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#1 Edited by Noone301994 (5651 posts) - - Show Bio

Both get 7 hours of prep, fight to death or KO.

#2 Posted by Your_Friendly_Azn (324 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol Doom with prep is dangerous bro.

#3 Posted by SheenLantern (6801 posts) - - Show Bio

This is an easy win for Doom.

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#4 Edited by dondave (38537 posts) - - Show Bio
#5 Edited by JwwProd (10078 posts) - - Show Bio

Dr Doom with prep wins extremely easily.

#6 Posted by Soothing_Sounds (1718 posts) - - Show Bio

Under-estimation of WBH/Banner combo. Banner by himself was capable of putting up a fight technically against Doom, his genius plus Hulk should be able to challenge the extreme genius/ magical capabilities of Doom. Honestly i don't know who wins, but it's definetly not an easy win for Doom. It may be a win, but not an easy win.

#7 Posted by SHAZAM117 (3320 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom ftw

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#8 Edited by comic_book_fan (5716 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom.

#9 Posted by green_skaar (4415 posts) - - Show Bio

Not a single reason given for Doom winning.

#10 Posted by Stupid_People (1248 posts) - - Show Bio

can hulk be banner for his prep because if so, this would be no easy win for doom. Also, even without it, i know doom is a prep master but what does anyone have in mind that he could do that would put wbh down? not stating a winner yet but would like to know of ideas for doom

#11 Edited by _Cerberus_ (3448 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom uses a time traveling device to exploit the prep rule and creates an energy absorbing device (similar to the ones he has used on the Silver Surfer) to cure Banner before killing him with a super human pimp smack augmented by a super power glove as so.

but not before saying "What did the five fingers say to the face?"

and now for anybody who reads this post.

#12 Posted by BigCimmerian (8584 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree that Doom wins, but what can he do to WB Hulk with prep?

#13 Posted by DarkRaiden (7719 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree that Doom wins, but what can he do to WB Hulk with prep?

*takes deep breath*

Drain his energy powers with whatever's built into his suit, build an anti-gamma machine or just a gamma cancellation machine, use his anti-matter gun, freeze him in time, inhibitor ray, power sapper, neuron scrambler, brain umm....scrambler or w/e, electricity that stunned even Thor, summon the mindless ones, use magic like how he destroyed that IIRC cosmic empowered Hulk clone, trap him in a forcefield, BFR him, take him down with magic....again.

#14 Posted by BigCimmerian (8584 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigcimmerian said:

I agree that Doom wins, but what can he do to WB Hulk with prep?

*takes deep breath*

Drain his energy powers with whatever's built into his suit, build an anti-gamma machine or just a gamma cancellation machine, use his anti-matter gun, freeze him in time, inhibitor ray, power sapper, neuron scrambler, brain umm....scrambler or w/e, electricity that stunned even Thor, summon the mindless ones, use magic like how he destroyed that IIRC cosmic empowered Hulk clone, trap him in a forcefield, BFR him, take him down with magic....again.

Where was Doom during World War Hulk event lol?

#15 Posted by GhostRavage (9194 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: All countered by Banner... Any tech goes down against Banner tech... Marvel Basics. Which would only leave Doom with magic, WBH Ultimately busting him.

Btw: All this happened on Panel besides the WBH part.

#16 Posted by DarkRaiden (7719 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: All countered by Banner... Any tech goes down against Banner tech... Marvel Basics. Which would only leave Doom with magic, WBH Ultimately busting him.

Btw: All this happened on Panel besides the WBH part.

Yeah except Banner tech already worked once against Doom (which was dumb tbh), Doom's likely already prepped against it and made anti-banner tech of his own, and especially can in 7 hours. Also Banner and Hulk don't get along so Hulk doesn't tend to use banner tech.

#17 Edited by GhostRavage (9194 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden said:

@ghostravage said:

@darkraiden: All countered by Banner... Any tech goes down against Banner tech... Marvel Basics. Which would only leave Doom with magic, WBH Ultimately busting him.

