#1 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

Sword fight. No prep. Wonder Woman is depowered of course. Win by death, KO or incapitation. In character.

#2 Posted by Jmarshmallow (3273 posts) - - Show Bio

WW.

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#3 Edited by JwwProd (8459 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman.

#4 Edited by WarBlade539 (4450 posts) - - Show Bio

To quote @sc:- "Changing a characters powers would just generally screw with a characters head. Its like if a normal dude woke up tomorrow and had a baby's strength."

Wonder Woman will have immense difficulty trying to adjust to the loss of her powers and this gives Ra's a healthy chance to pull out a victory over the sexy Amazonian.

#5 Edited by XiiX (7142 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably Wonder Woman. For someone who's been at it the better part of a millenium, Ra's is pretty pathetic at fighting.

#6 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

To quote @sc:- "Changing a characters powers would just generally screw with a characters head. Its like if a normal dude woke up tomorrow and had a baby's strength."

Wonder Woman will have immense difficulty trying to adjust to the loss of her powers and this gives Ra's a healthy chance to pull out a victory over the sexy Amazonian.

The sexy Amazon HAS been depowered before, and she can fight pretty well while depowered.

#7 Posted by WarBlade539 (4450 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkazrael999 said:

To quote @sc:- "Changing a characters powers would just generally screw with a characters head. Its like if a normal dude woke up tomorrow and had a baby's strength."

Wonder Woman will have immense difficulty trying to adjust to the loss of her powers and this gives Ra's a healthy chance to pull out a victory over the sexy Amazonian.

The sexy Amazon HAS been depowered before, and she can fight pretty well while depowered.

Oh. Would you care to provide some scans? Not saying that I don't believe you just wanna see for myself.

#8 Posted by xcell777 (25 posts) - - Show Bio

@xiix said:

Probably Wonder Woman. For someone who's been at it the better part of a millenium, Ra's is pretty pathetic at fighting.

What makes you believe this?

#9 Edited by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_red_viper said:

@darkazrael999 said:

To quote @sc:- "Changing a characters powers would just generally screw with a characters head. Its like if a normal dude woke up tomorrow and had a baby's strength."

Wonder Woman will have immense difficulty trying to adjust to the loss of her powers and this gives Ra's a healthy chance to pull out a victory over the sexy Amazonian.

The sexy Amazon HAS been depowered before, and she can fight pretty well while depowered.

Oh. Would you care to provide some scans? Not saying that I don't believe you just wanna see for myself.

It's mostly beating fodder, but brutally beating them nontheless lol...

#10 Posted by Saren (25229 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's with one hand tied behind his back. The guy more or less invented fencing. And he's never been pathetic at fighting. He lost a lot of fights in recent years, primarily as a result of either not being in his own body or being in a body that was falling apart piece by piece. Losing to Nightwing was simple PIS. The time he stomped Tim Drake and the time he murdered Batman with a shovel should suffice as far as this thread goes.

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#11 Edited by WarBlade539 (4450 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkazrael999 said:

@the_red_viper said:

@darkazrael999 said:

To quote @sc:- "Changing a characters powers would just generally screw with a characters head. Its like if a normal dude woke up tomorrow and had a baby's strength."

Wonder Woman will have immense difficulty trying to adjust to the loss of her powers and this gives Ra's a healthy chance to pull out a victory over the sexy Amazonian.

The sexy Amazon HAS been depowered before, and she can fight pretty well while depowered.

Oh. Would you care to provide some scans? Not saying that I don't believe you just wanna see for myself.

It's mostly beating fodder, but brutally beating them nontheless lol...

Oh well! I concur. Diana wins.

*gives cookie*

#12 Edited by Wolverine08 (38109 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's with one hand tied behind his back. The guy more or less invented fencing. And he's never been pathetic at fighting. He lost a lot of fights in recent years, primarily as a result of either not being in his own body or being in a body that was falling apart piece by piece. Losing to Nightwing was simple PIS. The time he stomped Tim Drake and the time he murdered Batman with a shovel should suffice as far as this thread goes.

#13 Posted by WarBlade539 (4450 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane: Didn't Batman own him pretty easily in 'Hush'? Or would you consider that to be PIS?

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#15 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio
#16 Edited by Saren (25229 posts) - - Show Bio

I used to have the fight between Ra's and Batman in Birth of the Demon saved here somewhere, but I can't find it right now. Maybe later. I do have the Ra's vs Red Robin fight.

