World War Hulk v. Pre-52 Black Adam *No Gem*

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#1  Edited By EsquireHulk

World War Hulk.

Pre-52 Black Adam.

In character, morals on.

No BFR but speed blitzing is allowed.

Hulk doesn't have the Power Gem anymore but they both have general knowledge of each other.

2nd Edit: This is now pre-52 Adam since current Teth has little showings.

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Black Adam wins.

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#3  Edited By EsquireHulk

@mee09: Can you enlighten me? I did say in character so knowing Black Adam's pride, he will duke it out first. I added speed blitzing allowed because BA isn't stupid and will utilize his speed before his downfall. My concern is, will WWH w/Power Gem defeat BA before that happens?

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WWH w/power gem destroy's him.

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WWH could arguably win without the Gem.

With it, I don't see how this is a question.

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OP seems to be underestimating Hulk quite a bit here

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Hulk stomps. He would win without all the advantages OP gave him.

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@jmarshmallow: Because I honestly see certain fights that he had were PiS. WWH v. Ghost Rider, WWH v. Strange and Sentry. Mainly because Zarathos didn't do jack, Strange got outsmarted, and sentry didn't utilize ALL of his powers.

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@esquirehulk: My bad for some reason I thought Adam had the gem. I guess he loses this.

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WWH would be a great fight for BA without the power gem. With the gem its a curb stomp

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@beaconofstrength: Who knows. Hulk is my number one hero but i can admit when he could lose. I honestly see either hulk ending this in a few hits or BA surviving long enough to speed blitz.

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@cregan_stark: Are you sure? Should i change hulk to just WWH?

Yes. WWH turned Hercules and Sentry's face's into hamburger with three punches. If he had the power gem he'd knock their heads off.

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@esquirehulk: regular Hulk with the power gem would crush BA like an insect. WWH against BA is a good match, but with the power gem its a complete stomp. BA has speed advantage but Hulk has fought much faster people.

Make it WWH vs BA and take away the gem

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#18  Edited By EsquireHulk

@unbreakable_fs4: WW3 black adam if o recall i have to go and look.

If that isn't current I'm sorry but i stopped following DC.

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#19  Edited By Sy8000

Hulk stomps. He would win without all the advantages OP gave him.

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Changed it so Hulk doesn't have the gem anymore but they have general knowledge of each other.

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@esquirehulk: It's not current. New-52 Superman is more powerful than current Adam. Adam has a speed advantage over Hulk but I don't see it being that much of a factor considering Adam doesn't use it to the degree Superman does. Hulk has showed he can counter speedsters as well. He may not have speed to the degree of Adam but he has enough to not get overwhelmed by that aspect.

It was a good idea removing the Power Gem, it would've made it unfair.

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#22  Edited By BeaconofStrength

Hulk still stomps. Current BA is nothing.

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@unbreakable_fs4: Hahaaaa I completely forgot they had the N52,considering I own 3 of the comics.

Who do you guys think would be the best incarnation of Black Adam to be on equal terms with WWH.

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@esquirehulk: Just go with Pre-52 Adam he was very comparable to Pre-52 Supes but without the huge versatility

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@mee09 said:

Black Adam wins.

Hulk has the power gem, he destroys BA with it. It's a good enough battle without any power ups, giving WWH the pg and pitting him against other powerhouses without any power ups for them is insane.

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#27  Edited By EsquireHulk

@lordraiden: He made a mistake and I made it so it's just WWH vs current ba, no Gem.

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#28  Edited By Jmarshmallow

@esquirehulk: WWH is just a PIS filled character, but because of that all of his feats are valid.

Same with characters like Karate Kid and Squirrel Girl.

Their entire being is PIS, thus to discuss the character you have to accept the ridiculousness along with it.

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@esquirehulk: WWH is just a PIS filled character, but because of that all of his feats are valid.

Same with characters like Karate Kid and Squirrel Girl.

Their entire being is PIS, thus to discuss the character you have to accept the ridiculousness along with it.

Jmarshmallow

And BA taking on most of the DCU in WWIII and MM not being able to deal with him with tp isn't pis??

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#30  Edited By EsquireHulk

@jmarshmallow: Nah I think it's just Pak made a mistake with a few characters. IMHO, WBH is the PiS machine. At that level he hasn't shown to be able to be hurt in any way shape or form so that's why i hate it when they say Thanos can beat WBH.

WWH was cunning, had tactical training as well as had thorough knowledge of how these people operate so I'm sure WWH was able to rock these guys.

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@jmarshmallow: didnt they explain WWH's amp? If so then it's not really PIS, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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#33  Edited By Jmarshmallow

@lordraiden: Oh, it most definitely is.

But nobody BA beat, WWH couldn't.

And MM being unable to mindrape him has been "retconned" so to speak, because IIRC he was able to do so just fine in a later instance.

However, even if I'm wrong about that, it's irrelevant, because WWH doesn't use TP anyway.

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@esquirehulk: @cregan_stark: They "explained" it, but it doesn't make it any less sketchy lol.

Personally, I think the whole concept of "PIS" is dumb and a tad abused in the first place, so I have no problem with any of WWH's feats.

But certain people take offense to them, and I can certainly see why they do from an unbiased perspective.

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@jmarshmallow: Yeah I know. We don't really have a choice, we aren't the ones who write the comics but if i did you can bet there wouldn't be so many omega level mutants and omnipotents running around. Like Franklin? How does a father who stretch with a mother who creates force fields and invisibility create a son that has reality warping powers? Either way if it's not PiS it was meant to happen like Hulk crushing strange's hand. Hulk knew strange would try to talk it out so he used that as a tactical advantage to avoid him from casting spells.

Like i said WWH knew what he was getting into and who whereas these people underestimated hulk.

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#36  Edited By Jmarshmallow

@esquirehulk: I totally agree! No argument here!

Especially on the Franklin bit.

I like him as a character, but that never made sense to me...

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This is massively one-sided in the Hulk's favour, and despite the lack of recognition, regular Hulk receives; this is WWH, and the power gem.

Black Adam loses for sure.

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@jmarshmallow: they have been consistent lately with his upgrades though if I'm not mistaken.

I've also wondered why Franklin Richards aaa as so powerful but lots of stuff in comics don't make sense but that's what makes them fun.

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WWH would beat current Black Adam. Current Teth, like many New 52 versions, lacks feats and showings. Pre52 BA could take WWH imo but that thread has already been done.

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@shazam117: I can always give a full edit and change the incarnation of BA

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Hulk, still.

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@jmarshmallow: Yeah I think it's weird that they had to make the offsprings like that. To me the closest children to their parents was Skaar, had hulk like abilities as well as the oldstrong(?) powers and the kids of flash for obvious reasons.

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#44  Edited By BRAX

If this were Pre-52 Black Adam Vs World War Hulk (W/O knowledge of the gem) I would go with BA..But since it isn't, WWHULK dominates this fight..

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Adam should take this