Wonder woman vs Rogue

@Evil Incarnate said:

I was gonna say all that. :(

You snooze, you lose. :p

@Erik said:

There is absolutely no way Rogue is winning this unless someone like you gets to write some fan fiction that seriously jobs Wonder Woman.

Stealing the format of this line for future use.

The only way wonder woman is losing this is if rouge has stolen the powers of someone with over the top powers through some miracle like: superman, captain marvel, thor, silver surfer,etc but thats it....Wonder woman stomps under normal conditions and rogue gets 1 shotted. This should be locked

Not necessarily accurate but I thought it was pretty cool.

@Erik said:

@Godabed said:

I only listed one form of fighting that she uses, not discounting others, it's just the one that came to mind. That does not change the fact that she will have to come into physical contact with Rogue, and Rogue still has the element of surprise.You bring up a good point about her clothing, Rogue's body is usually fully coverage except for her face and neck. When WW isn't punching someone in the face or she tends to put them in a hold, this makes it highly likely that she will come in to skin to skin contact. There is also the surprise kiss, that always catches the opponent off guard. The lasso is a none factor because of Rogue's seventh sense, it could be dodged or caught. You claim that she doesn't have the durability to stand a single punch, provide the proof, that she can be taken out with one punch. She has been punched into orbit and wasn't KO'ed so i seriously doubt WW is going to KO in one punch, i'll be waiting for that evidence. In forums you don't go by the showings you like best you go by consistent showings of the character, we can look at all of WW first encounters with other people and see exactly how fast or how much force she actually exerts in those situation to see if she KO'ed people in one punch. I bet you she didn't on regular occassions. This is can also be judged by how the character is shown in normal fight situations, of course with the context of the fight being explained (best form of information on panel descriptions not subjective commentating by the reader). So no you don't simply "assume" that WW is using planet moving strength in a fight simply because you think she would. that's not what she is shown to do, she doesn't even do that when fighting superman who is stronger than her. The embolden part, wasn't to goat people into talking about those scenarios those were be be avoided, so I'm not even going to comment on what you said there.

• You listed it as though it was all she would or most likely would do. Neither are true.
• She does not have to come into physical contact with Rogue at all.
• Rogue does not have any element of surprise. She is the one that will be surprised by Wonder Woman's speed blitz. She will never even see the hit that knocks her out.
• Where are your facts supporting a face strike immediately followed by some kind of face hold? Rogue is not even going to take that first hit anyway.
• Right. Wonder Woman will just let Rogue kiss her. I suppose I can see how you might think that is a viable strategy since Diana comes from an island of women.
• Even IF Rogue had that ability (and I believe she used it once or twice in the 70s or 80s so essentially it does not exist), knowing you are screwed does not tell you how to avoid said loss.
• I can prove that Wonder Woman is on Superman tier strength levels. Now provide proof that Rogue can take a hit from that power range.
• If you seriously doubt Wonder Woman can knock Rogue out, you do not know much about either character. Rogue is human level durability and even at her most durable (when she had Ms. Marvel powers) she was only class 80 strength and barely pushing class 100 durability. Wonder Woman is well beyond 100 ton strength.
• Wonder Woman does not belt out full strength hits right out of the gate sure. The assumption is human until proven otherwise I am sure. But how is Rogue supposed to gauge Wonder Woman's power off of human level strikes eh? I will go ahead and assume for a moment that Rogue is classic and is back at class 80. Rogue takes a human level hit from Wonder Woman and what, decides to take the gloves off? You are dreaming. At best all that will happen is that Rogue will reveal her own power levels, allowing Wonder Woman to loosen the reigns a little more. Either way, by the time Rogue finds out she is completely outclassed, she is knocked out. Or better yet, how is Rogue going to deal with being incapacitated?
• I know what feats we consider. I have been on the battle forums a long time and can guarantee that I know the rules of the forum better than you. That said, Wonder Woman has often opened a fight with powerful strikes when she has known the opponent can handle them. So Wonder Woman will not necessarily open the battle with a planet cracking strike but she does not have to. She can deliver a marginally higher than human strike, evaluate Rogue's durability and strike again before Rogue has time to shake the first one off. And then, there is still the lasso that she has absolutely no answer for.

IIRC classic Rogue was in the 50 ton range.

@Evil Incarnate:

Even better.

@Godabed:

You are using a lot of words, but you are saying almost nothing at all. I already proved that Rogue cannot take a full power strike from Wonder Woman because I can prove her strength levels. You have yet to provide a single shred of proof to Rogue's ability to take even a single strike of that power. And if you want to use the specific time frame that this thread was created, that works great for me. Rogue did not even have enhanced durability back then. That was around the time of Children of the Vault. So this is, according to your own preference, a fight between Wonder Woman and a human that can sap power.

