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#1 Posted by BigCimmerian (8018 posts) - - Show Bio

- Pre flashpoint Wonder Woman and current Beta Ray Bill

- For this fight Beta Ray Bill has kryptonian speed and reflexes, morals off

- Who wins and why?

#2 Posted by BigCimmerian (8018 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

#3 Posted by The_Thunderer (2894 posts) - - Show Bio

Bill with speed i think

#4 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

I for one dont even thing he needs Kryptonian Speed to win since he has feats of seeing and regerstering FTL attacks and Objects and Flies from side of the Galaxy to the Other in days shows he fast. 
 
With the Kryptonian Update BRB wins handily.
#5 Posted by ChaosMarvel (997 posts) - - Show Bio

With the Kryp upgrade Bill should win

#6 Posted by 202122 (1145 posts) - - Show Bio

It's Wonder Woman Vs a little bit less powerful Thor but then your giving him kryptonian level speed and now it's Wonder Woman Vs a little more powerful Thor. BRB wins in a tight match

#7 Posted by TheCannon (18276 posts) - - Show Bio

WW.

#8 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

He wins without it...think of Thor, but with no morals.

#9 Posted by Almighty_Darkseid (1724 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCannon said:

WW.

#10 Posted by TAneT62 (1060 posts) - - Show Bio

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

@TheCannon said:

WW.

#11 Posted by BigCimmerian (8018 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

He wins without it...think of Thor, but with no morals.

I know, I just wanted to see what DC fanboys would say

#12 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian said:

@jeanroygrant said:

He wins without it...think of Thor, but with no morals.

I know, I just wanted to see what DC fanboys would say

Alright.

@TAneT62 said:

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

@TheCannon said:

WW.

Let's debate on this ^_^

#13 Posted by TheCannon (18276 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@TAneT62 said:

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

@TheCannon said:

WW.

Let's debate on this ^_^

Why?

#14 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
@jeanroygrant said:



                   

He wins without it...think of Thor, but with no morals.



                   

               

Exactly.
#15 Posted by BigCimmerian (8018 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCannon said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@TAneT62 said:

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

@TheCannon said:

WW.

Let's debate on this ^_^

Why?

What advantage WW has over Beta Ray Bill in this battle?

#16 Edited by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCannon said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@TAneT62 said:

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

@TheCannon said:

WW.

Let's debate on this ^_^

Why?

You people said Wonder Woman wins, and i said Beta Ray Bill wins without the upgrade, so i thought it should be debated.

#17 Posted by TheCannon (18276 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@TheCannon said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@TAneT62 said:

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

@TheCannon said:

WW.

Let's debate on this ^_^

Why?

You people said Wonder Woman wins, and i said Beta Ray Bill wins without the upgrade, so i thought it should be debated.

Okay.

#18 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian said:

@TheCannon said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@TAneT62 said:

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

@TheCannon said:

WW.

Let's debate on this ^_^

Why?

What advantage WW has over Beta Ray Bill in this battle?

The only advantages she has is fighting styles, and reflexes.

#19 Posted by BigCimmerian (8018 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@TheCannon said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@TAneT62 said:

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

@TheCannon said:

WW.

Let's debate on this ^_^

Why?

What advantage WW has over Beta Ray Bill in this battle?

The only advantages she has is fighting styles, and reflexes.

I thought that Kryptonians have faster reflexes than Diana

#20 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCannon said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@TheCannon said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@TAneT62 said:

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

@TheCannon said:

WW.

Let's debate on this ^_^

Why?

You people said Wonder Woman wins, and i said Beta Ray Bill wins without the upgrade, so i thought it should be debated.

Okay.

Strength-Beta Ray Bill has busted entire planets ( Tell me when Wonder Woman does that ), defeated Thor's villian Fanrir easily with lightning amped strikes ( Thor has trouble with him ), and has helped the Avengers ( Vision, Thor, Hercules, She-Hulk collaspe a dimesional gateway.

He also help Thor hold up Asgard.

#21 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian said:

@jeanroygrant said:

He wins without it...think of Thor, but with no morals.

I know, I just wanted to see what DC fanboys would say

Cool story, bro.

Flagged for spite.

#22 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@TheCannon said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@TAneT62 said:

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

@TheCannon said:

WW.

Let's debate on this ^_^

Why?

What advantage WW has over Beta Ray Bill in this battle?

The only advantages she has is fighting styles, and reflexes.

I thought that Kryptonians have faster reflexes than Diana

It was stated Superman was faster than Wonder Woman, but Wonder Woman has faster reflexes.

#23 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@jeanroygrant said:

He wins without it...think of Thor, but with no morals.

I know, I just wanted to see what DC fanboys would say

Cool story, bro.

Flagged for spite.

