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#1 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio

VS

*standard equipment

*no prep

*takes place on a lifeless planet (with a yellow sun and Earthlike atmosphere)

#2 Posted by charlieboy (7153 posts) - - Show Bio

Leaning towards the ladies. The have the speed and a telepath.

#3 Posted by New_World_Order (12488 posts) - - Show Bio

Hercules causes the boys too lose.

#4 Posted by robertloucksjr (1670 posts) - - Show Bio

Girls. Have the superspeed the boys lack.

#5 Posted by Nelomaxwell (10365 posts) - - Show Bio

Ladies Wonder Woman is a great strategist and Power girl is well Power girl. Maxima is damn strong too so I'm thinking they take it.

#6 Posted by 18hunt (2891 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't blame this on Hercules Thor is jealous of the prince of powers power! I am thinking and out making a Hercules based account.

#7 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio

so, does anyone seeing the Marvel Gods winning?

#8 Edited by Wolfrazer (6030 posts) - - Show Bio

I am curious as to why people keep putting Herc against those, with super speed and a number of other powers. His only power is Super Strength...I mean Super reflexes/durability/stamina are powers too, but I mean offensive wise its just strength he has. That is his thing.

#9 Posted by momo111191 (245 posts) - - Show Bio

girls. I fell as some point it will be a 2v1 with Thor being the last man standing and which ever 2 girls he didnt finish.

#10 Posted by dondave (34336 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1

#11 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolfrazer: he's able to fight against people like Thor using only his strength and skill

#12 Posted by Wolfrazer (6030 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolfrazer: he's able to fight against people like Thor using only his strength and skill

Yes I realize that, however this isn't comics. This is a battle, where the rules of comics don't apply...well you know what I mean, in the sense that the author isn't controlling what happens in the battle.

#13 Edited by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolfrazer: he can usually use his club to block long-range attaks

other than that,people would have to get close

and he's pretty good at countering speed(based off his skirmishes with Quicksilver in his early Avengers appearances)

#14 Edited by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

I am curious as to why people keep putting Herc against those, with super speed and a number of other powers. His only power is Super Strength...I mean Super reflexes/durability/stamina are powers too, but I mean offensive wise its just strength he has. That is his thing.

Herc isn't too slow himself:

Sorry for the poor quality, I can grab a better one if you'd like.

Since he was more or less launching a barrage of punches on the Hulk's face that took a bit for the Hulk to respond to.

I have no idea who Lier is, nor do I want to know.

#15 Edited by Wolfrazer (6030 posts) - - Show Bio

@isaac_clarke said:

@wolfrazer said:

I am curious as to why people keep putting Herc against those, with super speed and a number of other powers. His only power is Super Strength...I mean Super reflexes/durability/stamina are powers too, but I mean offensive wise its just strength he has. That is his thing.

Herc isn't too slow himself:

Sorry for the poor quality, I can grab a better one if you'd like.

Since he was more or less launching a barrage of punches on the Hulk's face that took a bit for the Hulk to respond to.

I have no idea who Lier is, nor do I want to know.

Hm...ok that does show nice, but I mean his main thing is strength. Now he isn't slow, but how is he gonna handle speedblitz? I really hate that argument...but eh. Quicksilver, while nice is I don't think as fast as WW or PG.

@betatesthighlander1: Oh right...forgot they had equipment. XD Well then...I guess it helps him out better.

#16 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio
#17 Posted by Dernman (14724 posts) - - Show Bio

No idea of Lier is but I'll go with the Woman

#18 Edited by dum529001 (1624 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolfrazer:

What in the world do they teach you kids in school nowadays?

Superhumans and speed

A. Muscle power is all about the speed of muscle contraction. Muscles put out power by stretching and then rapidly shortening like rubber bands.

Force directly correlates to an object's rate of motion/speed.

When you throw a punch or a kick, the power of the strike directly correlates to its rate of motion/speed.

Hulk has great power and his body weight is little in comparison to that power, therefore, he has great speed.

Great power = Great speed

Gamma rays travel at he speed of light. Hulk is a gamma-charged monster. He's extremely fast. Faster than he looks. The same goes for the other powerhouses.

B. As for flight speed.....

No one can travel at lights-peed by running. It can only be done by flying because the ground isn't strong enough.