Even if Rogue can sap power, she certainly will not from a strike designed to knock out a human. Why? Because she will be knocked out. Rogue has one trick in her bag and it can only be used after she is unconscious. And again, you still have absolutely no answer for being bound, which is used just as often as any other Wonder Woman strategy.

every second Rogue makes skin contact the powers are absorb for an hour. This is going to take some calculation. No mater how fast WW can hit which i am guessing faster than a third of a second, Rogue will still absorb her powers. When fighting someone who can absorb powers by skin touch never fight close distance. If WW fights without that knowledge she would lose.

@Hazlenaut said:

every second Rogue makes skin contact the powers are absorb for an hour. This is going to take some calculation. No mater how fast WW can hit which i am guessing faster than a third of a second, Rogue will still absorb her powers. When fighting someone who can absorb powers by skin touch never fight close distance. If WW fights without that knowledge she would lose.

It is not an hour. It is 60x length of contact. So 1 minute for every second. Besides that, characters like Wonder Woman retain their powers even after getting siphoned because they just have too much power for Rogue. There is no guarantee that Rogue can even tip the scales in her favor even after a prolonged hold. Ares is a good example. A much much less powerful person than WW and yet after a prolonged touch, he was fine. If he could fly, her punch would have only been a surprise rather than a BFR.

@Erik: really you provided proof that WW could KO, Rogue with one punch? No only thing you said was you can prove she is on the same strength tier as superman. Which against strength isn't important. All you did was make guess about rogue's strength and durability, which is stretchy at best. Nothing to actually back it up at all. Also the reference to the 50 tons, isn't quite true. The machine rogue ordered from the FF4, displays the weight of 47.05. but her first rep was 50 tons, it states that she does this for over 15 minutes. uncanny 224. So it's a starting point to gauge her strength not her max.

What you did is never actually proved your case at all. The showing of WW during the time doesn't suggest she would do a speed blitz of any kind or KO in one hit. Be her opponent super durable or not.

Grant it, i did not read a lot of the x-men books during the Children of the Vault instance but I've read a few of them, I'm pretty sure that was when Rogue Acquired Sunfire's power permanently. Which also provided her with some physical impact protection. Along with his martial arts, and samurai training. Actually the scan i posted was from her solo series just before she took his powers.

As for the Ms. Marvel discussion as far as durability, read uncanny x-men 171, 218.

So changing the Rogues does change some things but not all, I'm going to end this conversation because i find your comments to be very personal and a little rude.

@Godabed:

1. Lol yes I provided proof through deduction.
2. Lifting 50 tons in high reps would prove that she is more than 50 max. I was under the impression that she was 80 ton anyway. Not that it matters because a full punch from that range of strength will not cause Diana any harm at all.
3. Not sure what your point was in the second paragraph. It seems like a disorganized thought.
4. Rogue could be the undisputed martial arts master of the planet and it will still avail her not against Diana.
5. Ms. Marvel was Binary at the time in 171. It is completely irrelevant for the purposes of this thread.
6. In 218, Rogue did absolutely nothing impressive until she kissed Juggernaut. She even expressed very clearly that she was in pain from when he swat her away. Then there is the fact that she should not even be able to sap Juggernaut in the first place due to many factors. One being his force field and the other being that he is powered by the Gem of Cyttorak, a gem that essentially grants him infinite power. It was just a plot driven issue.
7. If you do not like losing, then I would suggest you do leave. Your arguments may end up painting you in a corner as a fanboy were you to continue anyway. No one wants that.

This is not exactly wolverine vs vegeta but still spite

I could see this going either way. Its Wondy's to lose, depends on her attitude during the encounter. WW majority.

@Erik: There's no point in arguing. All the arguments for Rogue center around her going against the norm and immeadiately going for her absorbtion power as Wonder Woman casually sits around and waits for it. If both ladies fight in character Diana lassos her or if not in character Diana obliterates her before she can think to react.

@Godabed said:

@Erik: really you provided proof that WW could KO, Rogue with one punch? No only thing you said was you can prove she is on the same strength tier as superman. Which against strength isn't important. All you did was make guess about rogue's strength and durability, which is stretchy at best. Nothing to actually back it up at all. Also the reference to the 50 tons, isn't quite true. The machine rogue ordered from the FF4, displays the weight of 47.05. but her first rep was 50 tons, it states that she does this for over 15 minutes. uncanny 224. So it's a starting point to gauge her strength not her max.

What you did is never actually proved your case at all. The showing of WW during the time doesn't suggest she would do a speed blitz of any kind or KO in one hit. Be her opponent super durable or not.

