it'd be fun to let Hulk smash him in the face over and over, or when Ghost Rider just turns around and leaves, or how no one thought to BFR him even thought Hulk cant fly.
@ghostravage: I don't get what is so hard to understand? Zom strange stopped fighting him or chasing him when he was concerned about the people and Hulk just so happened to be there and punch him. Strange stopped fighting him. There is no way around him and it's just a fight people use to overglorify Hulk. It's pis and if you don't want to accept it then there is little reason to continue while you blow stuff out of context.
Kingdom Come is not canon, and was just a possible future in DC, people really need to stop using that in Citizen Steel fights unless he's specifically selected for the fight... Unless Citizen Steel is shown to have strength above a skyfather in canon, your point is moot. And this version of Hulk would outmaneuver him.
Obsidian doesn't solo the Hulk, because the Hulk can emit gamma energy, you know that green stuff that can pours or explodes out of him. As it's been shown the Madder he gets the more he outputs. Enough to move an entire eastern seaboard, that alone is greater than what's been shown of Kyle and Alan Scott when they faced off with Obsidian.. so no Obsidian doesn't solo.
Jesse Quick and Stargirl have nothing that would really affect Hulk, Jesse would most likely be oneshotted.
Atom Smasher would be a good fight but Hulk outclasses him. Him super punching Black Adam, and Adam laughing it off, isn't a good indicator that he can really hang with Hulk.
Cyclone, Hawkman, and Hourman is also a non-factors
Kingdom Come is in pre-new 52 continuity in another universe,more precisely on Earth-22. Read Geoff John's JSA run,especially Thy Kingdom Come that would support anything related to it. You can't argue against DC creative chief...
Gamma Radiation doesn't affect Obsidian,because he could just BFR any energy attack Hulk shoots to another dimension,moreover Obsidian is feed not only by darkness,but also of bad emotions such anger,hate....not to mention he can control people via the darkness hidden in their hearts (bad emotions). Hulk have nothing that superpass Obsidian,he soloed the Hordes of Hell (Controlled by Neron,Hell Lord) and also take over the entire world once. Obsidian took a planetary energy blast made by Alan Scott without being killed.
Jesse Quick isn't stronger as the other members,but she's faster than any of them. Reciting that math equation ,which is the math equation of the speedforce,she's faster as the Flash. Stargirl's staff take powers from the stars.
I remember that instance between Atom Smasher and Black Adam and you're trying to misleading eveyone. Both are held captive by Roulette put into a rena to fight,but both are powerless due Null a metahuman capable to nulified the powers of any metahuman,even without his powers he's slightest stronger and durable than Atom Smasher.
Hawkman can took severe punishments from powerhouses like Black Adam and keep fighting
yes another universe just like 1 million universe, however it's not the canon universe version, hence it's not the same person but a possible future version of that person. Same as any alternate universe version, so you still can't attribute his feats to the canon version. So the Feats are still are not valid. As the thread rules state, if no version is indicated you use the current or latest version. That's not kingdom Come.
Gamma radiation blast, with enough force that can actually destroy a world, and shift tectonic plates with no effort at all. And although Alan scott is powerful with full starheart, regular old Alan Scott and Kyle Ryner (especially in their confrontation with Osbidian) are no where near as powerful as WWH when he unleashes his power. No one said anything about it killing Obsidian, nor does it state that has to be the case for a win in the OP, you're speculating too much. Hulk has destroyed both nightcrawler (Incredible Hulk #126) and tore apart nightmare dimension two places that feed off of Darkness (Incredible Hulk #299), hulk is so powerful he could apply force to space time continuum with his punches (Incredible Hulk #135) and those were the savage hulk version very doubtful Obsidian would hold this version much less be able to contend with him.
Not only was Hulk able to keep matter and anti-matter apart with his bare hands but he was able to send it in orbit to the point the attraction between the two was cancelled (Marvel Team-Up Annual#2). Nothing Citizen Steel, or Atom Smasher has done shows that amount of strength, or physically being able to withstand enough force to move a planet out of orbit (Tales to Astonish#89) and keep going. Those feats alone from Hulk dwarf anything anyone can output on this JSA team.
Faster doesn't help Jesse Quick in this fight, his amped reaction would tag her or he could just destroy the environment, which would affect her speed, or a Gamma powered thunderclap (i believe this would also affect citizen steel as well), would K.O most of the people on the team with little to no effort.
No i am not misleading anyone, because the instance you are referring to isn't the one i'm referring to. And they did have their powers. Atom Smasher mad at BA punches him out of the house the two were standing him sending him flying Black Atom shows back up in the window asks him if he got his anger out (i'm paraphrasing) didn't seem affecting by this punch at all. And Atom Smasher was angry at BA.