If you tried going at light-speed on the ground instead of hovering above it, you just find yourself plowing through the ground and stirring up a bunch of dirt instead of going anywhere.

People can go at light-speed but its rarely done on earth(because the real life effects would be disastrous) and even then, it's only because they can fly.

Flyers can go light-speed because they are able to maintain their momentum without pushing off the ground.

When it comes to running, once you reach a certain speed the ground has a harder time supporting you. That's why Hulk usually jumps to travel

#19 Edited by Wolfrazer (6030 posts) - - Show Bio

@dum529001: I never said he didn't have super speed, all I stated was his main thing is strength. He has speed, but I know for certain some are gonna come in and say that PG and WW's speed are greater then any of the others and all that noise.

#20 Posted by dum529001 (1624 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolfrazer:

Why are you seperating Strength and speed? They directly correlate to one another.

#21 Posted by Wolfrazer (6030 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolfrazer:

Why are you seperating Strength and speed? They directly correlate to one another.

I was separating the two, because he doesn't have super speed in the sense of Flash and the like. I probably should have clarified, I know Herc does have superhuman speed but what I mean is, he doesn't have that speed.

#22 Posted by Owie (3616 posts) - - Show Bio

Ladies. Wonder Woman beats Herc. Thor and Power Girl are fairly evenly matched, with an edge to Thor. Maxima is, from what I can tell, more powerful than Leir; TP and TK are always formidable powers, and add force fields, hypnosis, illusions, etc. on top of that and she probably dominates him. Maxima and WW then help out PG to beat Thor.

#23 Edited by dum529001 (1624 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolfrazer:

The Flash is is just a nonsenscal deus ex machina/PIS machine that no one can have a logical conversation about.

Even so, we are not talking about the Flash. We are taking about Wonder Woman and Powergirl.

Nobody is on Flash's level. Why are people comparing Powergirl and Wonderwoman to the Flash?

Powergirl and Wonderwoman are not the Flash.

Nobody is.

End of story.

#24 Posted by oceanmaster21 (7737 posts) - - Show Bio

team 1 takes this for sure

#25 Posted by Erick_Williams (754 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 ladiess ftw

#26 Posted by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

Hm...ok that does show nice, but I mean his main thing is strength. Now he isn't slow, but how is he gonna handle speedblitz? I really hate that argument...but eh. Quicksilver, while nice is I don't think as fast as WW or PG.

@betatesthighlander1: Oh right...forgot they had equipment. XD Well then...I guess it helps him out better.

I've seen Quicksilver pull Flash-Type like speed showings out of his rear - as far as I'm concerned his modern interpretation is faster than either WW or PG (especially Power Girl - since I can't pull any worthfile feats out of my head to say she's as fast as WW - even post 52), but that doesn't have much place in this thread.

@wolfrazer:

Why are you seperating Strength and speed? They directly correlate to one another.

I don't see it, striking power - yes - physical strength - meh.

@wolfrazer: does that change anything

@isaac_clarke: who do you see winning?

Not sure. I'd like to say Mjolnir floors most of the team here without much question giving Thor the advantage of whomsoever he's fighting - if not providing aid to his fellow partners here and their with a zig zag multi-target toss into them. But there are too many factors that would require more thought on my part to tell for sure.

Plus I'd rather not go against the fandom of Power Girl and Wonderwoman, since I will be smited.

#27 Edited by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio

@isaac_clarke:

you really can't decide?

does that mean that I made a good battle?

#28 Edited by spiderbuck (2448 posts) - - Show Bio

Mjolnir is the difference maker here. Team 1 ftw.

#29 Edited by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbuck: reeally, your the only one who's gonna say that?

are you willing to tell that to everyone else?

#30 Edited by Owie (3616 posts) - - Show Bio

I've seen Quicksilver pull Flash-Type like speed showings out of his rear - as far as I'm concerned his modern interpretation is faster than either WW or PG (especially Power Girl - since I can't pull any worthfile feats out of my head to say she's as fast as WW - even post 52), but that doesn't have much place in this thread.

Power Girl did have some pretty good travel and reaction speed feats in her last solo book. In one particular situation (which I'm remembering off the top of my head so details are fuzzy), she had to do a series of specific actions all over the world within a time limit of something like 3 minutes. Basically she flew all around the world, freeing people, fighting people, etc., dealing with at least 4 or 5 different things, within just a couple minutes.

