#151 Posted by THORSON (2534 posts) - - Show Bio

ghost rider with ease.

#152 Posted by kidman560 (7578 posts) - - Show Bio

wanna know the downright ugly truth. there would be know winner. Hulk cant kill GR and Ghost rider with Zarathros would have no reason to attack hulk. but if some intervention from god forced these two to fight then GR has the win

#153 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18845 posts) - - Show Bio

Pfff, Hulk, Theoretical Powers And WHAT IFS? don't matter.

#154 Edited by turoksonofstone (12901 posts) - - Show Bio

cover art is not evidence..

Ghostrider's potential is theoretical and hyperbole he hasnt shown the power to actually take down Hulk let alone WWH..

This. Hulk is a Team-buster kids.

#155 Edited by xlab3000 (3369 posts) - - Show Bio

wasn't GR stated to be the strongest hero in Marvel. GR wins

#156 Edited by Raw_Material (3300 posts) - - Show Bio

Ufff.. this one's a tough call, but my edge goes to Ghost Rider. He could use his chains so that he could bind Hulk and get into range to attack with more effective attacks.

#157 Edited by New_World_Order (13516 posts) - - Show Bio

Ufff.. this one's a tough call, but my edge goes to Ghost Rider. He could use his chains so that he could bind Hulk and get into range to attack with more effective attacks.

Those chains won't hold Hulk.

@xlab3000 said:

wasn't GR stated to be the strongest hero in Marvel. GR wins

When was that said?

#158 Posted by batnorris (679 posts) - - Show Bio

can hellfire affect hulk? penance stare? oh holy hell that would be so much pain for hulk!

#160 Edited by GhostRider2 (3628 posts) - - Show Bio

@turoksonofstone said:

@dark_king said:

cover art is not evidence..

Ghostrider's potential is theoretical and hyperbole he hasnt shown the power to actually take down Hulk let alone WWH..

This. Hulk is a Team-buster kids.

I don't care if it's Hulk or WW Hulk he is going down hard.

@batnorris: yes

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#161 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

Pfff, Hulk, Theoretical Powers And WHAT IFS? don't matter.

.......

@dark_king said:

cover art is not evidence..

Ghostrider's potential is theoretical and hyperbole he hasnt shown the power to actually take down Hulk let alone WWH..

This. Hulk is a Team-buster kids.

............

@raw_material said:

Ufff.. this one's a tough call, but my edge goes to Ghost Rider. He could use his chains so that he could bind Hulk and get into range to attack with more effective attacks.

Those chains won't hold Hulk.

@xlab3000 said:

wasn't GR stated to be the strongest hero in Marvel. GR wins

When was that said?

.............

WTF happen here?!

When did Hulk rate higher than Hell Lords!

Hulk has no way to beat Zarathos. None. Zilch. Nadda.

Only Magic can hurt Zarathos being. That is it. Last Time I check WWH has no Magic.

WTH happen here? Most of you guys are vets on Battle Threads.

#162 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18845 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: i honestly don't think GR could Put hulk down. It's at least stalemate.

HOWEVER. I might be a vet for hulk, but GR? not so much. so yeah...

#163 Edited by Raw_Material (3300 posts) - - Show Bio

Here are just a few scans showcasing Ghost Rider using his chains to capture Venom and Lucifer, both powerhouses and being able to take down a plane with it as well.

GhostRider2 pretty much has all the scans as it is, so there's no point of me posting scans that probably has already been posted.

#164 Posted by Pyrogram (41344 posts) - - Show Bio

How can GR even harm hulk?

#165 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: i honestly don't think GR could Put hulk down. It's at least stalemate.

HOWEVER. I might be a vet for hulk, but GR? not so much. so yeah...

GHOST RIDER TRIBUTE

My collection of feats and explanantion Thread. Everything you need to know of Ghost Rider.

I can name 3 ways off my head why Zararthos Stomps WWH.

Read the Blaze Section and you will see.

#166 Posted by New_World_Order (13516 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Well I don't believe the chains can hold Hulk. Maybe Zarathos can do it, but Johnny..no. I know Zarathos would win, but Johnny would not. Also Ghost Rider has never been stated to be the strongest hero. Heck it was ranked like this.