Hawkman was beaten to a pulp by BA, Hulk is way stronger than BA. Hawkman is no factor at all here, his wings would be ripped off and pimped slapped out of commission.
yes another universe just like 1 million universe, however it's not the canon universe version, hence it's not the same person but a possible future version of that person. Same as any alternate universe version, so you still can't attribute his feats to the canon version. So the Feats are still are not valid. As the thread rules state, if no version is indicated you use the current or latest version. That's not kingdom Come.
What are you talking about? What does this fight have to do with Kingdom Come??
I love it, just because members post that a team that consists of three planetary level (or greater) threats and a couple of continental level ones can win against Hulk they must hate the character. Real mature.
Gamma radiation blast, with enough force that can actually destroy a world, and shift tectonic plates with no effort at all.
Damge absorbed the type of energy that can and did end the existence of a universe and you give us a planetary level threat as a counter. Not cutting it.
And although Alan scott is powerful with full starheart, regular old Alan Scott and Kyle Ryner (especially in their confrontation with Osbidian) are no where near as powerful as WWH when he unleashes his power.
Regular Alan Scot has shown on hundreds of occasions multiversal level power without the Starheart upgrade. In underworld Unleashed when a rift in the fabric of the universe threatened all existence he closed it from all sides. As far back as the SA he was able to defeat Krona while disembodied who had defeated the entire Guardians of the Universe. Besides which the instance your talking about they couldn't beat Obsidian. He laughed at them as he left toying with them. Kyle has contained a black hole with his ring and Alan has closed an energy fissure that threatened multiple universes and they couldn't beat Obsidian. Great feat to offer dude.
No one said anything about it killing Obsidian, nor does it state that has to be the case for a win in the OP, you're speculating too much. Hulk has destroyed both nightcrawler (Incredible Hulk #126) and tore apart nightmare dimension two places that feed off of Darkness (Incredible Hulk #299),
Both of which had a physical nature and interact in a physical way with the real world. In his shadow form Obsidian doesn't. Yes Hulk doesn't have to kill him but since there is no way to even KO or BFR what the hell else does he have??
No i am not misleading anyone, because the instance you are referring to isn't the one i'm referring to. And they did have their powers. Atom Smasher mad at BA punches him out of the house the two were standing him sending him flying Black Atom shows back up in the window asks him if he got his anger out (i'm paraphrasing) didn't seem affecting by this punch at all. And Atom Smasher was angry at BA.
You are missleading because you have combined two separate instances nearly a dozen issues apart into on. The reaction of Adam when Al punched him through the roof in JSA 27 was this.
Hardly laughing it off, he was pissed as hell and ready for Blood.
Atom Smasher isn't even in this thread it's Damage who is more powerful by quite a bit. AS is about a 70 to 80 tonner at normal height but because he can alter his molecular density and his mass can hit with a lot more force that that when he needs to. The image your thinking of BA outside a window was around 52 leading into WWIII when BA came to recruit Al and even showed in his thought balloons that he could sense All increasing his mass ready to strike. Damage could clean Atom Smashers clock several times over since his strength is simply dependent on the amount of energy he absorbs. Hulk get stronger when he get's madder well Damage get's stronger the more energy he can drain and he has a perfect power source in Hulk's freakin Gamma Radiation. Guess that means games over.
Hawkman was beaten to a pulp by BA, Hulk is way stronger than BA. Hawkman is no factor at all here, his wings would be ripped off and pimped slapped out of commission.
Hawkman was beaten pretty badly but he wasn't finished off hardly "put out of commission" (courtesy of his healing factor that the Nth metal gives him).
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After 8 pages of a pissed of BA (at WWIII levels no less) pounding on him, Hawkman still gets back up and goes off fro back up. Great example of why Hulk also wont finish the Hawk.
No there's no out of context remarks/ feats in any of your posts at all.
Kingdom Come is not canon, and was just a possible future in DC, people really need to stop using that in Citizen Steel fights unless he's specifically selected for the fight... Unless Citizen Steel is shown to have strength above a skyfather in canon, your point is moot. And this version of Hulk would outmaneuver him.
Obsidian doesn't solo the Hulk, because the Hulk can emit gamma energy, you know that green stuff that can pours or explodes out of him. As it's been shown the Madder he gets the more he outputs. Enough to move an entire eastern seaboard, that alone is greater than what's been shown of Kyle and Alan Scott when they faced off with Obsidian.. so no Obsidian doesn't solo.
