World War Hulk vs Hercules

@Killemall: When did Hulk beat Hercules out of curiosity?

Hulk wins.

Calling out the king @PowerHerc

He may be able to shed some light on this thread.

Yeah I'll give it to Hulk given his better track record against him when as Savage Hulk. As WWH he should be able to win for sure.

WWH,but Herc has the adamantium mace

World War Hulk wins

WWH takes this easily since he is a lot more powerful and stronger than Hercules or even Thor at that point.

Hulk would win this bout but it wouldn't be as easily as everyone thinks. As for one, basing this fight off the one they had in World War Hulk is unfair as Hercules held back the entire time and refused to fight back in order to show his loyalty to Banner. Secondly, whenever they did fight, Hercules has always held his own and given Hulk a fight to be remembered.

@80sBaby said:

True, Herc held back but tell me, he didn't hold back his durability, did he? Because the damage he took from just a couple of hits was telling, imo.

And you bring up a fair point, but anyone who allows themselves to get beaten without fighting back is obviously going to get hurt. Provided in this fight, he has the nemean lion skin which enhances his durability. And if he was fighting back, considering his superior fighting skill, Hercules would be able to counter, to dodge and avoid Hulk's hits rather than allowing himself to get beat on.@TheAcidSkull said:

though you have a point, Hercules can do good against savage hulk , but he would loose wwh , holding back or not, though herc would have fared better, hulks punches did far greater damage to herc than hercs did to hulk, herc produced a massive double hand blow to the jaw but hulk had almost nothing on his face, while herc was full of bruises and could barely stand despite the fact that he has talken punches from savage hulk before.

Again, fair point but it was revealed plenty of times, even by Banner himself afterwards that Hercules had no intention of severely engaging the Hulk in combat or even wanting to fight him at all. He let himself get beat on to prove his loyalty to the Hulk. Of course, against World War Hulk, Hercules would eventually lose but I don't see him going down that easily, especially when coupled with the Lion skin.

@TheAcidSkull said:

you also make a fair point but hulk was holding his punches back too, this was confirmed by hulk himself in The hearth if a monster arc and by cho in hulk vs Hercules when titans collide. Herc is a great fighter but WWH unlike his other incarnations is a great fighter himself and is also a great strategist, he outsmarted Cap. also banner said this during herculeses funeral, and he did in fact exaggerated a bit since hercs first blow was meant to hurt hulk, and hulk took a far greater punch by Skaar, and it barely hurt him, and as time passes hulk will get more durable, heal faster, and become more powerful despite the fact the he is already powerful enough, being able to one shot thing WHILE holding back and stuff, so there is no scenario where hercules wins.

Again, fantastic points all around, but I never stated that Hercules would even defeat Hulk, I'm simply stating that he'd stand a far better chance than most, especially provided that his durability would be enhanced here with the Lion Skin and that he is in possession of his mace, which he lacked in his fight with WWH originally. Add on to the fact that he's bloodlusted and he might even be able to surprise Hulk with a few good hits off the bat. They won't alter the course of the battle, but it might help even the odds for a good amount of time.

@TheAcidSkull said:

yes, but isn't a morals off wwh automatically wbh?

No, it's fair to state that during World War Hulk, his morality was definitely altered from the usual. He cared little for who he hurt anymore and was relentless while doing it. Even going as far as harming those who truly cared for him such as Jen. His morals were off and it wasn't until Miek stabbed Rick in the back and revealed that he was the one to murder his wife and nearly destroy Sakaar that Bruce became bloodlusted and changed into World Breaker.

@TheAcidSkull said:

morals off means that hulk would be willing to kill right? and and there a three indications that hulk was holding back:

• hulk says himself that he didn't break what could not have been healed , he cam for justice nor murder as revealed at the end for world war hulk
• during the one shot series Hercules vs hulk: when titans collide, cho says that hulk was holding back his punches.
• and during The heart of the monster hulk himself says that he was holding back in new York during WWH

No, morals off does not have to insinuate that the combatant or person would be willing to kill. Simply means that they are willing to go farther beyond what they usually believe in and disregard certain beliefs they originally had.

• hulk says himself that he didn't break what could not have been healed , he cam for justice nor murder as revealed at the end for world war hulk

Indeed he did and that is a fair point. But comparing him to other incarnations, he has never before gone as far to imprison his former teammates and force them to fight to the death in a battle arena.

• during the one shot series Hercules vs hulk: when titans collide, cho says that hulk was holding back his punches.

Yes he did, but that was more-so stating Hulk's intelligence and raw control of his power in battle against his former friends despite his increased strength and rage.

• and during The heart of the monster hulk himself says that he was holding back in new York during WWH

His power might've been held back slightly, but his morality and mind-set was altered. He had the complete intention of flattening his former friends and teammates because he believed they murdered his wife and nearly destroyed his home.

WWHulk gets my vote. He's a monster.

@Soothing_Sounds said:

I don't think Hulk's morals were completely off during the arc. Altered, sure. But Hulk still wasn't willing to kill, so he at least had some slight sense of morality. That's how i think about it at least.

Fair point, but he was closer to lacking morals than anything. And for him to transform into World Breaker, it would require him to be blood-lusted as he was when Miek nearly killed Rick and told him the truth. What he displayed in WWH was the closest we've seen him without morals in a long time. Becoming the World Breaker was him simply losing all sense of control.

@TheAcidSkull: Fair point as always. And it's a case that shows that morals off doesn't have to mean a willingness to kill. Peter Parker in Back in Black was pissed off and could've killed Kingpin at any-time but he restricted himself to morality. It was more-so in Grim Hunt where he wanted to kill every member of the Kravinoff family and almost did where he was basically blood-lusted.

Same situation applies here.