No way. Simon is so unsure of himself while Herc is the opposite of that, he's confident and capable and never backs down. That's his advantage in this fight.
Hercules wins. Classic ( meaning Pre-Chaos King) Hercules beats any version of Wonder Man every time, he doesn't need to be amped or upgrades to win against Simon.
" Hercules wins. Classic ( meaning Pre-Chaos King) Hercules beats any version of Wonder Man every time, he doesn't need to be amped or upgrades to win against Simon. "
You know Herc well. What of his feats suggest to You that he can win it?
@czarny_samael: Judging by how he handled Simon during a brief moment in the Civil War and in the initial story-arc of Incredible Hercules. Those times and the fact that he has stood against and fared better against common opponents. Hercules is still stronger and the better fighter. Durability is close. Speed might be in Simon's favor. Experience and warrior's heart go to Herc. Herc wins.
" @czarny_samael: Judging by how he handled Simon during a brief moment in the Civil War and in the initial story-arc of Incredible Hercules. Those times and the fact that he has stood against and fared better against common opponents. Hercules is still stronger and the better fighter. Durability is close. Speed might be in Simon's favor. Experience and warrior's heart go to Herc. Herc wins. "
In which number? I've didin't read whole Civil War (and it was long time ago).
Hercules even classic Wonderman was stated to be under Thor and back than Thor and Hercules where literally equals with the exception Thor had other powers besides strength and Hercules had more wrestling skill. Wonder man energy form or regular won't beat Hurt. I mean Gladiator beat him with easy and an enraged Sentry did some real damage to him but Sentry is overrated...
I think that Herc probably has greater strength (Simon's strength has fluctuated with writers over the years) while I'd have to say Simon has greater durability. Simon has trained with Capt. America and had some SHIELD training too, but I think that Herc definitely has him in super strength H2H, thousands of years more combat experience. Gonna give it to Hercules 7/10
" @czarny_samael: Judging by how he handled Simon during a brief moment in the Civil War and in the initial story-arc of Incredible Hercules. Those times and the fact that he has stood against and fared better against common opponents. Hercules is still stronger and the better fighter. Durability is close. Speed might be in Simon's favor. Experience and warrior's heart go to Herc. Herc wins. "
In which number? I've didin't read whole Civil War (and it was long time ago)."
Issue #3, page 16 (group battle scene). Herc only hits him once, but Simon isn't spotted again in this battle while Hercules goes on to battle Doc Samson, She-Hulk, Spider-Man and Iron Man.
" @czarny_samael: Judging by how he handled Simon during a brief moment in the Civil War and in the initial story-arc of Incredible Hercules. Those times and the fact that he has stood against and fared better against common opponents. Hercules is still stronger and the better fighter. Durability is close. Speed might be in Simon's favor. Experience and warrior's heart go to Herc. Herc wins. "
In which number? I've didin't read whole Civil War (and it was long time ago)."
Issue #3, page 16 (group battle scene). Herc only hits him once, but Simon isn't spotted again in this battle while Hercules goes on to battle Doc Samson, She-Hulk, Spider-Man and Iron Man. "
Not that quick. And Wonder Man is also very strong and durable so he should ba able to pull a win after very hard battle. "
How lol? He can't hit herc hard enough and Herc has way more fighting skill and power? Just because you can fly around some one you can win thats what the dc trolls keep saying about Superman and galactus but since they never read a marvel comic they don't see Silver Surfer tried the same thing and always looses. WM looses to say he wins means your going by one power that he isn't even good at lol. he can fly but its not fast
Damn Sentry is so weak to Herc he can literally lean all the way back and pull himself up from the punch lol. Even if people say he' is holding back that is still pretty weak lol with the way he was leaning down if it was atleast strong enough it should had smashed him to the ground lol
@mandarink said: 1.Wonder Man can hurt Hercules. 2.Herc is equal to Thor only in strength. You probably know the right scan. 3.Speed is a great power. Probably the greatest. Problem is that most of DC fans don't know, that characters like Thor, Surfer, Gladiator, Hyperion and Sentry have it too. That is why big guns from Marvel vs. big guns from DC are a good battle. Marvel people just rarely use it. 4.Herc has great durability, but Wonder Man has it too. 5.I don't recall any good enough Herc's durability feats that suggest that Wonder Man shouldn't be able to hurt him. Maybe some scans? On the other hand Wonder Man survived when Scarlett Witch drop a moutain on him. 6.Wonder Man is fast and he can fly. Much more his punches will land on Herc, than opposite. 7.Power Herc suggest to me that I should read their battle in Civil War, but I can't find it. Maybe You (or someone else) can find it?