  1. Sentry
  2. Hulk
  3. Black Bolt
#167 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18845 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull said:

@cadencev2: i honestly don't think GR could Put hulk down. It's at least stalemate.

HOWEVER. I might be a vet for hulk, but GR? not so much. so yeah...

GHOST RIDER TRIBUTE

My collection of feats and explanantion Thread. Everything you need to know of Ghost Rider.

I can name 3 ways off my head why Zararthos Stomps WWH.

Read the Blaze Section and you will see.

M'kay. And i don't think Zarathos could stomp...yet :P

#168 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18845 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: YOu know what? I won't see the scans! this is a Good opportunity for debate! i haven't had one in a looong time :P! SO BRING IT ON BRO! ^___^

#169 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: When ya read it and have a solid idea of Zarathos, we will debate then if your still not convince. :)

@thundergodswrath: No dodubt Blaze loses, he already was spanked by WWH lol.

The OP is Zarathos tho.

@pyrogram said:

How can GR even harm hulk?

GHOST RIDER TRIBUTE

Click and read. GR is a Hell Lord level Angel.

He simply is too high a level and immune to non magical Harm.

He can BFR HULk to hell and easily beat him with 40+ other Ghost Rider Spirits. He can take Hulk back in time and drop him off. He can use his Unbreakable Chain, non breakable by Non Magical Means, for Incapacitation. He could Penance Stare for a win.

Lots of ways. He can simply out last hulk till Hulk dies of old age.

#170 Posted by Bane_of_sith (2796 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm taking hulk all day!! Get'em acid skull!!!

#171 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: YOu know what? I won't see the scans! this is a Good opportunity for debate! i haven't had one in a looong time :P! SO BRING IT ON BRO! ^___^

LOL okay. Make the Thread. World War Hulk vs Zarathos.

I will force feed you the truth!

LETS ROCK IT!

#172 Posted by New_World_Order (13516 posts) - - Show Bio
#173 Edited by TheAcidSkull (18845 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Why Make a repeater one? LETS DO DIS HERE! :D

#174 Edited by GhostRider2 (3628 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: haha can't wait even if i know the winner lol

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#175 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

@bane_of_sith: @theacidskull: @thundergodswrath: @cadencev2:

It is already fully powered GR vs WWHulk:

I'm a big fan of these 2. I want to hear your opinions. What if during the World War Hulk series, Zarathos took over during their encounter and actually fought the Hulk with morals off and fight until the other one is no longer able to continue. Who would win? Why/how?

The battle takes place in New York city. Just imagine if Zarathos didn't took off and decided to put a stop on the Hulk's rampage.

So GR wins. Hulk doesn't have magic, can't answer on Penance Stare and can't permanently put Rider down.

#176 Edited by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

@zoom said:

Zarathos isn't part of Ghost Rider and hasn't been since most of you were born.

This was posted years ago. Still relevant.

Kinda disappointed that people STILL think Zarathos is part of 2000s Ghost Rider. Zarathos and Blaze were separated during the early 80s, Zarathos was killed during the 90s and Blaze was bonded to a different Ghost Rider during the early 2000s.

#177 Edited by russellmania77 (15861 posts) - - Show Bio

zoom is back.

#178 Edited by dum529001 (1658 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk smash!!

Hulk is known as and proven, many times over, to be the strongest force there is but like the Juggernaut, I think Ghost rider's power may be just as truly infinite as Hulk's so I think they should stalemate each other.

#179 Edited by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

I'ld like to see some feats from full-power Ghost Rider (sounds really badass). As for the amount of suffering he's caused. The Hulk has a very low body-count and his fighting is usually highly justified. So while GR could fight Hulk with his unleashed power, the penance stare is of questionable efficacy. Especially when one considers the Hulk's massive pain tolerance (brain surgery with no painkillers and was wide awake and seemingly fairly mellow), his TP resistance and adaptation power. In a hand to hand fight while WW Hulk couldn't put GR down with blows he could space toss him. The Savage Hulk who is weaker and less intelligent than WW Hulk did this to Fing Fang Foom.