Jesse Quick and Stargirl have nothing that would really affect Hulk, Jesse would most likely be oneshotted.
Atom Smasher would be a good fight but Hulk outclasses him. Him super punching Black Adam, and Adam laughing it off, isn't a good indicator that he can really hang with Hulk.
Cyclone, Hawkman, and Hourman is also a non-factors
Kingdom Come is in pre-new 52 continuity in another universe,more precisely on Earth-22. Read Geoff John's JSA run,especially Thy Kingdom Come that would support anything related to it. You can't argue against DC creative chief...
Gamma Radiation doesn't affect Obsidian,because he could just BFR any energy attack Hulk shoots to another dimension,moreover Obsidian is feed not only by darkness,but also of bad emotions such anger,hate....not to mention he can control people via the darkness hidden in their hearts (bad emotions). Hulk have nothing that superpass Obsidian,he soloed the Hordes of Hell (Controlled by Neron,Hell Lord) and also take over the entire world once. Obsidian took a planetary energy blast made by Alan Scott without being killed.
Jesse Quick isn't stronger as the other members,but she's faster than any of them. Reciting that math equation ,which is the math equation of the speedforce,she's faster as the Flash. Stargirl's staff take powers from the stars.
I remember that instance between Atom Smasher and Black Adam and you're trying to misleading eveyone. Both are held captive by Roulette put into a rena to fight,but both are powerless due Null a metahuman capable to nulified the powers of any metahuman,even without his powers he's slightest stronger and durable than Atom Smasher.
Hawkman can took severe punishments from powerhouses like Black Adam and keep fighting
yes another universe just like 1 million universe, however it's not the canon universe version, hence it's not the same person but a possible future version of that person. Same as any alternate universe version, so you still can't attribute his feats to the canon version. So the Feats are still are not valid. As the thread rules state, if no version is indicated you use the current or latest version. That's not kingdom Come.
Gamma radiation blast, with enough force that can actually destroy a world, and shift tectonic plates with no effort at all. And although Alan scott is powerful with full starheart, regular old Alan Scott and Kyle Ryner (especially in their confrontation with Osbidian) are no where near as powerful as WWH when he unleashes his power. No one said anything about it killing Obsidian, nor does it state that has to be the case for a win in the OP, you're speculating too much. Hulk has destroyed both nightcrawler (Incredible Hulk #126) and tore apart nightmare dimension two places that feed off of Darkness (Incredible Hulk #299), hulk is so powerful he could apply force to space time continuum with his punches (Incredible Hulk #135) and those were the savage hulk version very doubtful Obsidian would hold this version much less be able to contend with him.
Not only was Hulk able to keep matter and anti-matter apart with his bare hands but he was able to send it in orbit to the point the attraction between the two was cancelled (Marvel Team-Up Annual#2). Nothing Citizen Steel, or Atom Smasher has done shows that amount of strength, or physically being able to withstand enough force to move a planet out of orbit (Tales to Astonish#89) and keep going. Those feats alone from Hulk dwarf anything anyone can output on this JSA team.
Faster doesn't help Jesse Quick in this fight, his amped reaction would tag her or he could just destroy the environment, which would affect her speed, or a Gamma powered thunderclap (i believe this would also affect citizen steel as well), would K.O most of the people on the team with little to no effort.
No i am not misleading anyone, because the instance you are referring to isn't the one i'm referring to. And they did have their powers. Atom Smasher mad at BA punches him out of the house the two were standing him sending him flying Black Atom shows back up in the window asks him if he got his anger out (i'm paraphrasing) didn't seem affecting by this punch at all. And Atom Smasher was angry at BA.
Hawkman was beaten to a pulp by BA, Hulk is way stronger than BA. Hawkman is no factor at all here, his wings would be ripped off and pimped slapped out of commission.
You don't even know what saying.
Kingdom Come Superman isn't an alternate future of Superman sinecGeoff John's JSA run. Is another version of him that came from another Universe as Ultraman,Superboy-Prime and he came to New Earth via a black hole created by Starman,so this is pre-new 52 version of the character. I'm not giving any feats from Kingdom Come stroyline characaters to any members of the Justice Society,only cited pre-new 52 feats.
Make yourself a favour and read more comics,also pay attention to wht people saying.
Alan Scott makes a planetary blast without being at full power (Kyle Rayner wasn't in full power either),even without full power he's capable to match with Guardian of the Universe,but generally he's holding back. (Comics) Gamma radiation can destroy a planet,but it doesn't matter due Obsidian being immune to most of energy attacks,only mystical and comics energies can actually harm him....this is why Alan Scott and Kyle Rayner managed to battled him. Hulk has no way to beat him.