It's boring to say someone wins because they're faster, but clearly team 1 is faster.

#31 Posted by momo111191 (245 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolfrazer said:

I am curious as to why people keep putting Herc against those, with super speed and a number of other powers. His only power is Super Strength...I mean Super reflexes/durability/stamina are powers too, but I mean offensive wise its just strength he has. That is his thing.

Herc isn't too slow himself:

Sorry for the poor quality, I can grab a better one if you'd like.

Since he was more or less launching a barrage of punches on the Hulk's face that took a bit for the Hulk to respond to.

I have no idea who Lier is, nor do I want to know.

i'm like 90% sure the hulk wins this fight with ease.

#32 Edited by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

i'm like 90% sure the hulk wins this fight with ease.

Define "win" and "ease".

Either way, out of all the characters the Hulk dealt with in WWH, Hercules was regarded by Banner as the one that probably could have put a stop to it if he had actually fought him. The fights thus far they've had don't seem to contradict that statement, especially since the Hulk is largely a brawler and Hercules more or less defined by the quality of being the to go guy in terms of wrestling - in a fight I'd say the Lion of Olympus would normally beat the Hulk at hand to hand combat.

@owie said:

@isaac_clarke said:

I've seen Quicksilver pull Flash-Type like speed showings out of his rear - as far as I'm concerned his modern interpretation is faster than either WW or PG (especially Power Girl - since I can't pull any worthfile feats out of my head to say she's as fast as WW - even post 52), but that doesn't have much place in this thread.

Power Girl did have some pretty good travel and reaction speed feats in her last solo book. In one particular situation (which I'm remembering off the top of my head so details are fuzzy), she had to do a series of specific actions all over the world within a time limit of something like 3 minutes. Basically she flew all around the world, freeing people, fighting people, etc., dealing with at least 4 or 5 different things, within just a couple minutes.

It's boring to say someone wins because they're faster, but clearly team 1 is faster.

If that's accurate she's sporting better operating speed feats than I've seen out of Wonder Woman easily. If anything Power Girl might be able to solo her own team. My comment was more so directed at mentioning Quicksilver, not speed.

#33 Posted by Saren (25273 posts) - - Show Bio

Jay Garrick claimed PG was faster than him in the Lightning Saga.

Of course, in the same instance he also claimed Red Tornado was faster than him, and that makes no sense whatsoever.

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#34 Posted by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

@isaac_clarke:

you really can't decide?

does that mean that I made a good battle?

Good question, if my answer saying I don't know is any indication - it's better than most fights here. But my hesitance ties more with Leir - which would probably motivate me to say the Girls - but again I would need to put more thought into it.

#35 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (23172 posts) - - Show Bio

What version of said woman are we using?Pre 52 or new 52? if pre new 52 team one should win (then again I know nothing about this "Leir" so I can't form an opinion

#36 Edited by AlteredBeast (149 posts) - - Show Bio

Leir's sweet stache makes the girls submit.

#37 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio
#38 Posted by spiderbuck (2448 posts) - - Show Bio
#39 Posted by XLR87T3 (2259 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman vs Hercules. I wonder how that will turn out.

#40 Edited by New_World_Order (12488 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall Do you know who Leir is? What are his feats?

#41 Posted by Killemall (18252 posts) - - Show Bio
#42 Posted by New_World_Order (12488 posts) - - Show Bio
#43 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio
#44 Posted by New_World_Order (12488 posts) - - Show Bio
#45 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio
#46 Edited by WWQ7 (466 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know anything about Leir, but Maxima can solo Thor and Hercules with her powers.

#47 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

team 1 wins. WW can beat thor and hercules 1v1 and maxima can definitely beat thor and herules 1v1,....then theres the kryptonian

#48 Edited by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio

@wwq7 said:

I don't know anything about Leir, but Maxima can solo Thor and Hercules with her powers.

what if she doesn't get those for this fight?

#49 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

what if she didnt get what?????

#50 Posted by WWQ7 (466 posts) - - Show Bio

@betatesthighlander1: You'd have to take away most of her powers to make it fair and even if you did, she was the only person aside from Superman to trade blows with Doomsday and Superman was impressed with her speed so she would probably speedblitz Hercules and then defeat Thor.