Wonder Woman/First Born/Apollo vs Thor team

Everyone's blood lusted,standard gear,random in counter.Wonder Woman is new 52 but pre 52 feats are available.Fight takes place in Greek ruins who wins?

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I'd say team 2.

Team 2 most definitely. You've got the Hammer bros AND Loki to deal with.

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Team 2

WW and First Born should beat any of them. Apollo is a wild card not having a very defined power set.

Going with team one for now. Good fight.

Thor can likely just drain Apollo once he sees that his energy source is solar energy.

Beta Ray Bill has the necessary striking power to knock First Born on his ass.

Loki has the necessary power-set to take down Wonder Woman.

Team 2

Leaning toward team 2.

That's not gonna happen.

@patrat18: Loki is an absolute monster. New 52 Wonder Woman isn't too impressive.

Also, team 2 has a massive teamwork advantage.

Team two. Loki is pretty powerful now, and Thor can take first born.

@beaconofstrength: Wonder Woman's pre 52 feats are available like I said in the op/

@patrat18 Thor has drained beings of their power within before, I don't see why he couldn't do so here. Thor has easily drained Kang before.

@darkbeam: I'd still say team 2.

@darkbeam: Wonder Woman Team FTW

@oceanmaster21: Thanks for the input bro :-)

@darkbeam: no problem bro

@beaconofstrength: She gets her pre 52 feats.

Team Marvel handily

Team 2

Mhhh 3 vs 1 basically, i'd say numbers and loki's tricks could give team 2 the win/edge

People are massively downplaying First Born here. He rips off his skin and proceeds to do his crazy blood life drain thing. He's already punked Wonder Woman and Orion so he's boasting huge physicals too. Also as it's bloodlusted, WW will probably be taking off the bracers and calling an army of soldiers to help out.

I'll admit to not knowing a huge amount about what Loki is capable of in battle, other than him obviously being a huge wildcard.

I'll admit, Apollo is a major weak link here. He lacks feats to last long against anyone on Team 2 so he can get taken out fairly quickly. With 2 on 3 and Loki's bag of tricks being useful for distraction, Team 2 might be able to earn a slim majority. Diana's speed will need to be neutralised quickly because she can and will tear anyone on Team 2 to shreds with her superior speed advantage.

How do they have a teamwork advantage?! Loki is a sworn enemy of Thor and Bill so it's not as if this alliance will be them working together like a well oiled machine. It'll be a reluctant team up against foes they've never seen before.

@lvenger: Loki has worked with Thor before, and Beta Ray Bill gets along with Thor very well. They should be just fine, in the teamwork department. The only one Wonder Woman could dismiss quickly, is Thor, due to the speed advantage, and the fact he doesn't use his hammer creatively. I don't think she could tear through Beta Ray Bill or Loki, as easily as you think. They'd both have a chance at beating her. I don't see First Born last very long, either.

Again, BRB's speed and reflex feats are non existent as I've discussed and proven with you before. He's barely faster or quicker to react than Thor based on the limited evidence. Plus he doesn't use speed in combat that much. And my comment was only about Loki getting on with Thor. This isn't Young Loki or teenage dream Loki, this is the full fledged God of Evil Loki who'd just as well leave Thor to die as he would help him out. The only times he's helped Thor out are in extreme circumstances. And only Loki has a chance at nullifying the speed advantage Wonder Woman has though, as I've pointed out in a past debate with NWO on Superman vs Loki, that speed gap is a tremendous thing to account for.

@lvenger: They aren't non existent, you just don't seem to like them. You tried to debunk all of them and label them as speed feats that that happened once, so they shouldn't be allowed. You didn't really prove anything. While Loki may not have the key speed, he's still the most versatile here, and is going to be extremely hard to deal with.

I'm still backing team 2, here.

The First Born > Wonder Woman + Orion...Orion = Superman...

Apollo > base power Superman

The First Born and Apollo, together are enough here. Wonder Woman can go back to the JLA, chocking people.

WW getting no respect *sigh*

Team 1, for the following reasons:

1. The First Born, he's made his name by tanking whatever gods can throw at him before pulling them apart.
2. By applying some ABC logic: Apollo has been shown to be far stronger than Superman, who traditionally is seen as stronger than Thor. And he is the Sun, so giving the opposition a tan of a few million degrees isn't beyond him.
3. Diana is still blisteringly fast in the New 52, something Team 2 is not.

I think team one in a close fight.

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Marvel Team. Thor and Beta Ray Bill's physical strength shouldn't be taken lightly. Especially since Bill goes around busting planets and comets and Thor hits so hard a black hole formed

Team 2

Team 2,

First Born, while he has limited feats and is incredibly powerful; the hammer bros have the output to deal with him IMO.

Team 2, in a very close fight.

Apollo wasn't shown to be stronger than Superman. He punched him once.

Both Thor and BRB have stood in stars before, Apollo is almost useless here.

Team 2. In an almost Stomp.

Beata

@dondave: Considering Apollo took Superman off his feet with a casual gesture while Superman in return thundered into Apollo and made him move less than half the distance? Looking at that (I assume you know what scene I am talking about) either Apollo is very heavy, Superman not hitting him as hard as he looks to be (contradicting what he told Apollo moments before getting slapped), or as I claim, Apollo is a lot stronger than Superman (also add to this that it took so little effort for Apollo to overcome whatever power Superman normally employs to keep himself steady when only floating).

Let me guess, this standing in stars feat is something from 20-30 years ago? Because while I have seen Thor shrug off the best shot Iron man could take at him, I've also seen him knocked around by Power Cosmic blasts that I am confident is not nearly as hot. (Anyways, can the same be said of Loki?)

@beaconofstrength: I'm afraid you seem to have misinterpreted our PM on BRB's reaction feats. I never said I didn't like them, I pointed out what was wrong with generalising the speed and reaction feats you cited for BRB,

• BRB spotting Silver Surfer streaking through the sky is akin to spotting a shooting star on the ground. You can see the shooting star in the sky but that doesn't mean you can move or react at such speeds.
• Likewise, tagging the Silver Surfer isn't such a big deal because he hardly uses his speed effectively in combat. Heck he gets tagged by The Thing, Spider-Man and Thor who aren't above street level in speed and reflexes.
• And the one microsecond feat he does have is hard to generalise to BRB when he doesn't have any other reliable showings supporting them.

So no it's not that I don't like them, it's that the evidence is unreliable for BRB having the necessary reactions to deal with Wonder Woman. Which is why I agreed Loki would need to be the one to deal with Diana. And that's tricky with her Pre New 52 feats being active too. Fortunately, Apollo is nearly featless and First Born might be pushed around by the striking power and versatility of The Hammer Bros. Thus, I do think Team 2 can take a slim majority albeit not through having the necessary reactions to keep up with Wonder Woman.

Hell Heat even revives BRB :P

@outside_85:

Let me guess, this standing in stars feat is something from 20-30 years ago?

Actually, I can give you Marvel Now feats of Thor and BRB surviving in stars from Marvel NOW! comics. Thor's most recent star durability feat was from Thor: God of Thunder #9 where Present Thor, Young Thor and King Thor fight Gorr The God Butcher in the heart of the sun.

And Beta Ray Bill went into a star to search for a weapon in Nova #14 or #15 I think.

@lvenger: Hmm fair enough.

team 2. more overall power and decent fighting skills

Team 1

Still backing team 2 here.

Team 2

Team 2 with a bit of effort

Team 2.