Where Hulk fight soemeone fast as the Flash? Never. Quicksilver doesn't count since he can't even being compared to any version of Kid Flash,she faster enought to dodge any attack. Thunderclap to knocked down Citizen Steel? Something that even Gog (William Matthews) that humiliated KC Superman (pre-new 52 version),Amazing Man and Superman? Gog tried to do it and he was impressed Steel didn't fall,then Steel just punch him away.
I love it, just because members post that a team that consists of three planetary level (or greater) threats and a couple of continental level ones can win against Hulk they must hate the character. Real mature.
Gamma radiation blast, with enough force that can actually destroy a world, and shift tectonic plates with no effort at all.
Damge absorbed the type of energy that can and did end the existence of a universe and you give us a planetary level threat as a counter. Not cutting it.
And although Alan scott is powerful with full starheart, regular old Alan Scott and Kyle Ryner (especially in their confrontation with Osbidian) are no where near as powerful as WWH when he unleashes his power.
Regular Alan Scot has shown on hundreds of occasions multiversal level power without the Starheart upgrade. In underworld Unleashed when a rift in the fabric of the universe threatened all existence he closed it from all sides. As far back as the SA he was able to defeat Krona while disembodied who had defeated the entire Guardians of the Universe. Besides which the instance your talking about they couldn't beat Obsidian. He laughed at them as he left toying with them. Kyle has contained a black hole with his ring and Alan has closed an energy fissure that threatened multiple universes and they couldn't beat Obsidian. Great feat to offer dude.
No one said anything about it killing Obsidian, nor does it state that has to be the case for a win in the OP, you're speculating too much. Hulk has destroyed both nightcrawler (Incredible Hulk #126) and tore apart nightmare dimension two places that feed off of Darkness (Incredible Hulk #299),
Both of which had a physical nature and interact in a physical way with the real world. In his shadow form Obsidian doesn't. Yes Hulk doesn't have to kill him but since there is no way to even KO or BFR what the hell else does he have??
No i am not misleading anyone, because the instance you are referring to isn't the one i'm referring to. And they did have their powers. Atom Smasher mad at BA punches him out of the house the two were standing him sending him flying Black Atom shows back up in the window asks him if he got his anger out (i'm paraphrasing) didn't seem affecting by this punch at all. And Atom Smasher was angry at BA.
You are missleading because you have combined two separate instances nearly a dozen issues apart into on. The reaction of Adam when Al punched him through the roof in JSA 27 was this.
Hardly laughing it off, he was pissed as hell and ready for Blood.
Atom Smasher isn't even in this thread it's Damage who is more powerful by quite a bit. AS is about a 70 to 80 tonner at normal height but because he can alter his molecular density and his mass can hit with a lot more force that that when he needs to. The image your thinking of BA outside a window was around 52 leading into WWIII when BA came to recruit Al and even showed in his thought balloons that he could sense All increasing his mass ready to strike. Damage could clean Atom Smashers clock several times over since his strength is simply dependent on the amount of energy he absorbs. Hulk get stronger when he get's madder well Damage get's stronger the more energy he can drain and he has a perfect power source in Hulk's freakin Gamma Radiation. Guess that means games over.
Hawkman was beaten to a pulp by BA, Hulk is way stronger than BA. Hawkman is no factor at all here, his wings would be ripped off and pimped slapped out of commission.
Hawkman was beaten pretty badly but he wasn't finished off hardly "put out of commission" (courtesy of his healing factor that the Nth metal gives him).
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After 8 pages of a pissed of BA (at WWIII levels no less) pounding on him, Hawkman still gets back up and goes off fro back up. Great example of why Hulk also wont finish the Hawk.
No there's no out of context remarks/ feats in any of your posts at all.
I never said you were misleading anyone, you were saying i was misleading people... Mixing instances up is not misleading people it's called an honest mistake, it happens. But you still missed the point, Adam may not have been actually laughing the hit off but he surely wasn't hurt by it to a point where it really affected him. That was the point.
Dimensions are not purely physical in nature, nor is space-time, not all energy is physical in nature either, it depends on how it's applied. So i don't really understand that statement.
No one is talking about Silver Age anything, because the Silver Age was retconned with Crisis... I said a regular basis... clearly you didn't understand what i meant when i said that. When Alan Scott and Kyle fought obsidian they didn't you use any powers above what Hulk could output, they were throwing green angels and tigers at him.. so please give me a break with talking about multiversal stunts. They don't use it in battle so it's not really relevant to what i said.
Ah i see i confused those two all the time Atom Smasher and Damage. So you have poof that he can absorb gamma radiation, and as much as the Hulk can output?