#180 Posted by Bane_of_sith (2796 posts) - - Show Bio

The penance stare isn't guaranteed to work on hulk since in a way he is a Split personality..when GR tried the PS on dead pool ( who has plenty of bats in his cave) he ended up getting knocked out ,,plus if it did work hulk would feel all the pain he inflicted,,which IMO would just make him angrier...I'd say stalemate if anything. A lot of the ideas about GR winning are based on stochastic ideas,,a lot of it is moot

#181 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (6469 posts) - - Show Bio

ghost rider, and im pretty sure his penance stare would take hulk down easily.

#182 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

ghost rider, no contest

#183 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

The penance stare isn't guaranteed to work on hulk since in a way he is a Split personality

That's actually a pretty good argument for the PS not working on the Hulk.

#184 Posted by ghost_rider1 (3630 posts) - - Show Bio

This is actually a mismatch cuz WWH has no way to put down a Zarathos control rider

#185 Posted by Gambit474 (1517 posts) - - Show Bio

@zoom said:

@zoom said:

Zarathos isn't part of Ghost Rider and hasn't been since most of you were born.

This was posted years ago. Still relevant.

Kinda disappointed that people STILL think Zarathos is part of 2000s Ghost Rider. Zarathos and Blaze were separated during the early 80s, Zarathos was killed during the 90s and Blaze was bonded to a different Ghost Rider during the early 2000s.

Actually Zarathos is indeed back. He's been back..Even in Ghost Rider's last series(although terrible because Alejandra sucked)she made mention of Zarathos talking to her when she was GR because he was the spirit bonded to her. Sorry folks but Zarathos has been back..they might not have given any good reason or explanation as to how that happened but Blaze and Zarathos have been back together for a while now

#186 Posted by dondave (38907 posts) - - Show Bio

Ghost Rider

#187 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@zoom said:

@zoom said:

Zarathos isn't part of Ghost Rider and hasn't been since most of you were born.

This was posted years ago. Still relevant.

Kinda disappointed that people STILL think Zarathos is part of 2000s Ghost Rider. Zarathos and Blaze were separated during the early 80s, Zarathos was killed during the 90s and Blaze was bonded to a different Ghost Rider during the early 2000s.

Everytime you post on this site and talk GR you spout nonsense. EVERYTIME.

Hammer Lane which was LATE 90s confirmed Zarathos was part of Blaze and made him Ghost Rider again after not having a Spirit of Vengeance in the in the Ketch Series.

When the Female Rider took Blazes Spirit it was confirmed as Zarathos again. meaning the it was Zarathos before the 2000 arc and Zarathos right after the 2000 arc ended.

Really, you need to stop acting like a GR expert.

@zoom said:

@bane_of_sith said:

The penance stare isn't guaranteed to work on hulk since in a way he is a Split personality

That's actually a pretty good argument for the PS not working on the Hulk.

A good point is show proof of anyone NOT protected by Zadkiel or Souless resisting the Penance Stare.

Even Venom felt pain and he had a split personality.

Epic Fail.

#188 Edited by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends.If GR goes all Zarathos,he stomps.

Normal Rider probably loses.

#189 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

Ghost rider wins. probably without throwing a punch

#190 Posted by Bane_of_sith (2796 posts) - - Show Bio

@Cadence v2 .....Epic fail? When he tried it on dead pool ghost rider was knocked out. I think the only fail here is that you would use "epic" to describe it. And as I said even if it worked hulk will feel pain,,he'll just get more angry thus becoming stronger, more durable and more of a threat.

#191 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Cadence v2 .....Epic fail? When he tried it on dead pool ghost rider was knocked out. I think the only fail here is that you would use "epic" to describe it. And as I said even if it worked hulk will feel pain,,he'll just get more angry thus becoming stronger, more durable and more of a threat.

That fact you all want to go with 1 PIS showing of the Penance Stare failing on Deadpool who has Hax power to beat anyone (Taskmaster could not copy his skill, ****ing really?) then that is another Epic Fail.

I proved the Dual Personalities with Venom Scan alone. The Penance Stare works.

As for Becoming more of a Threat? That alone suggest you ignor the fact GR cannot be harmed, at all by Hulk. Meanwhile Hulk burned himself on Sentry, Hell Lord Level Zarathos will easy smack Hulk into Banner form again. Or straight BFR him, or Soul Burn Hulk (Hulk has NO Soul attack resistance feats), ect ect.

Hulk has Zero chance of a win. Zarathos cannot be harmed by Non Magical Attacks, period.

