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#1 Posted by IZZR (4289 posts) - - Show Bio
                                                                                                                                                                                                                               VS
 
Round 1: Morals on
Both at Full power
Round 2: Morals off/ Bloodlusted
Full power
Battle takes place on the moon
#2 Posted by wild possum (10 posts) - - Show Bio

with morals on diana could take him..........bloodlusted J'onn stomps..

#3 Posted by Bucketz (827 posts) - - Show Bio

1. Martian Manhunter 
 
2. Martian Manhunter

#5 Posted by IZZR (4289 posts) - - Show Bio
#6 Posted by Bucketz (827 posts) - - Show Bio
#7 Posted by odinforce (1505 posts) - - Show Bio
im thinkin martian wins both
#8 Posted by Switchdoctor (463 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm pretty sure that decapitation is out.  Wonder Woman's only chance is to get the lasso around him before he goes intangible.  She's done it before.  If she doesn't do that, I'm afraid she's hosed.  Especially in scenario 2.

#9 Posted by odinforce (1505 posts) - - Show Bio
@Switchdoctor: couldn't he just phase through the lasso if she got him?
#10 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7184 posts) - - Show Bio

I know MM has more powers and i think he could definetly take this but is Diana still physicaly stronger than him?
#11 Posted by odinforce (1505 posts) - - Show Bio
@Thor's hammmer: i dont think so. isnt martian supposed to have equal strength to superman (or fairly around that)? and superman strength > wonder woman strength
#12 Posted by mark5 (1213 posts) - - Show Bio
@Bucketz said:
1. Martian Manhunter  2. Martian Manhunter
#13 Posted by TheCerealKillz (10266 posts) - - Show Bio

Search function wins.

#14 Posted by Switchdoctor (463 posts) - - Show Bio
@odinforce said:
@Switchdoctor: couldn't he just phase through the lasso if she got him?
Not if the lasso is around him.  If she manages that, then she can compel him to remain in his natural form.
#15 Posted by odinforce (1505 posts) - - Show Bio
@Switchdoctor: oh ok cool
#16 Posted by theicon (1797 posts) - - Show Bio

manhunter wins

#17 Posted by departed402 (549 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheCerealKillz
No, it lost lol
#18 Edited by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Switchdoctor said:

@odinforce said:

@Switchdoctor: couldn't he just phase through the lasso if she got him?
Not if the lasso is around him.  If she manages that, then she can compel him to remain in his natural form.
Which, despite what a League of One would have you believe (a series that may or may not even be canon by the way), he retains his powers whether he reverts to his natural form or not. Half of his life on Mars was spent in his natural form, but his powers still operated. In his 1988 miniseries, H'ronmeer forced him into his natural state, and he still retained his powers. A possibly non-canon series that depicts the opposite of established facts, those facts being that his powers are active regardless of his physical form, does not overrule several other showings. 
 
You need to do better than that.  
 
Edit: How would it even make sense for him to lose his powers in his natural form to begin with? If his powers are shut off in his natural form, then he would never be able to shape shift again...
#19 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio

Uh oh.... 

#20 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio
#21 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7184 posts) - - Show Bio
@odinforce said:


                    @Thor's hammmer: i dont think so. isnt martian supposed to have equal strength to superman (or fairly around that)? and superman strength > wonder woman strength

                   

               

I've heard the same but from what i've seen from both of them when compaared directly and indirectly she seems stronger.
#22 Posted by Switchdoctor (463 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
@Switchdoctor said:

@odinforce said:

@Switchdoctor: couldn't he just phase through the lasso if she got him?
Not if the lasso is around him.  If she manages that, then she can compel him to remain in his natural form.
Which, despite what a League of One would have you believe (a series that may or may not even be canon by the way), he retains his powers whether he reverts to his natural form or not.
 
I never said that the lasso removed J'onn's powers, and neither did the comic.  The lasso compelled him not to use them.
 

Half of his life on Mars was spent in his natural form, but his powers still operated. 


 
 Yes, but he didn't spend half his life with a magic lasso around him.
 

In his 1988 miniseries, H'ronmeer forced him into his natural state, and he still retained his powers.


 
H'ronmeer =/= Magic Lasso
 

 A possibly non-canon series that depicts the opposite of established facts, those facts being that his powers are active regardless of his physical form, does not overrule several other showings.  


 
 Uh, how is this non-canon?
#23 Edited by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Switchdoctor said: 

I never said that the lasso removed J'onn's powers, and neither did the comic.  The lasso compelled him not to use them.

That certainly seemed to be the implication. On the page after the one you posted, it says that she forced him into his natural form to buy time wherein he would be incapable of offering resistance. Her exact words were, "Show me your true form," not, "Stop using your powers." If his form had nothing to do with his powers, then what was the point of changing him? 
 

H'ronmeer =/= Magic Lasso  

H'ronmeer burning him > Magic lasso.  
 

  Uh, how is this non-canon?