I love it, just because members post that a team that consists of three planetary level (or greater) threats and a couple of continental level ones can win against Hulk they must hate the character. Real mature.
Gamma radiation blast, with enough force that can actually destroy a world, and shift tectonic plates with no effort at all.
Damge absorbed the type of energy that can and did end the existence of a universe and you give us a planetary level threat as a counter. Not cutting it.
And although Alan scott is powerful with full starheart, regular old Alan Scott and Kyle Ryner (especially in their confrontation with Osbidian) are no where near as powerful as WWH when he unleashes his power.
Regular Alan Scot has shown on hundreds of occasions multiversal level power without the Starheart upgrade. In underworld Unleashed when a rift in the fabric of the universe threatened all existence he closed it from all sides. As far back as the SA he was able to defeat Krona while disembodied who had defeated the entire Guardians of the Universe. Besides which the instance your talking about they couldn't beat Obsidian. He laughed at them as he left toying with them. Kyle has contained a black hole with his ring and Alan has closed an energy fissure that threatened multiple universes and they couldn't beat Obsidian. Great feat to offer dude.
No one said anything about it killing Obsidian, nor does it state that has to be the case for a win in the OP, you're speculating too much. Hulk has destroyed both nightcrawler (Incredible Hulk #126) and tore apart nightmare dimension two places that feed off of Darkness (Incredible Hulk #299),
Both of which had a physical nature and interact in a physical way with the real world. In his shadow form Obsidian doesn't. Yes Hulk doesn't have to kill him but since there is no way to even KO or BFR what the hell else does he have??
No i am not misleading anyone, because the instance you are referring to isn't the one i'm referring to. And they did have their powers. Atom Smasher mad at BA punches him out of the house the two were standing him sending him flying Black Atom shows back up in the window asks him if he got his anger out (i'm paraphrasing) didn't seem affecting by this punch at all. And Atom Smasher was angry at BA.
You are missleading because you have combined two separate instances nearly a dozen issues apart into on. The reaction of Adam when Al punched him through the roof in JSA 27 was this.
Hardly laughing it off, he was pissed as hell and ready for Blood.
Atom Smasher isn't even in this thread it's Damage who is more powerful by quite a bit. AS is about a 70 to 80 tonner at normal height but because he can alter his molecular density and his mass can hit with a lot more force that that when he needs to. The image your thinking of BA outside a window was around 52 leading into WWIII when BA came to recruit Al and even showed in his thought balloons that he could sense All increasing his mass ready to strike. Damage could clean Atom Smashers clock several times over since his strength is simply dependent on the amount of energy he absorbs. Hulk get stronger when he get's madder well Damage get's stronger the more energy he can drain and he has a perfect power source in Hulk's freakin Gamma Radiation. Guess that means games over.
Hawkman was beaten to a pulp by BA, Hulk is way stronger than BA. Hawkman is no factor at all here, his wings would be ripped off and pimped slapped out of commission.
Hawkman was beaten pretty badly but he wasn't finished off hardly "put out of commission" (courtesy of his healing factor that the Nth metal gives him).
Gallery
After 8 pages of a pissed of BA (at WWIII levels no less) pounding on him, Hawkman still gets back up and goes off fro back up. Great example of why Hulk also wont finish the Hawk.
No there's no out of context remarks/ feats in any of your posts at all.
I never said you were misleading anyone, you were saying i was misleading people... Mixing instances up is not misleading people it's called an honest mistake, it happens. But you still missed the point, Adam may not have been actually laughing the hit off but he surely wasn't hurt by it to a point where it really affected him. That was the point.
Dimensions are not purely physical in nature, nor is space-time, not all energy is physical in nature either, it depends on how it's applied. So i don't really understand that statement.
No one is talking about Silver Age anything, because the Silver Age was retconned with Crisis... I said a regular basis... clearly you didn't understand what i meant when i said that. When Alan Scott and Kyle fought obsidian they didn't you use any powers above what Hulk could output, they were throwing green angels and tigers at him.. so please give me a break with talking about multiversal stunts. They don't use it in battle so it's not really relevant to what i said.
Ah i see i confused those two all the time Atom Smasher and Damage. So you have poof that he can absorb gamma radiation, and as much as the Hulk can output? But this is a moot point, Hulk would continue to amp up to match and surpass him in fighting. He could also BFR his into a different state without using his gamma energy.
@matchesmalone21 said: What you stated in your first paragraph contradicts the point you are trying to make. Earth 1 & Earth 2 superman are not the same person hence their feats at different same with Superman prime, or Black Superman etc etc.. to infinity.
