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#1 Posted by GoldenStar66 (659 posts) - - Show Bio

The fight takes place in Asgard.

No BFR. 
No Morals.
Win is by Knockout or incapacitation.
Both start 50 feet away.
Who wins?


#2 Posted by termiteone4ever (7709 posts) - - Show Bio

i am surprise this hasnt been done

#3 Posted by GoldenStar66 (659 posts) - - Show Bio
@termiteone4ever: Me, too.
#4 Posted by cattlebattle (13000 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd roll with Kurse

#5 Posted by Captain_Justice95 (399 posts) - - Show Bio

WWH
#6 Posted by TheMightyAvenger (1912 posts) - - Show Bio

Kurse wins.

#8 Posted by spiderbuck (2454 posts) - - Show Bio

Kurse

#9 Posted by Gremlin From Kremlin (2931 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Hulk wins.

#10 Posted by HellionVulcan (3867 posts) - - Show Bio

Kurse as his base strength is crazy high way more then world war hulk who couldn't over power Juggernaut ,so i'm thinking Kurse does what Zeus did to hulk .

#11 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

I see both winning this match, but I give more chance to Kurse.

#12 Posted by svtballa (287 posts) - - Show Bio

Tough fight.  Kurse starts off much stronger but WWH is a smart fighter.  Id give it to hulk

#13 Posted by Greendevil (2049 posts) - - Show Bio

Kurse has the strength advantage no doubt. But WWH is smarter and uses tactics, and is also insanely strong. This is a very close fight. I dont see Kurse doing what Zeus did. In this fight i give the small advantage to Kurse. But, if WWH goes WBH, then imo there is no doubt Hulk wins!

Good fight thread starter!

#14 Posted by TheUltimateSurvivor (839 posts) - - Show Bio
I say Kurse.
#15 Posted by themadsurfer (348 posts) - - Show Bio

Kurse he's 4 times stronger than Thor and he has a freaking armor!!! how the hell WWH is going to win????

#16 Posted by dondave (38557 posts) - - Show Bio

Kurse

#17 Posted by XiiX (8741 posts) - - Show Bio

Kurse.

#18 Posted by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk

#19 Edited by Pipxeroth (500 posts) - - Show Bio
#20 Edited by New_World_Order (13290 posts) - - Show Bio
#21 Edited by logy5000 (5929 posts) - - Show Bio

WWH loses.

#22 Edited by NICK31898 (2180 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

WWH loses.

I studied up on Kurse. I don't agree. WBH has the potential to get MUCH stronger than Kurse.

Idk that Kurse could hurt WBH to that point. Remember, WBH is his MOST powerful form. "The madder he gets, the stronger he gets". The same can't be said about Kurse. WBH would just become stronger, and tougher, as the fight went on. Kurse wouldn't. I know that Kurse is extremely hard to hurt, but WBH can hurt him. His hit force was powerful enough to make a planet explode.

I say WBH takes this fight, after a long hard battle, 6/10.

#23 Posted by heroesgold (608 posts) - - Show Bio

Kurse

#24 Posted by themadsurfer (348 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

WWH loses.

I studied up on Kurse. I don't agree. WBH has the potential to get MUCH stronger than Kurse.

Idk that Kurse could hurt WBH to that point. Remember, WBH is his MOST powerful form. "The madder he gets, the stronger he gets". The same can't be said about Kurse. WBH would just become stronger, and tougher, as the fight went on. Kurse wouldn't. I know that Kurse is extremely hard to hurt, but WBH can hurt him. His hit force was powerful enough to make a planet explode.

I say WBH takes this fight, after a long hard battle, 6/10.

WBH it's not the same as WWH but your analysis is correct WBH could win a majority.

#25 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

Kurse. In the meantime I have seen enough from Thor to put him in WB Hulk level. Ergo, Kurse is above WB Hulk.

#26 Edited by dum529001 (1635 posts) - - Show Bio

@themadsurfer:

Thor is not as powerful as WB Hulk.

So we know, at worldbreaker power-levels, the Hulk ( and red she-hulk) make the earth quake merely by standing and could sink continents with a footstep.

obviously there's a difference in the amount of effort put into a punch and a footstep. Punches pack way more power, and thus proportion speed, than footsteps.

Merely by clashing with Red She-hulk, WB Hulk indirectly......

A. destroyed a planet

AND

B. vaporized a guy on Silver Sufer power-level, as well as guys who rivaled Hulk at base-levels, and the Mindless ones(he even lets the guys attack him so he can amp up that much faster!!).

None of these things were even remotely the focal point of WB Hulk's attack, so they were taking the smallest effects of Hulk's(and Red She-hulk's) power, but they were still destroyed. That's just shows how insanely powerful WB Hulk is.