I'ld like to see some feats from full-power Ghost Rider (sounds really badass). As for the amount of suffering he's caused. The Hulk has a very low body-count and his fighting is usually highly justified. So while GR could fight Hulk with his unleashed power, the penance stare is of questionable efficacy. Especially when one considers the Hulk's massive pain tolerance (brain surgery with no painkillers and was wide awake and seemingly fairly mellow), his TP resistance and adaptation power. In a hand to hand fight while WW Hulk couldn't put GR down with blows he could space toss him. The Savage Hulk who is weaker and less intelligent than WW Hulk did this to Fing Fang Foom.

Ghost Rider Tribute.

Everything on GR and why he epicly wins this with no trouble as Zarathos.

#192 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

@zoom said:

@zoom said:

Zarathos isn't part of Ghost Rider and hasn't been since most of you were born.

This was posted years ago. Still relevant.

Kinda disappointed that people STILL think Zarathos is part of 2000s Ghost Rider. Zarathos and Blaze were separated during the early 80s, Zarathos was killed during the 90s and Blaze was bonded to a different Ghost Rider during the early 2000s.

Everytime you post on this site and talk GR you spout nonsense. EVERYTIME.

Hammer Lane which was LATE 90s confirmed Zarathos was part of Blaze and made him Ghost Rider again after not having a Spirit of Vengeance in the in the Ketch Series.

When the Female Rider took Blazes Spirit it was confirmed as Zarathos again. meaning the it was Zarathos before the 2000 arc and Zarathos right after the 2000 arc ended.

Really, you need to stop acting like a GR expert.

Hammer Lane was a lousy story that ignored previous Ghost Rider continuity and was in turn ignored by series that take place after it. It's clearly not in continuity.

The Rider Blaze was bonded to in the 2000s was stated to be an angel. Zarathos is not an angel. Blaze had a totally different power set in the 2000s series and was several times more powerful than he ever was when bonded to Zarathos. Zarathos wasn't mentioned even once during that whole run. He clearly was bonded to something else, an angel, as the book stated.

I haven't read the girl Ghost Rider series but if it states that Zarathos was ever bonded with Blaze post- Siege of Darkness but pre Heavens On Fire, that'd be what we call a "continuity error."

#193 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@zoom: I really do not care if you liked the Hammer Lane story. EVERY GR Arc retcons the Origins of the last. This is simple fact.

The fact is, Blazes Spirit of Vengeance was referred to as Zarathos by name before 2000 Arc. It was reffered to by name as Zarathos post Zadkiel with the female Rider taking Blazes Spirit.

Thats to times periods Blaze Spirit was called Zarathos by name.

You have nothing here.

Also maybe you do not know this, Ghost Rider from the 70s, 90s, and 2000 arcs are ALL FULL OF Contiunuity errors. Period.

#194 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@bane_of_sith:

This fight is GR not zarathos,,and GR has been KO'd before,,he's not invulnerable

You said this fight is Ghost Rider. So freaking what? There are 6+ different Ghost Riders that have that name.

Blaze. Ketch. Zarathos. Nobel Kale. Caleb. Vengeance. Ghost Rider 2099. Ultimate Ghost Rider. Plus more!

Pick one!

Ketch from Last Stand Stomps as does his current version. Blaze Stomps as he can switch to Zarathos. Caleb stomps due to BFRing Hulk into hell and against a Army of Ghost Riders. Ultimate Ghost Rider Stomps due to beating the entire Ultimate Avengers and proving ONLY Holy weapons can harm him.

Wow Hulk getting Stomped by all these Ghost Riders except Vengeance and GR 2099!

#195 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

@zoom: I really do not care if you liked the Hammer Lane story. EVERY GR Arc retcons the Origins of the last. This is simple fact.

The fact is, Blazes Spirit of Vengeance was referred to as Zarathos by name before 2000 Arc. It was reffered to by name as Zarathos post Zadkiel with the female Rider taking Blazes Spirit.

Thats to times periods Blaze Spirit was called Zarathos by name.

You have nothing here.

Also maybe you do not know this, Ghost Rider from the 70s, 90s, and 2000 arcs are ALL FULL OF Contiunuity errors. Period.

You're adorable.