First of all Hulk's powers are extra-dimensional or inter-dimensional depending on the text you read, so it's not just your typical gamma radiation. Secondly Hulk has countered mystical and magical powers before with his powers easily. Nightcrawler and Nightmare are amped in their realms to the point of almost being skyfather as well as reality warpers well above that of obsidian . Hulk has hurt the Juggernaut with his unstoppable spell, he has no problem countering magics of any kind. His powers have been compared by the watcher as a elemental force. So again don't believe Obsidian is as much a factor as you are making him out to be.
Magog blew over some trees, Hulk's Thunderclap has destroyed dimensions and entire cities. You are trying to compare him with someone with no feats in that book really, and the book is invalid to begin with. Secondly, Hulk thunderclap has taken whole teams down before, X-men, Avengers, FF... Do you have anything that says Citizen Steel can resist sonic attacks?
Can Jesse move at the speed of light yeah, however she nor any flash ever starts out that way, they build up to it. And going the speed of light would be pointless because she would get sucked into the speedforce. So she would always be well under light speed, Secondly, Hulk reaction and speed are amped with his anger he should not have a problem tagging her, especially if he did one of his 360 degree thunderclaps. She wouldn't even know to avoid it.
I love it, just because members post that a team that consists of three planetary level (or greater) threats and a couple of continental level ones can win against Hulk they must hate the character. Real mature.
Gamma radiation blast, with enough force that can actually destroy a world, and shift tectonic plates with no effort at all.
Damge absorbed the type of energy that can and did end the existence of a universe and you give us a planetary level threat as a counter. Not cutting it.
And although Alan scott is powerful with full starheart, regular old Alan Scott and Kyle Ryner (especially in their confrontation with Osbidian) are no where near as powerful as WWH when he unleashes his power.
Regular Alan Scot has shown on hundreds of occasions multiversal level power without the Starheart upgrade. In underworld Unleashed when a rift in the fabric of the universe threatened all existence he closed it from all sides. As far back as the SA he was able to defeat Krona while disembodied who had defeated the entire Guardians of the Universe. Besides which the instance your talking about they couldn't beat Obsidian. He laughed at them as he left toying with them. Kyle has contained a black hole with his ring and Alan has closed an energy fissure that threatened multiple universes and they couldn't beat Obsidian. Great feat to offer dude.
No one said anything about it killing Obsidian, nor does it state that has to be the case for a win in the OP, you're speculating too much. Hulk has destroyed both nightcrawler (Incredible Hulk #126) and tore apart nightmare dimension two places that feed off of Darkness (Incredible Hulk #299),
Both of which had a physical nature and interact in a physical way with the real world. In his shadow form Obsidian doesn't. Yes Hulk doesn't have to kill him but since there is no way to even KO or BFR what the hell else does he have??
No i am not misleading anyone, because the instance you are referring to isn't the one i'm referring to. And they did have their powers. Atom Smasher mad at BA punches him out of the house the two were standing him sending him flying Black Atom shows back up in the window asks him if he got his anger out (i'm paraphrasing) didn't seem affecting by this punch at all. And Atom Smasher was angry at BA.
You are missleading because you have combined two separate instances nearly a dozen issues apart into on. The reaction of Adam when Al punched him through the roof in JSA 27 was this.
Hardly laughing it off, he was pissed as hell and ready for Blood.
Atom Smasher isn't even in this thread it's Damage who is more powerful by quite a bit. AS is about a 70 to 80 tonner at normal height but because he can alter his molecular density and his mass can hit with a lot more force that that when he needs to. The image your thinking of BA outside a window was around 52 leading into WWIII when BA came to recruit Al and even showed in his thought balloons that he could sense All increasing his mass ready to strike. Damage could clean Atom Smashers clock several times over since his strength is simply dependent on the amount of energy he absorbs. Hulk get stronger when he get's madder well Damage get's stronger the more energy he can drain and he has a perfect power source in Hulk's freakin Gamma Radiation. Guess that means games over.
Hawkman was beaten to a pulp by BA, Hulk is way stronger than BA. Hawkman is no factor at all here, his wings would be ripped off and pimped slapped out of commission.
Hawkman was beaten pretty badly but he wasn't finished off hardly "put out of commission" (courtesy of his healing factor that the Nth metal gives him).
Gallery
After 8 pages of a pissed of BA (at WWIII levels no less) pounding on him, Hawkman still gets back up and goes off fro back up. Great example of why Hulk also wont finish the Hawk.
No there's no out of context remarks/ feats in any of your posts at all.