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#17 Posted by WarBlade539 (4450 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane: And didn't Batman himself say that Diana is a better fighter than him. So why shouldn't she be able to beat him.

Also, if Ra's is that good of a fighter, he shouldn't lose to Batman that easily. In that fight, Ra's wasn't any different from any generic Swordsman/Martial Artist thug. He should have at least held his own if he's as good as you claim him to be.

I am not saying that you're wrong or that Ra's isn't, just merely pointing out the fast that I haven't seen any notable, consistent feats of Ra's showcasing extreme skill.

#18 Edited by Wolverine08 (38109 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane: And didn't Batman himself say that Diana is a better fighter than him. So why shouldn't she be able to beat him.

Also, if Ra's is that good of a fighter, he shouldn't lose to Batman that easily. In that fight, Ra's wasn't any different from any generic Swordsman/Martial Artist thug. He should have at least held his own if he's as good as you claim him to be.

I am not saying that you're wrong or that Ra's isn't, just merely pointing out the fast that I haven't seen any notable, consistent feats of Ra's showcasing extreme skill.

Statements are good and all, but feats are vastly more important and hold more influence. And based on feats, Wonder Woman isn't beating Batman anytime soon.

#19 Posted by WarBlade539 (4450 posts) - - Show Bio

I used to have the fight between Ra's and Batman in Birth of the Demon saved here somewhere, but I can't find it right now. Maybe later. I do have the Ra's vs Red Robin fight.

Allright. I will yield. That's a pretty awesome showing. But didn't Bruce himself say that in terms of pure fighting skill, Diana is second to none. She is supposed to be one of DC's top Fighters, right?

#20 Posted by WarBlade539 (4450 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkazrael999 said:

@citizenbane: And didn't Batman himself say that Diana is a better fighter than him. So why shouldn't she be able to beat him.

Also, if Ra's is that good of a fighter, he shouldn't lose to Batman that easily. In that fight, Ra's wasn't any different from any generic Swordsman/Martial Artist thug. He should have at least held his own if he's as good as you claim him to be.

I am not saying that you're wrong or that Ra's isn't, just merely pointing out the fast that I haven't seen any notable, consistent feats of Ra's showcasing extreme skill.

Statements are good and all, but feats are vastly more important and hold more influence. And based on feats, Wonder Woman isn't beating Batman anytime soon.

Yeah. But we tend to take feats way too literally. Batman himself said that and so that should hold merit.
And Diana is a Class 100 being. She is not a street-leveller. So, she doesn't have as many instances where she can showcase her skill as a fighter as compared to say, Shiva. But it is known through-out DC that Diana is a top-tier being as far as skill is concerned and she is also a master swordsman.

I see no reason as to why she shouldn't be able to take this.

#21 Edited by Erick_Williams (754 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Diana should take this

#22 Posted by Saren (25229 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane: And didn't Batman himself say that Diana is a better fighter than him. So why shouldn't she be able to beat him.

That was a one-off statement from a writer's who's notorious for that kind of thing. It was the same guy who had Superman claiming Wonder Woman was faster than him even though Diana's never done anything quicker than Superman has.

Any generic thug would have been one-shotted. You can attribute the Hush showing to Loeb if you want, most people do anyway.

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#23 Posted by RogueShadow (9803 posts) - - Show Bio

I go with Ra's.

#24 Edited by BigCimmerian (7845 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane said:

I used to have the fight between Ra's and Batman in Birth of the Demon saved here somewhere, but I can't find it right now. Maybe later. I do have the Ra's vs Red Robin fight.

Allright. I will yield. That's a pretty awesome showing. But didn't Bruce himself say that in terms of pure fighting skill, Diana is second to none. She is supposed to be one of DC's top Fighters, right?

He said she's probably the best melee fighter in the world, but statements like those are present in every comic book. Thor says that Odin is omnipotent, Hercules boasts about his father being omnipotent etc. In sword fight Ra's should win this, but it will be good battle.

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#25 Posted by nickzambuto (12677 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane: And didn't Batman himself say that Diana is a better fighter than him. So why shouldn't she be able to beat him.

Not exactly. Batman claimed Wonder Woman is "the best melee fighter in the world", which doesn't imply pure skill. I would think that the ability to lift over 100 tons makes you a pretty good melee fighter. So Batman probably figured that Diana's skills in conjunction with her powers is what made her the most useful during that time.

