Wonder Woman and Thor vs Superman and Hulk

@ancient_0f_days: Basing myself in current events... The only thing that actually exhausted Hulk was taking a slight cut in the throat that held the mass of a star in Infinity #6. Before that, absolutely nothing wore him down. As far as i know, that's the only moment when current Hulk actually lost a battle.

So we have planet shattering blows vs. someone who resisted the mass of a star within an understandable amount of time. It seems pretty close to me. I may be slightly leaning towards Hulk actually.

I originally came into this thread with object of saying stalemate or sth. After reading the arguments I say Team 1 takes the majority. Would have probably picked team 2 if someone proved how Hulk wasn't the non-factor he is. CIN.

I honestly think Hulk might get BFRd like he did when he was Kurth, but do you mind posting those scans from Infinity #6? Also, if you have scans of other fights current Hulk has been it'd probably help tip the scales for those who think he's a complete non factor.

@themagicstik said:

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I am inclined to give the two long haired characters the edge in majority wins. I think Wonder Woman and Thor will work better as a team, and whilst I believe that all these four characters routinely hold back to various degrees ordinarily, warrior type characters generally tend to have more practice and skill which should allow for relatively greater increase in effectiveness when fighting without morals, whilst all characters effectiveness should be increased. I also think they have the range and mobility advantage so the chances of more cross fighting and two on one fighting should favor them.

I think all these advantages stack and give them an advantage, but also not an absolute advantage, i definitely envision Hulk and Superman winning more than a few times in any given situation.

Um, Hulk was Nul, Kurth was Juggs.

Sure here they are...

Gallery

After this he tires down and turns back to Banner. He's not KO'd though, so a possible retransformation could've take place. It's also noticeable how it's mentioned Hulk's resistant skin even against a spear that cuts atoms, it's fairly easy to say they will have a horrible time trying to harm him.

Anyway, to be honest, Hulk could get BFR'd quite easily. However, is not on Thor's character to BFR people, let alone his all time rival Hulk. I promise i'll post scans making a case for Hulk but i gotta go get some sleep now. Although BFR is on the table, i think it's more likely we see a brawl with a hammer and lightnings than Thor BFRing him.

@ghostravage said:

Um, Hulk was Nul, Kurth was Juggs.

Sure here they are...

Gallery

After this he tires down and turns back to Banner. He's not KO'd though, so a possible retransformation could've take place. It's also noticeable how it's mentioned Hulk's resistant skin even against a spear that cuts atoms, it's fairly easy to say they will have a horrible time trying to harm him.

Anyway, to be honest, Hulk could get BFR'd quite easily. However, is not on Thor's character to BFR people, let alone his all time rival Hulk. I promise i'll post scans making a case for Hulk but i gotta go get some sleep now. Although BFR is on the table, i think it's more likely we see a brawl with a hammer and lightnings than Thor BFRing him.

ahh I knew he was one of those, possessed by gods and all...anyway.

Wonder Woman's tiara is made from the same material that forged the Sword of Hephaestus, that blade is sharp enough to split the electrons off of atoms...it is similarly sharp as Corvus's blade. And I wasn't sure which spear you were referring to, I'm thinking Proxima's spears, cus Corvus's Glaive wasn't made from a star to my knowledge ...as for BFR you have a point...but this is morals off, Thor has BFR'd Hulk before as well as the Destroyer Armor on numerous occasions. It is still in character for him to brawl but i think he'll still be inclined to use that as well.

@ancient_0f_days: Well... I didn't think of Superman as a countermeasure for BFRing Hulk though, im really sleepy, but he can bring back Hulk plenty of times like Captain Marvel did Avengers.

Anyway, it was Proxima's, it was stated on panel there.

I'll come back to this tomorrow. Good talk.

Team 1.

Hulk is the weak link ... He may have the potential to be the strongest out of the others, but ... He can't fly, and is to slow.

People are underestimating Diana to much, as per usual. Let's not forget she has held her own against a Superman bent on killing her, stalemating him, and holding back. Now, she is completely bloodlusted, she's not going to hold back, and no one has seen what an uncontrolled Diana is capable of ... Well, there is the instance where she defeated Genocide (Wonder Woman #32) ... Genocide is beast, just look at their first encounter.

Wonder Woman as her strength, her speed, faster reflexes than any of these guys, and her fighting abilities ... -sigh- no one can argue any of these guys have better fighting abilities than her, she trumps them in that area 100 to 1.

And then there is Thor ... Thunder in his own right.

I am not underestimating Superman or Hulk, I know what there capable of, and I don't need to clarify that ... Hundreds of people have done so already, with a bit of exaggeration of course. ;)

My guess is It'll be Superman against Diana and Thor .......... Bleh, just my 2 cents.

it will piss off (or at least annoy) a mod or two though...and it's usually unnecessary.