Btw: All this happened on Panel besides the WBH part.

Yeah except Banner tech already worked once against Doom (which was dumb tbh), Doom's likely already prepped against it and made anti-banner tech of his own, and especially can in 7 hours. Also Banner and Hulk don't get along so Hulk doesn't tend to use banner tech.

Yeah... Speculate all you want, at least i have a real instance where Doom lost to Banner Tech... And Banne even outsmarted him by cancelling his magic as well...

Anyway, in this case Hulk is using Banner Tech... And since it's World Breaker Hulk, Hulk and Banner are in some kind of harmony like in the entire Pak's run. They both share feelings for the same woman. And at the end of the "Son of Wrath" its quite visible how Hulk and Banner become one.

#18 Posted by Noone301994 (5651 posts) - - Show Bio

How could Doom beat WBH?

#19 Posted by DarkRaiden (7719 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden said:

@ghostravage said:

@darkraiden: All countered by Banner... Any tech goes down against Banner tech... Marvel Basics. Which would only leave Doom with magic, WBH Ultimately busting him.

Btw: All this happened on Panel besides the WBH part.

Yeah except Banner tech already worked once against Doom (which was dumb tbh), Doom's likely already prepped against it and made anti-banner tech of his own, and especially can in 7 hours. Also Banner and Hulk don't get along so Hulk doesn't tend to use banner tech.

Yeah... Speculate all you want, at least i have a real instance where Doom lost to Banner Tech... And Banne even outsmarted him by cancelling his magic as well...

Anyway, in this case Hulk is using Banner Tech... And since it's World Breaker Hulk, Hulk and Banner are in some kind of harmony like in the entire Pak's run. They both share feelings for the same woman. And at the end of the "Son of Wrath" its quite visible how Hulk and Banner become one.

Yeah i know...hence why i said it was dumb aka PIS.

#20 Posted by GhostRavage (9194 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: Lol! How can you consider it PIS when Banner's IQ couldn't even be measured and was considered 1 of the 4 smartest people stated by Tony himself... Even M.O.D.O.K admitted that between the smartest people around the earth, Banner was the most dangerous.

Call it what you want, but Banner outsmarted Doom and beat him in his own field... Everytime Banner comes and applies his intellect against other smarty pants like him he always does this things...

Currently he outsmarted Tony making a code he couldn't solve...

You're underestimating Banner, which in Pak's run became more ambitious than Doom himself...

#21 Posted by DarkRaiden (7719 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: Lol! How can you consider it PIS when Banner's IQ couldn't even be measured and was considered 1 of the 4 smartest people stated by Tony himself... Even M.O.D.O.K admitted that between the smartest people around the earth, Banner was the most dangerous.

Call it what you want, but Banner outsmarted Doom and beat him in his own field... Everytime Banner comes and applies his intellect against other smarty pants like him he always does this things...

Currently he outsmarted Tony making a code he couldn't solve...

You're underestimating Banner, which in Pak's run became more ambitious than Doom himself...

Because Doom's supposed to be 2nd or 1st in the world. Because Doom's magic is so high up, he's surpassed Morgan La Fey, defeated the Avengers and Hulk wit it, and Dr. Strange doesn't understand some of it, but Banner can just shut him down? Doesn't seem to make much sense when you think about it. And Doom's tech has taken on beings like Galactus and Franklin Richards, but apparently Banner Tech is too much. Doesn't make much sense really.

#22 Posted by GhostRavage (9194 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: So what? Reed Richards is supposed to be the smartest human alive yet Tony beat him in chess... Im telling you something, think whatever you want, but when you're up there between the 4 smartest people in the world... The places may vary from time to time. You considering it PIS it's a biased assumption and actually, you don't have nothing to support it...

#23 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (6764 posts) - - Show Bio

WB Hulk. Unless Doom was ahead of prepping.