It's not spite. Spite would be like Wonder Woman VS Odin.

#24 Posted by TAneT62 (1060 posts) - - Show Bio

Well since he has kryptonian speed and reflexes, which he doesn't need, it's going to make the fight harder. Diana has a faster reaction time than Superman due to her training. that is probably her mian advantage in this fight, her fighting skills, her speed also.

I just don't see how fair it is giving Beta kryptonian speed.

#25 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant: It is the definition of spite. To quote him:

I know, I just wanted to see what DC fanboys would say

#26 Posted by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant: @BigCimmerian said:

What advantage WW has over Beta Ray Bill in this battle?

With the speed upgrade, nothing.

BRB wins quite easily.

Stormbreaker>Lasso of Truth

#27 Posted by Hemlin (377 posts) - - Show Bio

I give this one to Bill

#28 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

@jeanroygrant: @BigCimmerian said:

What advantage WW has over Beta Ray Bill in this battle?

With the speed upgrade, nothing.

BRB wins quite easily.

Stormbreaker>Lasso of Truth

She is a better fighter, and better reflexes.

#29 Posted by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

She is a better fighter, and better reflexes.

Not going to help against someone who outlcasses her in just about every other area.

BRB has busted planets, tanked city destroying(and greater) blasts, fought beings like Stardust,etc.

WW is going to put a good fight, but she loses in the end.

#30 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
@TAneT62
I seen WW vs BRB a few time and everyone says she Speed Blitz him for the win then the whole Debate is BRB fans trying to pull Scans and Pics of BRBs Speed (which is FTL) vs Dianas... or Supergirl... or Superman... or whoever on DC side that can Speed Blitz....  
 
So he cut that crap out of endless debating of WW fanboys screaming SPEED BLITZ FOR THE WIN and BRB Fans screaming HE CAN COUNTER, DUHHH. 
 
So Diana proves to be the weak one for once.
#31 Posted by ALdragon17 (126 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry, dudes, the chicks wins. WWH piece him up, because he had some smarts (in the movie). Anyways, he may have some fighting ability, but WW has the killer instinct to win. Never ever underestimate a woman, they would do anything to win. Before we get argument, WW doesn't have the strength ability as WWH, but WWH fighting ability is severely limited compare to WW.

#32 Edited by lantian1 (161 posts) - - Show Bio

How does everyone think Beta Ray Bill will do against the lightning of ZEUS?

Her bracers have the ability to unleash it.

Beta's lightning based attack would fail to get past the bracers

#33 Posted by TAneT62 (1060 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 said:

@TAneT62: I seen WW vs BRB a few time and everyone says she Speed Blitz him for the win then the whole Debate is BRB fans trying to pull Scans and Pics of BRBs Speed (which is FTL) vs Dianas... or Supergirl... or Superman... or whoever on DC side that can Speed Blitz.... So he cut that crap out of endless debating of WW fanboys screaming SPEED BLITZ FOR THE WIN and BRB Fans screaming HE CAN COUNTER, DUHHH. So Diana proves to be the weak one for once.

The do not prove to weak, they prove to be every effective in alot of instances. Her fighting abilities is far above BRB, her speed can surpas his aswell, she has a faster eaction time than Superman, her strength is just below Supermans, this is more than enough to take him down.

#34 Posted by TAneT62 (1060 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@TheCannon said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@TheCannon said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@TAneT62 said:

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

@TheCannon said:

WW.

Let's debate on this ^_^

Why?

You people said Wonder Woman wins, and i said Beta Ray Bill wins without the upgrade, so i thought it should be debated.

Okay.

Strength-Beta Ray Bill has busted entire planets ( Tell me when Wonder Woman does that ), defeated Thor's villian Fanrir easily with lightning amped strikes ( Thor has trouble with him ), and has helped the Avengers ( Vision, Thor, Hercules, She-Hulk collaspe a dimesional gateway.

He also help Thor hold up Asgard.

She has pulled the sun, way larger than a planet.

#35 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
            @TAneT62 said:


                   

@CadenceV2 said:

@TAneT62: I seen WW vs BRB a few time and everyone says she Speed Blitz him for the win then the whole Debate is BRB fans trying to pull Scans and Pics of BRBs Speed (which is FTL) vs Dianas... or Supergirl... or Superman... or whoever on DC side that can Speed Blitz.... So he cut that crap out of endless debating of WW fanboys screaming SPEED BLITZ FOR THE WIN and BRB Fans screaming HE CAN COUNTER, DUHHH. So Diana proves to be the weak one for once.

The do not prove to weak, they prove to be every effective in alot of instances. Her fighting abilities is far above BRB, her speed can surpas his aswell, she has a faster eaction time than Superman, her strength is just below Supermans, this is more than enough to take him down.