In a fight, when like-forces collide, 99.99 percert of that force should cancel out between the two forces. Some Marvel characters have been shown rocking and decimating universes merely by the collision of them and their opponent's power. The tiny bit of leftover force from their collsion was enough to decimate planets and universes!!!! That's just crazy powerful.

When has Thor ever done this without his hammer? The answer is never.

Thor deosn't have this kind of raw power oon his own. Whenever Thor has done somethinig like this it was with his mystic hammer or some other upgrade from a magical weapon/item.

There isn't really anybody in comics who gets a second wind like World War Hulk. After Bruce and Bob beat the alter-egos out of each other, a spike of anger just brings back a seemingly exhausted World War Hulk to full power... and beyond. From World War Hulk #5:

and there he is going "worldbreaker"...

As he ascends towards Worldbreaker levels, the shockwaves from even a single footstep are felt for hundreds of miles around, tossing helicopters in the air, and causing nearly irreparable damage to the bedrock of the Eastern Seaboard.

Even after he allowed the heroes to drain his gamma away, the damage he caused would have split Manhattan Island in half. From World War Hulk: Aftersmash#1:

The consequences of the Worldbreaker's shockwaves are unequivocally continental in scale. Amadeus Cho reminds Red She-Hulk, "I know. I'm not worried about you... just the rest of the freaking continent." From Incredible Hulks #632:

And again in Son of Hulk #11-12

(Incredible Hulks #610-611)

It's made clear that the "worldbreaker" power-level wasn't just a one time feat. When he's pushed towards Worldbreaker levels again, the shockwaves produced are felt once again throughout the Eastern Seaboard mirroring his previous footstep. From Incredible Hulk #610:

(Incredible Hulk #630-635)

And Again....

So we know, at worldbreaker power-levels, the Hulk ( and red she-hulk) make the earth quake merely by standing and could sink continents with a footstep.

obviously there's a difference in the amount of effort put into a punch and a footstep. Punches pack way more power and proportion speed than footsteps.

Merely by clashing with Red She-hulk, WB Hulk indirectly......

A. destroyed a planet

AND

B. vaporized a guy on Silver Sufer power-level, as well as guys who rivaled Hulk at base-levels, and the Mindless ones(he even lets the guys attack him so he can amp up that much faster!!).

None of these things were even remotely the focal point of WB Hulk's attack, so they were taking the smallest effects of Hulk's(and Red She-hulk's) power, but they were still destroyed. That's just shows how insanely powerful WB Hulk is.

It's plain to see that worlbreaker Hulk's power is far above the average planet-busting powerhouse.

World War Hulk tosses Fin Fang Foom backwards with such force that Umar's enchanted shields are shattered in Incredible Hulks #634:

Despite the Red Hulk having forcibly absorbed some of World War Hulk's gamma energies, he is defeated by a final thunderclap in Hulk #24:

#27 Edited by NICK31898 (2180 posts) - - Show Bio

@nick31898 said:

@logy5000 said:

WWH loses.

I studied up on Kurse. I don't agree. WBH has the potential to get MUCH stronger than Kurse.

Idk that Kurse could hurt WBH to that point. Remember, WBH is his MOST powerful form. "The madder he gets, the stronger he gets". The same can't be said about Kurse. WBH would just become stronger, and tougher, as the fight went on. Kurse wouldn't. I know that Kurse is extremely hard to hurt, but WBH can hurt him. His hit force was powerful enough to make a planet explode.

I say WBH takes this fight, after a long hard battle, 6/10.

WBH it's not the same as WWH but your analysis is correct WBH could win a majority.

Dang sorry. I just realized it was world war hulk. Either way, World War hulk, is 2nd most powerful. He took on a lot of marvel, and beat them.

#28 Posted by logy5000 (5929 posts) - - Show Bio

@nick31898: He beat a lot of people that were far below Kurse.

#29 Posted by NICK31898 (2180 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@nick31898: He beat a lot of people that were far below Kurse.

But, also, he has unlimited endurance. He doens't get weaker in a fight. He get's stronger.

#30 Posted by logy5000 (5929 posts) - - Show Bio

@nick31898: Not if he is KO'ed before he has a chance to increase his durability.

#31 Posted by NICK31898 (2180 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@nick31898: Not if he is KO'ed before he has a chance to increase his durability.

You know how hard it is to KO hulk? You have to dominate him. WWH is pretty strong, and I think he could take hits from Kurse. The more Kurse hit's him, the stronger he will get. The more Hulk hits curse, the weaker he will get.

#32 Posted by logy5000 (5929 posts) - - Show Bio

@nick31898: Kurse is 4 times stronger than Thor. Thor is planet level.