#24 Posted by DarkRaiden (7719 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: So what? Reed Richards is supposed to be the smartest human alive yet Tony beat him in chess... Im telling you something, think whatever you want, but when you're up there between the 4 smartest people in the world... The places may vary from time to time. You considering it PIS it's a biased assumption and actually, you don't have nothing to support it...

So....you don't think Stark beating Richards is dumb writing? I mean we KNOW Richards is much smarter. And Banner ever outsmarting tech that The Beyonder couldn't outsmart and canceling magic that Dr. Strange, Morgan La Fey, and Brother Voodoo couldn't cancel is and always will be PIS and you know it. It makes no logical sense. It's not assumption, it's based off of prior facts and showings of both.

#25 Posted by Bezza (3732 posts) - - Show Bio

Still not sure how you beat Hulk once he is at WB level? Can Doom actually get near him, if the planet hulk is standing on, is in the middle of exploding, which is what eventually happens with a World Breaker Hulk?

#26 Posted by RogueShadow (11125 posts) - - Show Bio

WBH and Banner seem to have a pretty good relationship, and Banner is on Doom level intellect I'd go with WBH eveytime. Without Banner, it's still WBH 6/10.

#27 Posted by GhostRavage (9194 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: No one knows more about Gamma Radiation than Banner, TOny is hell of a bteer engineer than Reed, Doom is better with robotics than Reed, but Reed is better with cosmic theory...

The thing here is you're basing yourself from the point of lowballing other smarty pants to overrate Doom. Stealing the powers of a naive and stupid character like Beyonder isn't that great... You SHOULD consider that instance PIS... Not the other way around...

Morgan Le Fay and Dr. Strange... blah blah... You always use the same feats for everything uh? Does Doom or nay of them has managed to cancel Juggernaut's magic? Because Banner did...

No one is saying Banner is smarter than Doom, it's just Banner has the upperhand against people like him due to the tech he has developed... Which is corroborated on panel and not based on major speculation.

Im done with you, think whatever you want, but this isn't the naive Beyonder, this isn't Morgan Le Fay nor Dr. Strange... This isn't Galactus... This is Banner, someone on the same tier of ambitiousness and intelligence as Doom. Add on this WBH and its a solid stomp.

#28 Posted by DarkRaiden (7719 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: No one knows more about Gamma Radiation than Banner, TOny is hell of a bteer engineer than Reed, Doom is better with robotics than Reed, but Reed is better with cosmic theory...

The thing here is you're basing yourself from the point of lowballing other smarty pants to overrate Doom. Stealing the powers of a naive and stupid character like Beyonder isn't that great... You SHOULD consider that instance PIS... Not the other way around...

Morgan Le Fay and Dr. Strange... blah blah... You always use the same feats for everything uh? Does Doom or nay of them has managed to cancel Juggernaut's magic? Because Banner did...

No one is saying Banner is smarter than Doom, it's just Banner has the upperhand against people like him due to the tech he has developed... Which is corroborated on panel and not based on major speculation.

Im done with you, think whatever you want, but this isn't the naive Beyonder, this isn't Morgan Le Fay nor Dr. Strange... This isn't Galactus... This is Banner, someone on the same tier of ambitiousness and intelligence as Doom. Add on this WBH and its a solid stomp.

You know Galactus is smarter than Reed and Banner right? Reed could barely understand his tech, if at all. And still he fell to Doom.

And I'm not lowballing anyone. Banner has no other feats besides that one PIS feat that suggests he's close to Doom with his intelligence. Doom's tech and intelligence has Doombots beating Thor and Surfer, has him taking powers from Surfer, Galactus, Beyonder, Franklin Richards, etc. Hell he built a machine that got him heaven! He's time controlled and time stopped and w/e. Banner has nothing close to that. That's why it's dumb writing.