                   

               


LOL, and you prove my point. WW cant lose to a guy who outclasses Heralds, Ego the Living Planet, wounded Galactus, Survived Blackholes, Exploding Stars, and reacts to FTL, Beaten Thor twice.....  
 
I realize it doesnt matter that BRB is better without Kryptonian speed and Reflexes (not that he needs them cause he already is FTL in speed and reflexes) but even if he wasnt WW goes down hard. Sry. 
 
WW is a great warrior... so what so is BRB and he beaten Thor with no Hammer. 
 WW has Muscle Memory.... LOL 
 


Wow he survives not one but 2 Blackholes trying to rip him apart. Doubt WW can survive one.  
 



I doubt WW on her BEST day can crack Galactus Armour. 
 


BRB doesnt need Kryptonian Crap..... 
 













BRB Prove to be too much for Stardust a Herald of Galactus who is not only Stronger but Faster than WW ever could be. 
 





I guess WW is better than SS now? LOL 
 
 




BRB beats the guy who give Galactus trouble. EGO the Living Planet! WW never even shown Planet shattering.... ever... 
 




This is the best one yet... why? Cause BRB uncoupled shows he has more POWER, SPEED, and DURABILTY than SS and Stardust COMBINED!!! 
 
Wow simply wow. BRB is a F***ing beast and a half. He is leagues ahead of WW.  
 
Buuuut Im sure you'll say these feats mean nothing and WW wins cause of "Muscle Memory" LOL. 
#36 Edited by Uno_Oscuro (743 posts) - - Show Bio

@202122 said:

It's Wonder Woman Vs a little bit less powerful Thor but then your giving him kryptonian level speed and now it's Wonder Woman Vs a little more powerful Thor. BRB wins in a tight match

BRB is not a less powerful Thor, in fact even without the powers from Stormbreaker, BRB proved he was quite the capable opponent.

As for the fight, I'm taking BRB.

#37 Posted by DTFB (191 posts) - - Show Bio

BRB

#38 Edited by Uno_Oscuro (743 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: No need for spamming the scans dude.

EDIT: And while BRB wins this, he is NOT faster or stronger than SS, SS would mop the floor with BRB.

#39 Posted by TAneT62 (1060 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 said:

@TAneT62 said:

@CadenceV2 said:

@TAneT62: I seen WW vs BRB a few time and everyone says she Speed Blitz him for the win then the whole Debate is BRB fans trying to pull Scans and Pics of BRBs Speed (which is FTL) vs Dianas... or Supergirl... or Superman... or whoever on DC side that can Speed Blitz.... So he cut that crap out of endless debating of WW fanboys screaming SPEED BLITZ FOR THE WIN and BRB Fans screaming HE CAN COUNTER, DUHHH. So Diana proves to be the weak one for once.

The do not prove to weak, they prove to be every effective in alot of instances. Her fighting abilities is far above BRB, her speed can surpas his aswell, she has a faster eaction time than Superman, her strength is just below Supermans, this is more than enough to take him down.



LOL, and you prove my point. WW cant lose to a guy who outclasses Heralds, Ego the Living Planet, wounded Galactus, Survived Blackholes, Exploding Stars, and reacts to FTL, Beaten Thor twice.....

I realize it doesnt matter that BRB is better without Kryptonian speed and Reflexes (not that he needs them cause he already is FTL in speed and reflexes) but even if he wasnt WW goes down hard. Sry.

WW is a great warrior... so what so is BRB and he beaten Thor with no Hammer.
WW has Muscle Memory.... LOL



Wow he survives not one but 2 Blackholes trying to rip him apart. Doubt WW can survive one.




I doubt WW on her BEST day can crack Galactus Armour.



BRB doesnt need Kryptonian Crap.....














BRB Prove to be too much for Stardust a Herald of Galactus who is not only Stronger but Faster than WW ever could be.






I guess WW is better than SS now? LOL






BRB beats the guy who give Galactus trouble. EGO the Living Planet! WW never even shown Planet shattering.... ever...




This is the best one yet... why? Cause BRB uncoupled shows he has more POWER, SPEED, and DURABILTY than SS and Stardust COMBINED!!! Wow simply wow. BRB is a F***ing beast and a half. He is leagues ahead of WW. Buuuut Im sure you'll say these feats mean nothing and WW wins cause of "Muscle Memory" LOL.

He is a beast, yes, but all i'm trying to say is WW has a chance at winning, good for you for proving your point.

#40 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
@Uno_Oscuro said:


                   

@CadenceV2: No need for spamming the scans dude.

EDIT: And while BRB wins this, he is NOT faster or stronger than SS, SS would mop the floor with BRB.