No one here is bloodlusted, they just aren't morally hindered which means they are fighting to their best and will kill to win. Bloodlusted usually implies that they are beside themselves with rage and the only option they see is to kill, that's not the same thing as having no morals.

Ok, lets finish this, i don't really care about the wonderwoman vs supes, but thor would take out hulk, anyone who wants to argue otherwise can reply directly at me, and from there i will lay down the beats on why thor would own hulk

@sebast_allen: I already did all that hours ago

I'm going with Team 2

is there an argument or is that just a blank statement...

@foreverevil

@ancient_0f_days: Ok, im back mate, what would you want me to make a case for?

Team 1 on the basis Thor can Overpower Hulk.

@tanet62: You are right, it won't "kill" anyone :P, but it goes against our rules as ComicVine is a family friendly site and we hope that you can respect that enough to follow through with that. Not too much to ask yeah?

lol You don't why you're "talking" to me? Well you engaged me first by tagging yourself into a debate that I was having w/ another user, putting in your 2 cents. Then I responded (bc that's generally what ppl do), then you did (kind of rudely too). If you don't want to "talk" to me in the future, then you probably shouldn't start the convo in the first place. You know If you'd like, you never have to "talk" to me again if you don't want to. I wouldn't have a problem w/ that at all. As a matter of fact, I'd invite it soooo... yeah let's just go w/ that shall we? ;D

Superman and hulk easy unless Thor busts out the superior magic. Diana goes down first and hard, then Thor gets double teamed and he can't match either of them physically so yeah they lose

**cartwheels into thread**

Hulk and Wonder Woman in a surprise win ---

**moonwalks out of thread while doing the Egyptian**

Are you guys serious?

Thor could take supes or hulk, wonderwoman could stall both long enough for thor to finish the last opponent off

Thermo blast one shots both

Godblast one shots both

Anti force one shots both

May i go on?

And thor can suck supes dry of hos energy, he can't do that to hulk though

Most likely, however Thor is most likely not going to employee any of those in a fight with peers. Those attacks are reserved for major cosmic threats as a last resort attack, not an opening volley.

Hulk is stronger than Superman so your logic is flawed... again. 2-3 well placed blows from the Hulk should be more than enough to flatten her. It's not low-balling, just the truth.

Not sure who's side your on, ifyour one supes side, HAVE AT THEE NAVE.

If not, then, thor doesn't really need those attacks, he just needs to use his ego hurting lightning, or full power mjolnir strikes would wreak havoc on both

I'm on neither side, I think it's a very even fight and as a result put "toss up". I could see it going either way. I was simply commenting that I highly doubt Thor would utilize those aforementioned attacks. Of course if he did, it would be over right than and there.

Yeah, but edge goes to the mythological beings, way more versatile and have more fighting skills and battle experience

Well, I suppose we can start with Hulk not being a non factor, him keeping Thor nice and busy or even possibly defeating him........

Are you even trying to be right?

You're almost as wrong as Moonman78, Thor never uses those abilities regularly enough to be used here. God Blast maybe, Thermo and Anti-Force? Unlikely, he'd more readily use his gale force winds or casual lightning than Anti/Thermo/God Blasts and energy absorbing. And unless Superman is extremely distracted and or restrained, he'll dodge it every time. Hulk could probably tank most of it since he probably wont dodge it but if not he'd go down, but to just start throwing out moves and saying they'll get one shotted without any evidence is kinda shady.

No it's not the truth, even if it was she'd dodge every punch he throws, even if she couldn't dodge she'd block every blow. She's durable enough to take more than 2 or 3, you don't know enough about Wonder Woman to start throwing numbers up there and I' like to see proof that she'd be down in 2-3 punches, not to mention she too has a healing factor. Hulk was downed recently by spears with the weight of stars and a small cut from a blade that splits atoms....Wonder Woman's tiara is made from the same stuff as the Sword of Hephaestus and is said to be just as sharp. That sword shaves electrons off of atoms, her lasso is sharp enough to decapitate beings that Superman was going all out on and could not defeat (imperiex probes). This is just for your information btw, she can definitely harm the Hulk whereas all Hulk has in his own defense is the ever fickle "Eventually" argument....just clarifying (well placed punches my ass, she can casually break the sound barrier on her worst day and Hulk is going to punch her square in the face in her prime? Come on.)

He's banned, I think.

@ancient_0f_days: No, of course not...here:

I believe Superman beats WW....about Hulk and Thor, let's say they have a draw...The remaining fighters are Superman,Hulk vs Thor...so they win easily...