I said it was possibly non-canon, and to answer your question, the same way Scary Monsters is only ambiguously canon. They have never been referenced in other material, and I have heard of them being cited as non-canon series. Furthermore, in other titles, characters have said that they have never seen the Manhunter in his true form before while in this series that happened.  
 
I also have to question why this series would be used as an argument in the first place. This is the same series where Diana's strategy for beating Flash was to just to make him trip, when he has run on harsher terrains than a forest without blundering, not to mention that he has ran through forests without that happening before anyway. Characters lost about 100 IQ points for A League of One. It was fine as a story, but power-wise, it was pathetic. 
#24 Posted by Blacklightning13 (916 posts) - - Show Bio

This is kind of silly with the lasso thing he would just dodge it or maybe shoot it with his martian vision. MM would take this it would be hard but he would. He would just poor on the vision until she gets close then put 1 of his hands into a liquid and then put it down her throat as he punches her in the head (not the tiara).

#25 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Blacklightning13 said:
This is kind of silly with the lasso thing he would just dodge it or maybe shoot it with his martian vision. 
Well, dodging it was not really the problem. He was unaware Wonder Woman intended to attack him; so that is more understandable. What lacks sense is his impotence while wrapped in it. Besides, there are examples like this that contradict it. 
 
#26 Posted by Purplekushsmoker (21 posts) - - Show Bio

Morals or no morals Martian Manhunter wins!

#27 Posted by Switchdoctor (463 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
@Switchdoctor said: 

I never said that the lasso removed J'onn's powers, and neither did the comic.  The lasso compelled him not to use them.

That certainly seemed to be the implication. On the page after the one you posted, it says that she forced him into his natural form to buy time wherein he would be incapable of offering resistance. Her exact words were, "Show me your true form," not, "Stop using your powers." If his form had nothing to do with his powers, then what was the point of changing him? 
 

H'ronmeer =/= Magic Lasso  

H'ronmeer burning him > Magic lasso.  
 

  Uh, how is this non-canon?

I said it was possibly non-canon, and to answer your question, the same way Scary Monsters is only ambiguously canon. They have never been referenced in other material, and I have heard of them being cited as non-canon series. Furthermore, in other titles, characters have said that they have never seen the Manhunter in his true form before while in this series that happened.   I also have to question why this series would be used as an argument in the first place. This is the same series where Diana's strategy for beating Flash was to just to make him trip, when he has run on harsher terrains than a forest without blundering, not to mention that he has ran through forests without that happening before anyway. Characters lost about 100 IQ points for A League of One. It was fine as a story, but power-wise, it was pathetic. 
 
Answer me this Silver.  When J'onn is in his true form, is he phased or is he solid?
#28 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Switchdoctor said:                                           
 Answer me this Silver.  When J'onn is in his true form, is he phased or is he solid?
He can switch between them. 
#29 Posted by Switchdoctor (463 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
@Switchdoctor said:                                           
 Answer me this Silver.  When J'onn is in his true form, is he phased or is he solid?
He can switch between them. 
I didn't ask if he could switch between solid or phased, I asked what his true form was. 
#30 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Switchdoctor said:
@Silver2467 said:
@Switchdoctor said:                                           
 Answer me this Silver.  When J'onn is in his true form, is he phased or is he solid?
He can switch between them. 
I didn't ask if he could switch between solid or phased, I asked what his true form was. 
If you mean whether he would more commonly be tangible or intangible while in this form, probably tangible, but that holds for anything. He could turn into a mouse and render himself intangible and then tangible again. His natural form has nothing to do with tangibility, and to be honest, neither does any other shape he chooses to act in. 
 
What does this have to do with the discussion?
#31 Posted by Switchdoctor (463 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
@Switchdoctor said:
@Silver2467 said:
@Switchdoctor said:                                           
 Answer me this Silver.  When J'onn is in his true form, is he phased or is he solid?
He can switch between them. 
I didn't ask if he could switch between solid or phased, I asked what his true form was. 
If you mean whether he would more commonly be tangible or intangible while in this form, probably tangible, but that holds for anything. He could turn into a mouse and render himself intangible and then tangible again. His natural form has nothing to do with tangibility, and to be honest, neither does any other shape he chooses to act in.  What does this have to do with the discussion?
I think you know exaclty what this has to do with this discussion, because you keep trying to skirt around the issue with a lot of verbose tangents.  J'onn in his natural form is tangible, therefore susceptible to being snagged by the lasso.   
#32 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Switchdoctor said:
@Silver2467 said:
@Switchdoctor said:
@Silver2467 said:
@Switchdoctor said:                                           
 Answer me this Silver.  When J'onn is in his true form, is he phased or is he solid?
He can switch between them. 
I didn't ask if he could switch between solid or phased, I asked what his true form was. 
If you mean whether he would more commonly be tangible or intangible while in this form, probably tangible, but that holds for anything. He could turn into a mouse and render himself intangible and then tangible again. His natural form has nothing to do with tangibility, and to be honest, neither does any other shape he chooses to act in.  What does this have to do with the discussion?
I think you know exaclty what this has to do with this discussion, because you keep trying to skirt around the issue with a lot of verbose tangents.  J'onn in his natural form is tangible, therefore susceptible to being snagged by the lasso.   
Just for the sake of humoring your strawman argument, obviously he would be wrapped in the lasso considering he was already tangible when she tried that. This does not detract from the fact that he could just turn intangible on the fly regardless of what form he was in. 
 