Grant it, i did not read a lot of the x-men books during the Children of the Vault instance but I've read a few of them, I'm pretty sure that was when Rogue Acquired Sunfire's power permanently. Which also provided her with some physical impact protection. Along with his martial arts, and samurai training. Actually the scan i posted was from her solo series just before she took his powers.

As for the Ms. Marvel discussion as far as durability, read uncanny x-men 171, 218.

So changing the Rogues does change some things but not all, I'm going to end this conversation because i find your comments to be very personal and a little rude.

I guess I am a little curious as to how Rogue is going to come into physical contact with Wonder Woman in any way that it's Wonder Woman one-shotting her? Woman has faster reflexes than Superman and spars against the Flash while blindfolded. She is easily one of the top tier fighters in the DCU.

This Is Tricky It Can Go Either Way Really WW is a waaay better fighter n much stronger but if rogue gets her hands on her thats a wrap.

@Alexman113 said:

@Godabed said:

@Erik: really you provided proof that WW could KO, Rogue with one punch? No only thing you said was you can prove she is on the same strength tier as superman. Which against strength isn't important. All you did was make guess about rogue's strength and durability, which is stretchy at best. Nothing to actually back it up at all. Also the reference to the 50 tons, isn't quite true. The machine rogue ordered from the FF4, displays the weight of 47.05. but her first rep was 50 tons, it states that she does this for over 15 minutes. uncanny 224. So it's a starting point to gauge her strength not her max.

What you did is never actually proved your case at all. The showing of WW during the time doesn't suggest she would do a speed blitz of any kind or KO in one hit. Be her opponent super durable or not.

Grant it, i did not read a lot of the x-men books during the Children of the Vault instance but I've read a few of them, I'm pretty sure that was when Rogue Acquired Sunfire's power permanently. Which also provided her with some physical impact protection. Along with his martial arts, and samurai training. Actually the scan i posted was from her solo series just before she took his powers.

As for the Ms. Marvel discussion as far as durability, read uncanny x-men 171, 218.

So changing the Rogues does change some things but not all, I'm going to end this conversation because i find your comments to be very personal and a little rude.

I guess I am a little curious as to how Rogue is going to come into physical contact with Wonder Woman in any way that it's Wonder Woman one-shotting her? Woman has faster reflexes than Superman and spars against the Flash while blindfolded. She is easily one of the top tier fighters in the DCU.

Her touching Rogue I guess.

@TaZzmaYniaN said:

This Is Tricky It Can Go Either Way Really WW is a waaay better fighter n much stronger but if rogue gets her hands on her thats a wrap.

Please dont bump mismatches.

It just brings spam to the front page.

@YoungJustice: Unless if the only time Diana makes skin-skin contact with Rogue is when her fist impacts with her head. (On the other hand if Diana lands a solid one against the midsection of Rogue, the fight could be over right there)

@Outside_85 said:

@YoungJustice: Unless if the only time Diana makes skin-skin contact with Rogue is when her fist impacts with her head. (On the other hand if Diana lands a solid one against the midsection of Rogue, the fight could be over right there)

Thats what I was talking about.........

Wonder Woman ftw....but it would be interesting to see how Rogues powers play out in the DC universe

Rogue gets decapitated in a second

This. Plus I think it would depend on who's powerset Rogue has acquired at the time.

Wonder Woman easy

Wasn't Rougea horseman of Apocolypse in some universe? If so, that is the only Rouge with a shot. The main universe Rouge does not have the feats or skill.

Death Battle did this one. They seem to have a large enough fan base that I believe their hype. Rogues Durability is far above her Str. She can take a hit from WW. and WW punches in the face in almost every fight she ever has. She don't wear gloves. She will probibally land a hit on Rogue's face, in witch case all their stats are now equal, and I even mean fighting ability, if not that Rogue has the advantage slightly. But Rogue still has her absorbing powers. She now has the stats to land more hits, and each hit drains WW more and more. Sometimes big manes loose to lesser ones. Show some scans of WW KO'ing peple with body blows, the blow in question being the first one she throws. You need to prove she fights like that on a regular basis, not just against Rogue because you really want her to win. Rogue, on the other had, has Absorbed Thor, Aries, Juggernaut. proving she can use her powers on Gods. This fight would Quickly become WW Vs WW with absorbing powers. When you word it that way, it should be easier to see who wins.

Screw deathbattle,wonder woman wins this.Even if rouge touches wonder woman it's going to be an armed WW vs WW unarmed. Wonderman still has her bracelets,rope,sword & shield. I'm not sure if rouge actually absorb the skill traits of characters.

WW blinkstomps.

rogue at her most powerful wins there are at least 2 versions of rogue who could win this.

WW wins this easy.

Rogue is better suited to fight one of the Teenagers on the Teen Titans rather than fighting Wonder Woman.

Wait let me call a mod @jashro44

WW stomps.