#33 Posted by NICK31898 (2180 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@nick31898: Kurse is 4 times stronger than Thor. Thor is planet level.

Actually Kurse is twice as strong as Thor. Thor is a 100+, and curse is a 200+. Hulk could easilly become stronge than kurse. Hence, unlimited strength.

#34 Posted by pooty (11387 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@nick31898: Kurse is 4 times stronger than Thor. Thor is planet level.

Actually Kurse is twice as strong as Thor. Thor is a 100+, and curse is a 200+. Hulk could easilly become stronge than kurse. Hence, unlimited strength.

The beyonder amped Kurse TWICE. so his peak level is unknown

#35 Edited by dum529001 (1635 posts) - - Show Bio
@logy5000 said:

@nick31898: Kurse is 4 times stronger than Thor. Thor is planet level.

Hulk can increase his strength four times with ease. Hulk grows stronger according to the strain of combat. This is what makes his strength unlimited. He can be knocked ou but he can't be destroyed.

Hulk is a planet buster at base power-level just like Thor.

First of all let me ask...

Which is greater?

A. the energy required to pull earth out its orbit of the sun

OR

B. the energy required to reverse the planet's orbit, therefore pushing back and overpowering the electromagnetic force the sun puts on the earth?

The answer is B.

If you would actually read it, this is exactly what the Hulk is shown doing in this comic scan:

Overpowering a field of energy endowed with sufficient power to change the orbit of a planet(Tales to Astonish #89)

Hulk has the power to move a planet at baseline.

The fact that the field strength needed to be increased is proof that Hulk was contesting that kind of power.

Even so, Hulk showed power to overcome a planet's kinetic energy, which is better than overcoming the force it has while it's just sitting there in its static state.

It takes 632 quadrillion 850 trillion megatons(6.3285*10^17) just to stop the earth's orbit. Hulk overpowered energy that could not only stop a planet's orbit but reverse it as well, which means Hulk was able to put out even more power than that.

The gravitational binding energy of earth is 224 nontillion joules(224,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000). There is 4 quadrillion 184 trillion joules per megaton(1 Mt = 4,184,000,000,000,000 J). Therefore, it takes 53 quadrillion 537 trillion 285 billion megatons to smash earth to smithereens(5.3537285*10^16). According to what Hulk has shown, Hulk can also destroy a planet at his baseline power level.

At a second meeting years later, The Stranger recognize that Hulk was even stronger than before because once again, Hulk shrugs off the energy that the Stranger uses in an attempt to render him motionless in Marvel Two-In-One annual #2:

Here's Hulk doing a feat of great cosmic proportions once again:

Applying force to the space-time structure itself to prevent the Defenders from being absorbed into a fissure (Defenders #3)(with the size of the singularity estimated in about seven feets according to the Schwarzschild radius, then it's mass/gravitational attraction, by the equivalence principle, is thus equivalent to roughly two hundreds Earths),

Hulk matches power and withstands attacks from Galaxy Master, a foe with planet-splitting power, not once but twice! in incredible Hulk #112and incredible Hulk #270:

Savage Hulk vs Galaxy Master, from Incredible Hulk #112:

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Savage Hulk vs Galaxy Master rematch, from Incredible Hulk #270:

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One of the Hulk's sons, Hiro-Kala, has the power to throw a planet at the earth with planet-busting force with the use of two power sources known as the "old-power" and "new-power" but the Hulk resists his power in Incredible Hulks #615-16:

World War Hulk vs Hiro Kala, from Incredible Hulks #615-16:

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#36 Posted by NICK31898 (2180 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@nick31898 said:

@logy5000 said:

@nick31898: Kurse is 4 times stronger than Thor. Thor is planet level.

Actually Kurse is twice as strong as Thor. Thor is a 100+, and curse is a 200+. Hulk could easilly become stronge than kurse. Hence, unlimited strength.

The beyonder amped Kurse TWICE. so his peak level is unknown

Oh, Ok.

#37 Posted by jojjimbo (2472 posts) - - Show Bio

Kurse.

#38 Posted by themadsurfer (348 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk at base-level is not planet buster that's ridiculous and the argument of unlimited strength doesn't apply here only if the fight take hours.... Kurse is A LOT stronger and will finish WWH fast.

#39 Posted by JuliantheApostate (52 posts) - - Show Bio

Kurse is four times the strength of Thor but that's his base level. World Breaker Hulk will get stronger and stronger unlimitedly until he dies or the fight ends. So unless Kurse can dispatch of World Breaker quickly, I don't see how he can win.

#40 Posted by JuliantheApostate (52 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk at base-level is not planet buster that's ridiculous and the argument of unlimited strength doesn't apply here only if the fight take hours.... Kurse is A LOT stronger and will finish WWH fast.

you stole my whole comment idea 30 seconds earlier LOL... great minds think alike I guess huh?