The other scenario is: Superman beats Thor and WW beats Hulk...it comes to Superman vs WW and Superman wins....

YAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY!

Thor and WW easily. WW has beaten Superman and Thor could kill the Hulk with the power of Mjonir. Team one.

lol +1

Why? LOL

you have to prove Superman wins of course but I already had that debate with a Superman expert the Superman expert on this site, I don't think you'd be anything new in terms of a Wonder Woman vs Superman debate.....

There's a difference between putting something out there for the sake of relevance and and putting something out there just to put it out there, the latter would be what you did. I know you brought up the lightning before but I wasn't addressing that, I was addressing the fact that you were saying Thor could take Supes or Hulk out in one shot with a bunch of random stuff he hasn't done in decades... mind posting when he nearly killed Hulk? I think I know what instance you are referring to but really...Hulk has some serious feats that lead me to believe it would take me more than a single blast especially now that Hulk has had an upgrade or two. As for Thor sucking Supes dry (pause), when was the last time he did that? Consistency is key around here, what characters do in battles frequently is most likely to be done in a random battle. Even though morals are off and all the stops are being pulled, if they've only done an attack once decades ago in their entire long careers....why should I consider it as relevant in a random battle....Also, that life sucking attack is point and shoot...Superman can dodge it.

Being smart about it doesn't mean much if there are clear advantages each has and if they consistently fight the same way. He can't successfully blitz all around her like he does Mongul and lesser foes, fighting skilled is useless against her own skill, he can't fully take advantage of his greater versatility due to her own substantial versatility and defense, she knows how he fights so you can't just say "if he fights smart" like that actually means something. How he uses his powers only works on slower foes or people who don't know him well enough....Superman and Wonder Woman have fought each other at least 5 times over the decades and have fought side by side countless times, they even fought together in Valhalla for 1000 years. The point is, they know each other too well and fight each other the same way consistently enough that they have a good idea how the other fights and they both know how to counter the other since they are already in the same league with everything just about. I already had this debate with Lvenger, you should check out that thread as well. But the point is, I have more evidence to support the idea that they will stalemate than you have evidence that Superman will definitely win every time. Even if Superman could win definitively, he's never done so in comics....I cannot find a single fight where he definitively won a fight between just him and Wonder Woman, there are fights where he looked the better of the two but there was no clear winner, same for Wonder Woman although Sacrifice has her looking much better than Superman by the end. But lets say Superman would beat Wonder Woman every time without a doubt....do you know how long that would take? Their fight in Sacrifice was less than 3 minutes but that was because Supes was bloodlusted and being mind controlled, WW had to end that fast...a fight like this can go on forever or at the very least a few hours IMO...Thor would have beaten Hulk, gone to Asgard and had a sandwich in less time. But I'll let you read Citizen Bane's Blog first...

Superman will win sorry man.

prove it

He Sundipped in a blue sun for a 100 years is the equivalent to thousands in a yellow sun making him Superman Prime 1 Million meaning he's second in the DC Multiverse to the Presence and can do anything he imagines. That alone puts him on a level equal to LT all the other stuff together tips the scales.

Oh crap way wrong thread. Anyways he's stronger faster more durable and his skill levels are comparable to Wonder Woman's along with the fact that he has way more versatility.

That is a fantastic idea! Let's make that happen.

Beats me although my educated guess would be that it might've had something to do w/ how he continued to address other users in a disrespectful manner on a consistent basis. From what I gathered, it seemed like he a knack for causing strife within the community. As we all know, the mods aren't oblivious to what goes on in these threads so I figured that they probably took notice and decided to "eliminate" the root of the problem. Idk if he's banned or just taking a break but the two times I've seen Citizen post "check PMs" to a user... I've not seen them since. I could be wrong though so don't quote me on that.

I tend to see users disappear after they get one or two PMs from CitzenBane. LOL!

@ancient_0f_days: Ok, if you think so...but I still stand by my choice :) ...

Team 2 takes this by a lot, but not a stomp. I say 8/10 Team 2. With morals off, Superman will speed blitz Thor. I consider Thor and Superman to be about equal, but one thing is for sure, Superman reacts much faster and moves faster, and can kite Thor. Thor will be distracted, and will not be able to get off any hits while Wonder Woman gets pummeled by Hulk. Not sure about Hulk's power level, but I believe he has beaten up non-Odin Force/Rune King Thor before. So Then Hulk and Supes team Thor and win. The only possible shot of Team 1 winning is for Wonder Woman to magically bind Superman before the speed blitz so Thor can shoot the magical God Blast and KO him, and then Hulk will get easily teamed by Thor and Wonder Woman.

Team 1.

Why Team 1? How would they win?