Point out some of the continuity errors for me.

#196 Edited by Killemall (18607 posts) - - Show Bio
@zoom said:

This is from the last Ghost Rider issue published on May 2012

There has been a lot more stuffs like this which still leads to me believe Ghost Rider is still Zarathos, and the fact that Ghost Rider and Zarathos both bio pretty much agrees makes it hard to ignore.

I have no read GR in the 90s so i would not know where you are coming from, but i have read most of GR issue post 2000 and i have plenty of hints (although nothing i can recall on the top of my head that shows as a conclusive proof) that GR power is still that of Zarathos.

#197 Posted by Chibi_cute (4617 posts) - - Show Bio

World war hulk godstomps.

In his dreams :p

Even hulk tears the ghost rider apart crush his skull with his foot he will just reform and reform and then ghost rider with penance stare and hellfire would rape him by all means of the word.The only way hulk could win this match is when god intervenes on hulk's side and give him a powerful holy weapon like a holy baseball bat

#198 Posted by ghost_rider1 (3630 posts) - - Show Bio

@bane_of_sith:

Having a split personality dont save u from the penance stare. That deadpool incident u mentioned is pure PIS....nothing more, nothing less. And i doubt that hulk will get stronger after being PS. He will be temporarily KOed. And if that doesnt work. GR can just BFR him to Hell. U seem like u fail to realize that hulk cant do squat to a Spirit of Vengeance. Hulk has no magic to even put a dent into GR. GR is IMMUNE TO PHYSICAL HARM....brute force wont do nothing to GR. Bottom line is that hulk cant win this fight in no way whatsoever. He loses!

#199 Edited by Gambit474 (1517 posts) - - Show Bio

@zoom said:

@cadencev2 said:

@zoom said:

@zoom said:

Zarathos isn't part of Ghost Rider and hasn't been since most of you were born.

This was posted years ago. Still relevant.

Kinda disappointed that people STILL think Zarathos is part of 2000s Ghost Rider. Zarathos and Blaze were separated during the early 80s, Zarathos was killed during the 90s and Blaze was bonded to a different Ghost Rider during the early 2000s.

Everytime you post on this site and talk GR you spout nonsense. EVERYTIME.

Hammer Lane which was LATE 90s confirmed Zarathos was part of Blaze and made him Ghost Rider again after not having a Spirit of Vengeance in the in the Ketch Series.

When the Female Rider took Blazes Spirit it was confirmed as Zarathos again. meaning the it was Zarathos before the 2000 arc and Zarathos right after the 2000 arc ended.

Really, you need to stop acting like a GR expert.

Hammer Lane was a lousy story that ignored previous Ghost Rider continuity and was in turn ignored by series that take place after it. It's clearly not in continuity.

The Rider Blaze was bonded to in the 2000s was stated to be an angel. Zarathos is not an angel. Blaze had a totally different power set in the 2000s series and was several times more powerful than he ever was when bonded to Zarathos. Zarathos wasn't mentioned even once during that whole run. He clearly was bonded to something else, an angel, as the book stated.

I haven't read the girl Ghost Rider series but if it states that Zarathos was ever bonded with Blaze post- Siege of Darkness but pre Heavens On Fire, that'd be what we call a "continuity error."

Ghost Rider has been following the Christian belief or w.e in God..Satan..Heaven..Hell..etc etc. By going by the belief terms..Zarathos can indeed be considered an angel since what are demons in the Bible? Fallen angels. People like you and whoever else nay says about GR make his powers more complicated then what they really are. Jason Aaron answered a question in the back of a GR issue once that alot of what you were seeing in his run was Blaze showing his control over the GR's powers..so even if Zarathos was/wasn't there Blaze was still showing that he's becoming more capable of doing things on his own without having to resort to giving Zarathos control. Blaze even said it himself inside that prison in the one issue that "It's taking everything I've got to keep this thing from coming out and blowing this place down"or w.e it was he said but implied that he's showing control over the rider's power.

Besides Zarathos was never "killed". This is comics..Nobody ever really "dies". Also to the one that said the PS failed on Deadpool..no it didn't. The penance stare worked on deadpool but only knocked Johnny out of GR form..I'd rather see you answer why didn't Deadpool just try to kill Johnny after he got back up instead of just punching him out

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