                   

               

Actually yes there is. This site and more importantly this Forum is dedicated to Scans and PROOF of feats or anyone can speel whatever lying crap they want. Get use it. Or find counter scans.
#41 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
@TAneT62
LOL sry again if I come a$$holish... I been drinking a bit and its past my bedytime.... thnx. I agree she has a chance. Most DC characters do. hate to admit that....
#42 Posted by greenteaforme (1826 posts) - - Show Bio

Amping characters with buffs they've never had before means that you're making up an entirely new character.

BRB will never beat Wonder Woman.

BRB with all of his own and Superman's powers will, of course, beat Wonder Woman.

This thread is stupid.

#43 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
@greenteaforme said:


                   

Amping characters with buffs they've never had before means that you're making up an entirely new character.

BRB will never beat Wonder Woman.

BRB with all of his own and Superman's powers will, of course, beat Wonder Woman.

This thread is stupid.



                   

               

LOL whatever ignor the proof he doesnt need the powers boost and can evenly match WW for as he is. LOL
#44 Posted by greenteaforme (1826 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 said:

@greenteaforme said:

Amping characters with buffs they've never had before means that you're making up an entirely new character.

BRB will never beat Wonder Woman.

BRB with all of his own and Superman's powers will, of course, beat Wonder Woman.

This thread is stupid.

LOL whatever ignor the proof he doesnt need the powers boost and can evenly match WW for as he is. LOL

I don't even know what you're talking about. I only read the first post of this thread, then replied with how stupid it is.

It's even worse than that gauntlet with Thor and Storm with all of Thor's powers.

#45 Posted by Saren (25577 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 said:

@Uno_Oscuro said:

@CadenceV2: No need for spamming the scans dude.

EDIT: And while BRB wins this, he is NOT faster or stronger than SS, SS would mop the floor with BRB.

Actually yes there is. This site and more importantly this Forum is dedicated to Scans and PROOF of feats or anyone can speel whatever lying crap they want. Get use it. Or find counter scans.

No, it's not. And at the very least you could post the scans in minimized form instead of stacking them. It's a pain for anyone who opens the page.

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#46 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
@CitizenBane
Huh.... dont know rightly how to do that. And I know you yourself posted Scans large wise. I myself hate Minimize Scans since they are a Pain in the Anus to open up individually. Whatever. I posted my debates with proof.
#47 Posted by Uno_Oscuro (743 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 said:

@CitizenBane: Huh.... dont know rightly how to do that. And I know you yourself posted Scans large wise. I myself hate Minimize Scans since they are a Pain in the Anus to open up individually. Whatever. I posted my debates with proof.

Posting scans in a large format isn't the problem, its posting scans in large format, and then proceeding to post a hundred of them, scan spamming isn't allowed. And just to let you know, not a single scan you provided puts him over SS, so how do I have to come up with scans to counter you when you didn't post any relevant to your point anyway.

#48 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
@Uno_Oscuro
... huh.... so I post 5 post to prove a point? Is that the rules....... thats dumb. Next Time I will post several post to prove WW dont auto win on BRB. LOL
#49 Edited by Saren (25577 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 said:

@CitizenBane: Huh.... dont know rightly how to do that. And I know you yourself posted Scans large wise. I myself hate Minimize Scans since they are a Pain in the Anus to open up individually. Whatever. I posted my debates with proof.

I post scans large when they are single pages from separate issues since grouping several such unrelated incidents makes no sense. That is not the case here. You have several pages from the same comic, therefore they can be minimized in one group. How do you not know how to do that? CV gives you the option when you're posting them. It's not brain surgery.

You posted in your debates with proof, and yet (just like those Strange scans you posted, remember those?) half of them have no context. Bill does not have FTL reflexes, observing things does not make you as fast as those things or I would be as fast as lightning. Surfer also easily stomped Bill so I have no idea why you're posting those scans. You say Wonder Woman cannot survive a black hole? She already has. Stardust is not as fast or as strong as Wonder Woman unless you want to oversell the "Herald of Galactus" credentials. So which respect thread are you getting this stuff from?

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#50 Posted by Uno_Oscuro (743 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 said:

@Uno_Oscuro: ... huh.... so I post 5 post to prove a point? Is that the rules....... thats dumb. Next Time I will post several post to prove WW dont auto win on BRB. LOL

What? All you need is to post the scans to prove your point, so for example. Maybe you post a quick scan of why BRB is more powerful, or something along those lines. Then when someone tries to counter that scan, you simply post other scans proving his strength, or if someone goes "Well he may be stronger, but WW is too fast" then you post a scan showing why you think BRB is faster. So on and so forth. Just post a handiful of scans to prove your point, then post more if asked or if needed to continue proving your point against people who may be in doubt. As CitizenBane stated, dropping all those scans in large format, makes it a pain for everyone scrolling through the thread, so either tone down the number of scans or post them in a smaller format, which I do not know how to do so you'd have to ask someone else.