#26 Posted by Pokeysteve (7912 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't even think WW has any depowered sword fights.

#27 Edited by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't even think WW has any depowered sword fights.

She does. I posted some scans here:

@darkazrael999 said:

@the_red_viper said:

@darkazrael999 said:

To quote @sc:- "Changing a characters powers would just generally screw with a characters head. Its like if a normal dude woke up tomorrow and had a baby's strength."

Wonder Woman will have immense difficulty trying to adjust to the loss of her powers and this gives Ra's a healthy chance to pull out a victory over the sexy Amazonian.

The sexy Amazon HAS been depowered before, and she can fight pretty well while depowered.

Oh. Would you care to provide some scans? Not saying that I don't believe you just wanna see for myself.

It's mostly beating fodder, but brutally beating them nontheless lol...

#28 Edited by Bruxae (12210 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman.

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#33 Edited by WarBlade539 (4450 posts) - - Show Bio

@bruxae said:

@darkazrael999: Lynda Carter is such a fox.

You said it. xD
She's apparently a very talented musician and was in her own band.If there's a Wonder Woman remake, she should be in it, in the role of Hippolyta. :)

#34 Edited by Bruxae (12210 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkazrael999:

She should definetly have a role. If she was still young id easily vote for her to be the main star.

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#35 Edited by Experio (13480 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's has been around since olden times, Wonder Woman much longer than that. Its not only about the period but also how hard they've been training with swords and I'm guessing Amazonians are warriors who take their's very seriously. So I'm going with Diana.

But I wouldn't say Ra's doesnt stand a chance, theatricality and deception are powerful agents :)

#36 Posted by BigCimmerian (7845 posts) - - Show Bio

@experio said:

Ra's has been around since olden times, Wonder Woman much longer than that. Its not only about the period but also how hard they've been training with swords and I'm guessing Amazonians are warriors who take their's very seriously. So I'm going with Diana.

But I wouldn't say Ra's doesnt stand a chance, theatricality and deception are powerful agents :)

Diana is 23 years old.

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#37 Edited by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

bump.

#38 Edited by Pokeysteve (7912 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_red_viper said:

@pokeysteve said:

I don't even think WW has any depowered sword fights.

She does. I posted some scans here:

Only two of the first three is a sword fight and even that is sort of untrue because the beasts aren't using swords. This is Wonder Woman vs Ras and they both have swords. I don't recognize the first three scans either which feels wrong haha.

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Diana is 23 years old.

Where did you get that number? I don't remember reading that.

#39 Posted by patrat18 (8479 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's

#40 Posted by dondave (33471 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_red_viper said:

@pokeysteve said:

I don't even think WW has any depowered sword fights.

She does. I posted some scans here:

Only two of the first three is a sword fight and even that is sort of untrue because the beasts aren't using swords. This is Wonder Woman vs Ras and they both have swords. I don't recognize the first three scans either which feels wrong haha.

@bigcimmerian

Diana is 23 years old.

Where did you get that number? I don't remember reading that.

She's only that young in the New 52 IIRC, although I think she's a little bit older than 23

#41 Posted by Pokeysteve (7912 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: Exactly what I was thinking. I don't remember them referencing that though.

#42 Posted by ComicStooge (11825 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's with one hand tied behind his back. The guy more or less invented fencing. And he's never been pathetic at fighting. He lost a lot of fights in recent years, primarily as a result of either not being in his own body or being in a body that was falling apart piece by piece. Losing to Nightwing was simple PIS. The time he stomped Tim Drake and the time he murdered Batman with a shovel should suffice as far as this thread goes.

Are you referring to the instance in Birth of the Demon were Bruce had recently fallen into toxic waste? Bruce had the advantage until he was distracted, allowing Ra's the opportunity to knock him over and stab him with the shovel.

I agree Ra's would win, but that mightn't be the best example.

#43 Posted by oceanmaster21 (7642 posts) - - Show Bio

wonder woman wins

#44 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (4517 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe Ra's.

#45 Posted by TDK_1997 (14435 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's would go through Diana pretty easily.

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#46 Posted by RogueShadow (9803 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's. Maybe. Not too sure.

#47 Posted by Outside_85 (8016 posts) - - Show Bio

Diana, Ra's as far as I know is only considered a capable swordsman, not gifted.