#41 Edited by themadsurfer (348 posts) - - Show Bio

@themadsurfer said:

Hulk at base-level is not planet buster that's ridiculous and the argument of unlimited strength doesn't apply here only if the fight take hours.... Kurse is A LOT stronger and will finish WWH fast.

you stole my whole comment idea 30 seconds earlier LOL... great minds think alike I guess huh?

I suppose so hahahaha!!!! But we are talking about WWH and he is much weaker than WBH that's why I think it's an easy battle for Kurse. If the battle were WBH vs Kurse the last would have to end the fight extremely fast and I think he wouldn't...

#42 Posted by pooty (11387 posts) - - Show Bio

@juliantheapostate: Kurse is four times the strength of Thor but that's his base level.

Where does it say Kurse is 4x Thor? The second time Beyonder amped him I didn't think it gave a level?

#43 Edited by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk has battled Warrior's Madness Thor before. WM Thor is X10 stronger than normal.

#44 Posted by Funsiized (3723 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk.

#45 Posted by pooty (11387 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk has battled Warrior's Madness Thor before. WM Thor is X10 stronger than normal.

In that fight did Thor do anything that regular Thor couldn't do? Thor looked better IMO in Blood/Thunder.

#46 Posted by themadsurfer (348 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@godtriggerhulk said:

Hulk has battled Warrior's Madness Thor before. WM Thor is X10 stronger than normal.

In that fight did Thor do anything that regular Thor couldn't do? Thor looked better IMO in Blood/Thunder.

Blood/Thunder thor wasn't in WM and only in the very end of the fight against hulk he entered into WM than the fight was interrupted by a nuclear explosion that the author also fought thor couldn't handle (PIS like most fights against hulk)

#47 Posted by pooty (11387 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@godtriggerhulk said:

Hulk has battled Warrior's Madness Thor before. WM Thor is X10 stronger than normal.

In that fight did Thor do anything that regular Thor couldn't do? Thor looked better IMO in Blood/Thunder.

Blood/Thunder thor wasn't in WM and only in the very end of the fight against hulk he entered into WM than the fight was interrupted by a nuclear explosion that the author also fought thor couldn't handle (PIS like most fights against hulk)

Agreed. I know Thor wasn't in WM in Blood/Thunder. He was just crazy and not holding back. That is my point. He looked more powerful in Blood/Thunder then he did when he was in WM.

#48 Posted by Iragexcudder (5125 posts) - - Show Bio

Who's stronger? Arnold Schwarzenegger or Mike Tyson?

You have to understand combat feats and blows. Who honestly has a stronger punch that can change the fight. Regardless of who's stronger, it's not about base strength. It's how hard they hit and tactics used in battle.

I honestly have no idea who would come out on top but it's something to think about.

#49 Posted by MarlboroMan (1695 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@themadsurfer said:

@pooty said:

@godtriggerhulk said:

Hulk has battled Warrior's Madness Thor before. WM Thor is X10 stronger than normal.

In that fight did Thor do anything that regular Thor couldn't do? Thor looked better IMO in Blood/Thunder.

Blood/Thunder thor wasn't in WM and only in the very end of the fight against hulk he entered into WM than the fight was interrupted by a nuclear explosion that the author also fought thor couldn't handle (PIS like most fights against hulk)

Agreed. I know Thor wasn't in WM in Blood/Thunder. He was just crazy and not holding back. That is my point. He looked more powerful in Blood/Thunder then he did when he was in WM.

I remember Odin was calling him having warrior madness in the series

#50 Posted by pooty (11387 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@themadsurfer said:

@pooty said:

@godtriggerhulk said:

Hulk has battled Warrior's Madness Thor before. WM Thor is X10 stronger than normal.

In that fight did Thor do anything that regular Thor couldn't do? Thor looked better IMO in Blood/Thunder.

Blood/Thunder thor wasn't in WM and only in the very end of the fight against hulk he entered into WM than the fight was interrupted by a nuclear explosion that the author also fought thor couldn't handle (PIS like most fights against hulk)

Agreed. I know Thor wasn't in WM in Blood/Thunder. He was just crazy and not holding back. That is my point. He looked more powerful in Blood/Thunder then he did when he was in WM.

I remember Odin was calling him having warrior madness in the series

You calling me a liar? just playing. You remember Odin "I fear the WM has taken over him". That is what Odin thought it was. That was his first diagnosis. Odin also said WM can't be cured. By the end it was shown that Thor went crazy from Odin manipulating his life. Making him mortal. Making him a cripple. Giving his hammer to other people. banishing him. That all took a toll on Thor's mind. He went crazy.