This is accomplishing nothing. The canonicity of the comic is debatable, the showing is circumstantial to him being unaware that she wanted to attack him, and even if she could revert him to his normal form, he could still just turn intangible or melt out of the lasso. 
#33 Posted by Switchdoctor (463 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
@Switchdoctor said:
@Silver2467 said:
@Switchdoctor said:
@Silver2467 said:
@Switchdoctor said:                                           
 Answer me this Silver.  When J'onn is in his true form, is he phased or is he solid?
He can switch between them. 
I didn't ask if he could switch between solid or phased, I asked what his true form was. 
If you mean whether he would more commonly be tangible or intangible while in this form, probably tangible, but that holds for anything. He could turn into a mouse and render himself intangible and then tangible again. His natural form has nothing to do with tangibility, and to be honest, neither does any other shape he chooses to act in.  What does this have to do with the discussion?
I think you know exaclty what this has to do with this discussion, because you keep trying to skirt around the issue with a lot of verbose tangents.  J'onn in his natural form is tangible, therefore susceptible to being snagged by the lasso.   
Just for the sake of humoring your strawman argument, obviously he would be wrapped in the lasso considering he was already tangible when she tried that. This does not detract from the fact that he could just turn intangible on the fly regardless of what form he was in.
? On the contrary.  He would not be able to go intangible at all because the lasso is compelling him to show Wonder Woman his true form.  His true form is tangible.  J'onn would be SOL.
#34 Edited by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Switchdoctor said:

@Silver2467 said:

@Switchdoctor said:

@Silver2467 said:

@Switchdoctor said:
@Silver2467 said:
@Switchdoctor said:                                           
 Answer me this Silver.  When J'onn is in his true form, is he phased or is he solid?
He can switch between them. 
I didn't ask if he could switch between solid or phased, I asked what his true form was. 
If you mean whether he would more commonly be tangible or intangible while in this form, probably tangible, but that holds for anything. He could turn into a mouse and render himself intangible and then tangible again. His natural form has nothing to do with tangibility, and to be honest, neither does any other shape he chooses to act in.  What does this have to do with the discussion?
I think you know exaclty what this has to do with this discussion, because you keep trying to skirt around the issue with a lot of verbose tangents.  J'onn in his natural form is tangible, therefore susceptible to being snagged by the lasso.   
Just for the sake of humoring your strawman argument, obviously he would be wrapped in the lasso considering he was already tangible when she tried that. This does not detract from the fact that he could just turn intangible on the fly regardless of what form he was in.
? On the contrary.  He would not be able to go intangible at all because the lasso is compelling him to show Wonder Woman his true form.  His true form is tangible.  J'onn would be SOL.
I would love to see how you intend to substantiate this. When has Martian shape changing been reliant or in any way related to intangibility? Because he has turned intangible while in his true form. And if he is forced by the lasso to show her his true form, what does that have to do with tangibility anyway? Would that not be more respective of invisibility? LOL.
 
Let's examine what the comic actually said. It lists the Martian's powers of shape shifting and telepathy as notable threats to Diana. It never references intangibility, invisibility, heat vision, or any other capabilities. She somehow meant to deprive him of utilization of those two powers, according to the narration, by compelling him to shift into his natural physical form. No mention of intangibility anywhere in this sequence. So your idea that he has no intangibility because he has to demonstrate his true shape is a false premise on your part to try to affirm your desired consequent, not to mention the fact that she said, "Show me your true form," implicating visibility not tangibility, and tangibility has nothing to do with visibility anyway. Martian forms have never been defined as tangible or intangible and made obsolete or altered if intangibility is used, thus making your entire point complete nonsense from the start. On to the next page, it says that Diana has only a few seconds to BFR him using the Watchtower teleporters. Ascertaining a few seconds without his usage of shape shifting and telepathy is hardly proof that she could beat him. It just means she could have a few seconds to throw as powerful a barrage as she can to hopefully incapacitate him before he recovers. This is improbable considering that he was caught off guard by his own trust for her whereas he would be prepared for a fight in this thread and because the canonicity of A League of One is suspect. In a real fight, he could evade the toss of her lasso or just turn intangible to allow it to pass through him. He could also render himself invisible to make sure she could never land it on him in the first place. As for his ability to beat her, he could grow extra limbs to fight her straightforwardly; phase his hand into her head and pull out her brain (he could do this if he was bloodlusted); combine usage of strength, speed, and heat vision to KO her; or just use telepathy.

You are grasping at straws. 
#35 Posted by Devias (297 posts) - - Show Bio

Why is nobody talking about telepathy?

#36 Posted by a88378438 (3421 posts) - - Show Bio

i think wonder woman should be wins

#37 Posted by Final Arrow (24359 posts) - - Show Bio