Frozen is going to win since everybody hates Hulk on this website. xD
"Be water my friend"
Boy do I hate the Hulk, but i'm not going to say Supes win's because I hate him. Supes does win though. Really no version of the hulk even beat's Superman.
Thank you, Frozen. I'll try not to dissapoint mcool135 lol. Okay, to start, I don't believe that Superman has the power to KO WB Hulk. Hulk was shown to be able to survive enough energy output to destroy a planet and the moon(s) next to it. Superman hasn't shown the ability to destroy a planet, at all. Also, Hulk's punches unleashed enough force to not only destroy half of said planet but also incinerate a couple of characters who are equal to Savage Hulk, and he wasn't enraged at the time. It was actually noted that he was enjoying himself. Here, he'd probably be angrier. Now, Superman isn't weak by any means but I don't think he can take more than a few blows from World Breaker before he goes down.
You guys realize this isn't based on who we think wins but who has the best argument...80sbaby could win if his points are better. We should at least wait until the argument begins.
Thank you, Frozen. I'll try not to dissapoint mcool135 lol. Okay, to start, I don't believe that Superman has the power to KO WB Hulk. Hulk was shown to be able to survive enough energy output to destroy a planet and the moon(s) next to it. Superman hasn't shown the ability to destroy a planet, at all. Also, Hulk's punches unleashed enough force to not only destroy half of said planet but also incinerate a couple of characters who are equal to Savage Hulk, and he wasn't enraged at the time. It was actually noted that he was enjoying himself. Here, he'd probably be angrier. Now, Superman isn't weak by any means but I don't think he can take more than a few blows from World Breaker before he goes down.
What makes you think Superman has to rely on his strength? He has speed and some fighting skill, couple that with his strength and he can KO him. To my knowledge, Superman helped Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman move the Earth. Could you also show scans to this feat? World Breaker Hulk wasn't like World War Hulk, he may have been stronger but his state of mind was not stable. Superman isn't slow, and he sure as hell isn't going to stand there and let World Breaker Hulk hit him. Superman has a wide array of powers that he incorporates into his fighting style while fighting other enemies. Not only is he faster but he is sure as hell smarter, strength is also debatable.
@Frozen: True, physical strength isn't the only thing Superman brings to the table, however, I haven't seen Clark show enough skill to defeat someone with WB Hulk's strength/durability (his fighting skills didn't seem to make much difference to H/P Doomsday, for example.) As for speed, Superman has only shown to use it to increase his power on 2 occasions, that I know of: 1. When he split that moon in the Superman 2000 book and 2. When he rammed into the Shadow moon and KO'd himself in the process. Now, Grey Hulk has destroyed an asteroid 2x's the size of Earth using the same method (ramming) and wasn't KO'd and World Breaker is MUCH, MUCH stronger than that. As far as Hulk tagging Clark, well, we all know that Supes is a nice guy and so doesn't use his full speed capabilities in combat, for fear of accidently killing his opponent. That CIS (which is permissible in debates here) tendency to hold back will be his undoing here, methinks. I do have scans I will be posting but can't do so from my workk computer (stupid job!) so will post them in the a.m, if that's cool.
True, physical strength isn't the only thing Superman brings to the table, however, I haven't seen Clark show enough skill to defeat someone with WB Hulk's strength/durability (his fighting skills didn't seem to make much difference to H/P Doomsday, for example.)
Doomsday evolves. His durability is insane, far more durable than The Hulk. I'm still trying to recall this issue, if anyone remind me that would be very appreciated. I remember reading it but I sold it a few months ago, this was around the time when Superman meets all those Kryptonians. Anyways, here you go bud.
I've also seen a scan where Superman uses a pressure point on Batman, but I haven't read that issue so I won't use that as a source. My point is, Superman has more combat skills than Hulk. I'd say it won't take long until he until he starts to use his skills.
As for speed, Superman has only shown to use it to increase his power on 2 occasions, that I know of: 1. When he split that moon in the Superman 2000 book and 2. When he rammed into the Shadow moon and KO'd himself in the process. Now, Grey Hulk has destroyed an asteroid 2x's the size of Earth using the same method (ramming) and wasn't KO'd and World Breaker is MUCH, MUCH stronger than that.
There is a reason he doesn't use his speed. It's because nearly all characters in comic books don't use their abilities very well. This happens alot, comic book characters not using their abilities to their fullest. But he's not fighting a sane person here, World Breaker Hulk was enraged. Also, Hulk was propelled into it, it's not a strength feat. It's a durability feat, and it doesn't apply in combat. He can pull off a durability feat like that but then get hurt in combat.
As I said, him being propelled into it helped him.
As far as Hulk tagging Clark, well, we all know that Supes is a nice guy and so doesn't use his full speed capabilities in combat, for fear of accidently killing his opponent.
To Superman, he is just going to see a raging monster. He doesn't know that Hulk is banner, so I doubt he will hold back like he does with other characters.
I do have scans I will be posting but can't do so from my workk computer (stupid job!) so will post them in the a.m, if that's cool.
Doomsday evolves. His durability is insane, far more durable than The Hulk. I'm still trying to recall this issue, if anyone remind me that would be very appreciated. I remember reading it but I sold it a few months ago, this was around the time when Superman meets all those Kryptonians. Anyways, here you go bud.
Superman: The World Of New Krypton, Issue no 3, page no 19.
@Ancient_0f_Days: I think I saw all of them in a respect thread, IIRC they are saved in my computer. But that's not as bad you think, alot of those feats won't even apply here.
@Ancient_0f_Days: Few scans are questionable, specially the megaddon one because all he manage to do was move the engine, now we know megaddon is capable of moving on his own, so its hard to tell how much input superman had or how much did he move it. The ship might be the size of the jupitor, engine wont be that huge.
Also is Superman confidential even considered cannon? i am asking this because there are some ridiculous feats in Batman confidential 51 where Batman beat like flash, wonder woman , aquaman and someone else on his own, in a h2h fight without prep.
You guys realize this isn't based on who we think wins but who has the best argument...80sbaby could win if his points are better. We should at least wait until the argument begins.
That's what you think but there's already a load of Superman fan boys "laughing" about the topic. Ain't going to end well. Maybe only debaters with 2,000 post or more should be able to vote.
Or there should be dedicated judges. 5 to 7 of them. If you guys want I will volunteer to be an official judge if need be.
I was under the impression this was between Frozen and 80s. Seems like a few people who can't read + Frozen against 80s more like it.
It is and only one person other than those two has posted anything about the battle, and those were in spoiler tags. If the people debating view the tags even knowing that they are there for the express purpose of not influencing the debate that's no one's problem but there own.
So I don't really understand what your complaint is.
You guys realize this isn't based on who we think wins but who has the best argument...80sbaby could win if his points are better. We should at least wait until the argument begins.
That's what you think but there's already a load of Superman fan boys "laughing" about the topic. Ain't going to end well. Maybe only debaters with 2,000 post or more should be able to vote.
Or there should be dedicated judges. 5 to 7 of them. If you guys want I will volunteer to be an official judge if need be.
@Frozen: Well I would PM some users here to be the judges. It's always best that way. I've been in a debate and have judged for other debates before. It just becomes a war. If you guys manage to organize the judging, I'm in. I'll read post by post.
I agree with selecting judges as a few posters on here are already pretty biased. FYI, a few of Ancient_Of_Days scans are out of context but that's a different debate. Anyways, I'll be back with my rebuttal/scans in a few.
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