And Thor has managed to cancel Juggernaut's magic for a while....and yet his magic was nothing to Doom or Strange or anything really. Doom.....I don't remember Doom meeting Juggernaut any time recently so....not that it matters as Doom has magic beyond the understanding of Sorcerer Supremes and the like. And btw WBH still can't beat Doom without tech because he can't even beat the Mindless Ones.

#29 Posted by HellionVulcan (3867 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom with prep wins without it he loses after a good fight .

#30 Posted by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (2009 posts) - - Show Bio

WBHulk would crush him.

#31 Posted by SheenLantern (6801 posts) - - Show Bio

Not a single reason given for Doom winning.

Doom goes back in time, stops Banner from gaining his powers. Banner shows up unable to turn into the Hulk. Doom one-shots him.

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#32 Posted by green_skaar (4415 posts) - - Show Bio

@green_skaar said:

Not a single reason given for Doom winning.

Doom goes back in time, stops Banner from gaining his powers. Banner shows up unable to turn into the Hulk. Doom one-shots him.

The fight is WBH vs DD, if Banner can't turn into Hulk than the fight never takes place.

#33 Posted by SheenLantern (6801 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern said:

@green_skaar said:

Not a single reason given for Doom winning.

Doom goes back in time, stops Banner from gaining his powers. Banner shows up unable to turn into the Hulk. Doom one-shots him.

The fight is WBH vs DD, if Banner can't turn into Hulk than the fight never takes place.

*Sigh*

Fine, he steals Surfer's powers again.

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#34 Edited by green_skaar (4415 posts) - - Show Bio

@green_skaar said:

@sheenlantern said:

@green_skaar said:

Not a single reason given for Doom winning.

Doom goes back in time, stops Banner from gaining his powers. Banner shows up unable to turn into the Hulk. Doom one-shots him.

The fight is WBH vs DD, if Banner can't turn into Hulk than the fight never takes place.

*Sigh*

Fine, he steals Surfer's powers again.

So it's a given Doom just steals Surfer's powers if given 7 hours? Hmmm.

#35 Posted by SheenLantern (6801 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern said:

@green_skaar said:

@sheenlantern said:

@green_skaar said:

Not a single reason given for Doom winning.

Doom goes back in time, stops Banner from gaining his powers. Banner shows up unable to turn into the Hulk. Doom one-shots him.

The fight is WBH vs DD, if Banner can't turn into Hulk than the fight never takes place.

*Sigh*

Fine, he steals Surfer's powers again.

So it's a given Doom just steals Surfer's powers if given 7 hours? Hmmm.

He literally has the Cosmic Power Siphon Harness just lying around. It doesn't even have to be Surfer, just any cosmic being he can meet in 7 hours.

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#36 Posted by ThatGuyWithHeadPhones (11527 posts) - - Show Bio

@green_skaar said:

@sheenlantern said:

@green_skaar said:

Not a single reason given for Doom winning.

Doom goes back in time, stops Banner from gaining his powers. Banner shows up unable to turn into the Hulk. Doom one-shots him.

The fight is WBH vs DD, if Banner can't turn into Hulk than the fight never takes place.

*Sigh*

Fine, he steals Surfer's powers again.

So what, in 7 hours he can just get the Surfer's powers...does he have on a leash or something.

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#38 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (6108 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom

#39 Edited by CoolCat33 (51 posts) - - Show Bio

@_cerberus_: Things much more powerful than Doom have not been able to drain Hulk of his power!!!

#40 Posted by CoolCat33 (51 posts) - - Show Bio

Easy win, Hulk stomps once and destroys whatever world they are fighting on!

#41 Posted by ShazamFan666 (422 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigcimmerian said:

I agree that Doom wins, but what can he do to WB Hulk with prep?