" @mandarink said: 1.Wonder Man can hurt Hercules. 2.Herc is equal to Thor only in strength. You probably know the right scan. 3.Speed is a great power. Probably the greatest. Problem is that most of DC fans don't know, that characters like Thor, Surfer, Gladiator, Hyperion and Sentry have it too. That is why big guns from Marvel vs. big guns from DC are a good battle. Marvel people just rarely use it.4.Herc has great durability, but Wonder Man has it too. 5.I don't recall any good enough Herc's durability feats that suggest that Wonder Man shouldn't be able to hurt him. Maybe some scans? On the other hand Wonder Man survived when Scarlett Witch drop a moutain on him.6.Wonder Man is fast and he can fly. Much more his punches will land on Herc, than opposite. 7.Power Herc suggest to me that I should read their battle in Civil War, but I can't find it. Maybe You (or someone else) can find it? "
1.He can hurt but can't take him down 2.Yeah they are equal with Herc being a better fighter, and Thor ore powerful. They armwresteld once and nearly destroyed earth left it at equal. 3.Speed is great but greatly over rated on the vine especially with dc characters every one thinks superman will speed blitz some one but Thor won't just hit him with whtie lighting. 4Wonder man durability isn't as great as Hercules. One hit from Thors hammer turned wonder man back to normal from energy to normal, when this happened to Hercules he just got angrier. Plus a nuke killed Wonderman it won't kill Herc. 5.Wasn't a full mountain though if I remember correctly. 6. Your overrated Wondermans speed he never uses it in a fight. He can only fliy and tackle people Herc wil see him very easily while he does this. He can't fly fast enough for it to be a threat thats why its never used that much. It definitely will not help with punches, Hercules has dealt with shapeshiftings before that can get close and killed them with strategy. 7. They have fought before and Hercules took him out with one punch, you have to notice earth hereos aren't on par with cosmic heroes. Namor Hulk Thing aren't like Beta ray bill thor and Hercules. Even Marvel admits in and internview Hulk isn't as strong as Thor.
@mandarink: (Read this text with Deadpool's Voice) Well, he is a god after all, and all we know that in power: OAA >Beyonder > Odin > Celestial > Eternial/Gods > SuperSkrulls > Aliens > Metahumans (People with powers) > Skrulls > Humans > Ants... Well... We all know that: Gods > Metahumans Herc > Sentry... Well Sentry is pretty cool anyway, he killed Moleculeman, Ares and Loki (Even if they are going to come back) and almost killed Thor (But at the end Thor killed him) that was pretty awesome... And he doesn't holds back, he is crazy as hell... That is different, because he doesn't knows about his own power... But still, Herc is better than Sentry... And Wonderman...
" @mandarink: (Read this text with Deadpool's Voice)Well, he is a god after all, and all we know that in power: OAA >Beyonder > Odin > Celestial > Eternial/Gods > SuperSkrulls > Aliens > Metahumans (People with powers) > Skrulls > Humans > Ants... Well... We all know that:Gods > Metahumans Herc > Sentry... Well Sentry is pretty cool anyway, he killed Moleculeman, Ares and Loki (Even if they are going to come back) and almost killed Thor (But at the end Thor killed him) that was pretty awesome... And he doesn't holds back, he is crazy as hell... That is different, because he doesn't knows about his own power... But still, Herc is better than Sentry... And Wonderman... "
Lol funny comment but I wouldn't put Odin above celestials. Yeah everything else is pretty true.
" @mandarink: But Odin defeated celestials wearing the destryer armor, right? "
Oh no he got his ass kicked lol, and died. Thor beat two celestials but Odin lost fighting them all at once. Well Thor hurt two, Threw a sword through one, and broke open the skull of another.
" @mandarink: Zeus has the same powers as Thor, isn't he? "
Basically but Hercules is the king of his gods, while Thor is the prince of the king of his gods. Zues can beat Thor with almost no effort if he wanted lol thats a skyfather
@mandarink: But Zeus is just the God of Sky and Thunder, and Thor is the God of war, thunder, lightning, storms, oak trees, strength, destruction, fertility, healing, and the protection of mankind.
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