I never said you were misleading anyone, you were saying i was misleading people... Mixing instances up is not misleading people it's called an honest mistake, it happens. But you still missed the point, Adam may not have been actually laughing the hit off but he surely wasn't hurt by it to a point where it really affected him. That was the point.
Dimensions are not purely physical in nature, nor is space-time, not all energy is physical in nature either, it depends on how it's applied. So i don't really understand that statement.
No one is talking about Silver Age anything, because the Silver Age was retconned with Crisis... I said a regular basis... clearly you didn't understand what i meant when i said that. When Alan Scott and Kyle fought obsidian they didn't you use any powers above what Hulk could output, they were throwing green angels and tigers at him.. so please give me a break with talking about multiversal stunts. They don't use it in battle so it's not really relevant to what i said.
Ah i see i confused those two all the time Atom Smasher and Damage. So you have poof that he can absorb gamma radiation, and as much as the Hulk can output? But this is a moot point, Hulk would continue to amp up to match and surpass him in fighting. He could also BFR his into a different state without using his gamma energy.
@matchesmalone21 said: What you stated in your first paragraph contradicts the point you are trying to make. Earth 1 & Earth 2 superman are not the same person hence their feats at different same with Superman prime, or Black Superman etc etc.. to infinity.
First of all Hulk's powers are extra-dimensional or inter-dimensional depending on the text you read, so it's not just your typical gamma radiation. Secondly Hulk has countered mystical and magical powers before with his powers easily. Nightcrawler and Nightmare are amped in their realms to the point of almost being skyfather as well as reality warpers well above that of obsidian . Hulk has hurt the Juggernaut with his unstoppable spell, he has no problem countering magics of any kind. His powers have been compared by the watcher as a elemental force. So again don't believe Obsidian is as much a factor as you are making him out to be.
Magog blew over some trees, Hulk's Thunderclap has destroyed dimensions and entire cities. You are trying to compare him with someone with no feats in that book really, and the book is invalid to begin with. Secondly, Hulk thunderclap has taken whole teams down before, X-men, Avengers, FF... Do you have anything that says Citizen Steel can resist sonic attacks?
Can Jesse move at the speed of light yeah, however she nor any flash ever starts out that way, they build up to it. And going the speed of light would be pointless because she would get sucked into the speedforce. So she would always be well under light speed, Secondly, Hulk reaction and speed are amped with his anger he should not have a problem tagging her, especially if he did one of his 360 degree thunderclaps. She wouldn't even know to avoid it.
Thy Kingdom Come happens is in continuity (JSA 9 to 18) ,you don't know anything about Dc Comics timeline or even stroylines. Classic Kingdom Come storyline is placed on Earth-22,Geoff Johns have stated this and you can't argue with him,more than you wanted..
I said only mystical beings or cosmic can harm Obsidian and Hulk isn't any of them. You just point out feats that doesn't have nothing to do with him,@beatboks1 already demonstrated with scans (look to page 2 and 3) why Hulk can't defeat him. Hulk can destroy the dimension,but would be still unable to kill Obsidian.
Independent of his anger Hulk isn't a light speedster and never will be,he never demonstrated such speed and you're only talking nosense without prove,without scans. Is beyond being biased,is fanboyism.
Damage have absorbed the enrgies from Spectre, Parallax , Wave Rider and various heroes and finally defeats Parallax who has not only spent most of his energy re-constructing DC continuity but also has just fought Spectre.
First time i've even responded to you so when did I say such a thing
No one is talking about Silver Age anything, because the Silver Age was retconned with Crisis
Unfortunately the story I referenced has been referenced post COIE several times, so is still canon.
I said a regular basis... clearly you didn't understand what i meant when i said that.
He does use that level of power on a regular basis, that was my whole point. That's why I said Hundreds of times. Obviously you also didn't understand what I meant.
When Alan Scott and Kyle fought obsidian they didn't you use any powers above what Hulk could output, they were throwing green angels and tigers at him.. so please give me a break with talking about multiversal stunts.
And they freakin LOST. The only time that Alan has defeated Obsidian is when he has pulled out feats above Hulk. Why you would even mention repeatedly a battle that they couldn't win (two of them with power on his level) as evidence of anything is beyond me.
Ah i see i confused those two all the time Atom Smasher and Damage. So you have poof that he can absorb gamma radiation, and as much as the Hulk can output? But this is a moot point, Hulk would continue to amp up to match and surpass him in fighting. He could also BFR his into a different state without using his gamma energy.
It's the nature of the character that he absorbs all energy around him. It's also part of the reason that his DNA has the imprinted code of almost every single JLAer and JLAer in it (because in absorbing the energy of theirs he gained part of their DNA).
Considering that in Zero hour he absorbed enough energy that others had drained from Parallaxes new dimension to recreate the Big Bang and start the DCU again I'm not seeing any issue with him absorbing everything Hulk can put out and more.
Also how does Hulk amp himself when the very radiation that powers him is no longer in him exactly ?I mean come on this has been done by Marvel too.
Hulk has hurt the Juggernaut with his unstoppable spell, he has no problem countering magics of any kind. His powers have been compared by the watcher as a elemental force. So again don't believe Obsidian is as much a factor as you are making him out to be.
All of which to me isn't very impressive when compared to tanking the blasts of Spectre (which is what Obsidian's shadow form has done), or Mordru. Obie has tanked several cosmics through his career. Every single shadow on the planet can be Obie's to command (all with the power of the one who casts the shadow), he can also possess and control incredible numbers of beings at once (including some who have shown immunity to this type of thing).
Magog blew over some trees, Hulk's Thunderclap has destroyed dimensions and entire cities.
The pertinent feat was against Gog not Magog. This is the same Gog who reality warped at will. Gog was the same being from E-22 so his feats in that universe are relevant. Gog's wind sent E-22 Superman, Powergirl and every other JSAer flying but could not even move CS. E-22 Supes took a blow from Hercules without so much as flinching in the exact same issue that said character knocked new earth Superman for miles. By simple irrefutable logic CS's Durability is WAY beyond that of Superman. Add in the fact that his regeneration is sufficient to make an entire large bbody part regrow in an instant and what is Hulk supposed to do to him. Fact is the ONLY thing that has hurt CS is Black lantern Superman ( which is SA Superman so I'd call that fair)
Can Jesse move at the speed of light yeah
Yes she can. She get's her speed from her father Johnny Quick which also means that she (along with her father) are the only DCU speedsters who have actually developed TRUE flight, so the comment you made earlier about destroying the battlefield to deal with her is also irrelevant. Plus she has her moms super strength agility etc
Can Jesse move at the speed of light yeah, however she nor any flash ever starts out that way, they build up to it. And going the speed of light would be pointless because she would get sucked into the speedforce. So she would always be well under light speed, Secondly, Hulk reaction and speed are amped with his anger he should not have a problem tagging her, especially if he did one of his 360 degree thunderclaps. She wouldn't even know to avoid it.
Not to dogpile on you blac, but I've got to say that even under the parameters you've outlined, moving at 6, 7, 8, or even 9 tenths the speed of light is still pretty damn fast by anyone's point of view. As @beatboks1 stated, Jessie Quick and her late father Johnny are the only two Flashes with true Hawkman-like flight capabilities. So destroying the environment wouldn't slow her down at all. Not to mention that on top of her superhuman durability, she could simply vibrate herself intangible to avoid an incoming shockwave that she'd see coming a mile away.
@carter_esque: Not until gets respect for others characters and start to act as a real debater.
he's not even trying, i think he's just trying to have fun and say crazy things. no big deal
Wrong again chump. I do think that Hulk can win but I'm not gonna be a part of this Hulk Haters party.
woah, whats with the name calling?? im just saying what i think, which is that youre not serious and that youre just trying to piss people off by saying crazy stuff. and i also said its no big deal. i dont mind you having your fun. BUt now youre saying that you honestly DO believe hulk can beat this team of of like 3 people that can solo him. but i understand if you dont want to for whatever reason you want to say. Im sorry that you think that its a hulk hater party just because people are saying there are people on the team that can solo his behind.
@foreverevil: I know mae,because of this I will still tag him.... :D
@carter_esque: You don't know how to argue and doesn't use scan to support your opinions. You're just calling us Hulk hater because you saw that he can be defeated and doesn't want to understand or understand and doesn't want to believe...you can keep saying for yourself he can win,but without logic and a good opinion you're nothing more than a spoiled child crying out loud that his superheroes is the more powerful than anyone,without know how to prove it.
@matchesmalone21: @foreverevil: I don't care what y'all think bc Hulk would annihilate these weaklings. I don't have any problem admitting when I'm wrong and I'm open to changing my opinion when that's the case. That being said, this is a Hulk pile-on and I don't wanna be a part of it.
@matchesmalone21: @foreverevil: I don't care what y'all think bc Hulk would annihilate these weaklings. I don't have any problem admitting when I'm wrong and I'm open to changing my opinion when that's the case. That being said, this is a Hulk pile-on and I don't wanna be a part of it.
@carter_esque: Weaklings that can handle people on Spectre Level or even beyondhis level?? LOL. Fanboyism is growing on your brain,soon it will be consumed.
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