*takes deep breath*

Drain his energy powers with whatever's built into his suit, build an anti-gamma machine or just a gamma cancellation machine, use his anti-matter gun, freeze him in time, inhibitor ray, power sapper, neuron scrambler, brain umm....scrambler or w/e, electricity that stunned even Thor, summon the mindless ones, use magic like how he destroyed that IIRC cosmic empowered Hulk clone, trap him in a forcefield, BFR him, take him down with magic....again.

lol

#42 Posted by Bo88gdan (4414 posts) - - Show Bio

Dr Doom probably

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#44 Posted by GhostRavage (9194 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage said:

@darkraiden: No one knows more about Gamma Radiation than Banner, TOny is hell of a bteer engineer than Reed, Doom is better with robotics than Reed, but Reed is better with cosmic theory...

The thing here is you're basing yourself from the point of lowballing other smarty pants to overrate Doom. Stealing the powers of a naive and stupid character like Beyonder isn't that great... You SHOULD consider that instance PIS... Not the other way around...

Morgan Le Fay and Dr. Strange... blah blah... You always use the same feats for everything uh? Does Doom or nay of them has managed to cancel Juggernaut's magic? Because Banner did...

No one is saying Banner is smarter than Doom, it's just Banner has the upperhand against people like him due to the tech he has developed... Which is corroborated on panel and not based on major speculation.

Im done with you, think whatever you want, but this isn't the naive Beyonder, this isn't Morgan Le Fay nor Dr. Strange... This isn't Galactus... This is Banner, someone on the same tier of ambitiousness and intelligence as Doom. Add on this WBH and its a solid stomp.

You know Galactus is smarter than Reed and Banner right? Reed could barely understand his tech, if at all. And still he fell to Doom.

And I'm not lowballing anyone. Banner has no other feats besides that one PIS feat that suggests he's close to Doom with his intelligence. Doom's tech and intelligence has Doombots beating Thor and Surfer, has him taking powers from Surfer, Galactus, Beyonder, Franklin Richards, etc. Hell he built a machine that got him heaven! He's time controlled and time stopped and w/e. Banner has nothing close to that. That's why it's dumb writing.

And Thor has managed to cancel Juggernaut's magic for a while....and yet his magic was nothing to Doom or Strange or anything really. Doom.....I don't remember Doom meeting Juggernaut any time recently so....not that it matters as Doom has magic beyond the understanding of Sorcerer Supremes and the like. And btw WBH still can't beat Doom without tech because he can't even beat the Mindless Ones.

  • I don't know why you're mentioning this when Galactus always falls to Reed even though Galactus is supposedly smarter than anyone on earth... Irrelevant and ABC logic does not work here.
  • Banner is on Doom's tier of intelligence... Instead of lowballing because Doom lost to him go to Hulk respect thread and read about Banner's feat... My god.
  • Lol... Pak's run was pretty good. Kudos, now i have an even better impression about you.
  • Juggernaut's magic comes from an extradimensional source called Cytorrak... That comparison is weak... Nonetheless, Hulk was busting Umar's shields by thunderclapping people, someone who was on Dormammu's tier... but nah, Doom is god and everything he does could be considered legit and not PIS at all. Yes yes... That is... mmm... yeah. I don't know why... But i remember Doom ending like an used can when he received a punch by Thanos with the Power Gem... It didn't destroy the planet but WBH just by clashing with someone can do it... But Nah... WBH is too weak for Doom... DUH. DOOM IS THE STRONGEST ONE THERE IS...
#45 Edited by dakkad00d (119 posts) - - Show Bio

/thread

#46 Edited by MrPhoenix (344 posts) - - Show Bio

@dakkad00d: wasn't that the cyborg Hulk?

Anyway like someone said before WBH would destroy the battlefield if a fight was to take place, and saying an easy win for Doom with prep is ridiculous, Banner with prep is also going to be dangerous and could most likely prepare Hulk against Doom.

#47 Posted by Pipxeroth (500 posts) - - Show Bio

Surfer's powers won't make him beat hulk. That said, i still think he could take this, but he'd have to pull out some pretty powerful magic.

- Pip

#48 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio
#49 Edited by Bossmonster (2268 posts) - - Show Bio

World Breaker!

#50 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio