Wolverine Vs. Zuko

@termiteone4ever said:

@god_spawn said:

@termiteone4ever said:

Logan for sure got this . Zuko may be the better fighter but Durability healing and stamina out last Zuko. who is is almost lightning fist with his swords

Zuko is not a better fighter than Wolverine. Wolverine is an accredited 7 in the handbook and is one of Marvel's top h2h fighters with plenty of feats to back him up on this if written properly and actually uses his skills here.

I read X-men for years i know wolverines capabilities . He is not the better fighter or the faster one . I posted a video in the last Zuko argument look up the last fight with between Zuko and his sister. You will see what i mean . Whats makes him the better fighter is his speed. Able to chase and catch lightening plus his skills. I am not saying that he is going to win against wolverine due to the fact that wolverine has the better healing ability / Unbreakable adimantium / plus he has good fighting ability to hold his own. NOw if this was bone claw wolverine he loses.   

Zuko has only dodges and reflected lighting from Ozai and Azula, that isn't the same as dodging lightning from the sky.

Wolverine stomps this so hard it's not even funny.

@termiteone4ever said:

@god_spawn said:

@termiteone4ever said:

Logan for sure got this . Zuko may be the better fighter but Durability healing and stamina out last Zuko. who is is almost lightning fist with his swords

Zuko is not a better fighter than Wolverine. Wolverine is an accredited 7 in the handbook and is one of Marvel's top h2h fighters with plenty of feats to back him up on this if written properly and actually uses his skills here.

I read X-men for years i know wolverines capabilities . He is not the better fighter or the faster one . I posted a video in the last Zuko argument look up the last fight with between Zuko and his sister. You will see what i mean . Whats makes him the better fighter is his speed. Able to chase and catch lightening plus his skills. I am not saying that he is going to win against wolverine due to the fact that wolverine has the better healing ability / Unbreakable adimantium / plus he has good fighting ability to hold his own. NOw if this was bone claw wolverine he loses.   

Wolverine is a better fighter, i don't care if you read X-men for years, if you can't apply the logic truthfully it means little. Azula's lightning is slower than regular lightning, it was never shown to even be close the speed of regular lightning hence why someone that isn't superhuman or peak human can react to it. Wolverine is a top tier fighter and if written properly beats Captain America in a hand to hand fight and is comparable to other fighters like Shang Chi who he beat, T'Challa, Daredevil, Deadpool  etc. And as for faster, someone who blitzes humans on multiple occasions, and dodges automatic gunfire on a regular basis Zuko is faster based off what? if Wolverine fights stupid he loses, Zuko has the upgraded power and distance, and he isn't a bad fighter that he can't trump Logan combined with his fire  if Wolverine fights with lunges and claw strikes. Wolverine if he actually uses his skills would wipe the floor with Zuko in hand to hand.

@Trackz: No he's never done that with lightning from the sky. He waited for lightning to strike him, but it never came. And I've seen scans of Wolverine dodging lightning as well.

@god_spawn said:

@termiteone4ever said:

@god_spawn said:

@termiteone4ever said:

Logan for sure got this . Zuko may be the better fighter but Durability healing and stamina out last Zuko. who is is almost lightning fist with his swords

Zuko is not a better fighter than Wolverine. Wolverine is an accredited 7 in the handbook and is one of Marvel's top h2h fighters with plenty of feats to back him up on this if written properly and actually uses his skills here.

I read X-men for years i know wolverines capabilities . He is not the better fighter or the faster one . I posted a video in the last Zuko argument look up the last fight with between Zuko and his sister. You will see what i mean . Whats makes him the better fighter is his speed. Able to chase and catch lightening plus his skills. I am not saying that he is going to win against wolverine due to the fact that wolverine has the better healing ability / Unbreakable adimantium / plus he has good fighting ability to hold his own. NOw if this was bone claw wolverine he loses.   

Wolverine is a better fighter, i don't care if you read X-men for years, if you can't apply the logic truthfully it means little. Azula's lightning is slower than regular lightning, it was never shown to even be close the speed of regular lightning hence why someone that isn't superhuman or peak human can react to it. Wolverine is a top tier fighter and if written properly beats Captain America in a hand to hand fight and is comparable to other fighters like Shang Chi who he beat, T'Challa, Daredevil, Deadpool  etc. And as for faster, someone who blitzes humans on multiple occasions, and dodges automatic gunfire on a regular basis Zuko is faster based off what? if Wolverine fights stupid he loses, Zuko has the upgraded power and distance, and he isn't a bad fighter that he can't trump Logan combined with his fire  if Wolverine fights with lunges and claw strikes. Wolverine if he actually uses his skills would wipe the floor with Zuko in hand to hand.

he's done the same trick with lightning from the sky and elements hey bend have never been shown to be weaker than the actual elements so it doesn't make sense that lightning is soomehow slower. Zuko basically outran a lightning bolt. Lightning>Bullet I believe.  Those names don't mean much really, while Wolverine is one of the best fighters in his universe, Zuko is one of the best in his.   The fight depends on how hot Zuko can get his fire really, Wolverine has walked through some energy blasts, however he has had all the skin and muscle melted from his bone before. 

@cascadeking09 said:

@Trackz: No he's never done that with lightning from the sky. He waited for lightning to strike him, but it never came. And I've seen scans of Wolverine dodging lightning as well.

pretty sure we're suppose to assume it does seeing as he manages to learn the technique and is able to do it the next time hes faced with lightning.  wolverine, like many other characters, aim dodge, Zuko we actually see outrun a lightning bolt to its target.

of zuko knows how to actually create lightning, he wins pretty quickly, if not, i could see him holding off wolverine for a while, but eventually he'll get shredded 

@Trackz said:

@cascadeking09 said:

@Trackz: No he's never done that with lightning from the sky. He waited for lightning to strike him, but it never came. And I've seen scans of Wolverine dodging lightning as well.

pretty sure we're suppose to assume it does seeing as he manages to learn the technique and is able to do it the next time hes faced with lightning.  wolverine, like many other characters, aim dodge, Zuko we actually see outrun a lightning bolt to its target.

You can assume whatever you'd like, but I assumed that he was just doing it for the first time against Ozai. Aang pulled off the technique the same way without having ever being attacked our struck by lightning before that. And real lightning is faster than lightning from someone's hands. And that's pretty much what Zuko does there only instead of aim dodging he ran for what she was aiming at. Not much  of a difference.

@Trackz: None of the past avatars were lightning users. Supposedly only Ozai and Azula can do that. No it's not real lightning there's a difference. Real lightning comes from clouds. It's not about Zuko it's about any character that shoots lightning from their hands. Flames don't have speed, neither does water, lightning actually has a speed. But as I've said before it does not really matter.

@Trackz: Why because you say so and compare it to do things that don't move one their own or have speed?

wolverine wins...this feels like wolverine day lol......

@cascadeking09 said:

@Trackz: Why because you say so and compare it to do things that don't move one their own or have speed?

because of the nature of lightning is to get from one point to the next as fast as possible, the character build charge, then discharge on the target. you could argue it's not as hot as the llightning that comes from the sky but it's very nature tells us it would be just as fast. 

@Trackz said:

@cascadeking09 said:

@Trackz: Why because you say so and compare it to do things that don't move one their own or have speed?

because of the nature of lightning is to get from one point to the next as fast as possible, the character build charge, then discharge on the target. you could argue it's not as hot as the llightning that comes from the sky but it's very nature tells us it would be just as fast. 

" I'm not going to pretend that I know what I'm talking about, but I'm fairly certain that the speed of lightning varies when talking about the rate it travels from the point of origin (in this case somebodies hand) to the point of impact. Something about the path and speed of atmospheric plasma. Somebody smarter then I could probably easily clarify this. My point is, all lightning does not travel at the same speed. So although it is impressive, Batgirl's bullet dodging feats are just as equally impressive."  - Gambler   Almost perfectly sums up my answer to for that, though I've never really heard someone try to with me argue that dodging or out running lighting that comes from someone's hands is the exact same speed as real lightning before.

@cascadeking09 said:

@Trackz said:

@cascadeking09 said:

@Trackz: Why because you say so and compare it to do things that don't move one their own or have speed?

because of the nature of lightning is to get from one point to the next as fast as possible, the character build charge, then discharge on the target. you could argue it's not as hot as the llightning that comes from the sky but it's very nature tells us it would be just as fast. 

" I'm not going to pretend that I know what I'm talking about, but I'm fairly certain that the speed of lightning varies when talking about the rate it travels from the point of origin (in this case somebodies hand) to the point of impact. Something about the path and speed of atmospheric plasma. Somebody smarter then I could probably easily clarify this. My point is, all lightning does not travel at the same speed. So although it is impressive, Batgirl's bullet dodging feats are just as equally impressive."  - Gambler   Almost perfectly sums up my answer to for that, though I've never really heard someone try to with me argue that dodging or out running lighting that comes from someone's hands is the exact same speed as real lightning before.

yes, lightning speed changes depending on the medium it's travelling through. Lightning speed may vary, it sure as hell doesn't creep to slower that 70 MPH. There's absolutely no evidence that suggests the lightning is slower..and you quoted somebody who's opening statement was "I'm not going to pretend like I know what I'm talking about," No disrespect to him, but lightning is faster than a bullet. the only difference here is that it was generated much closer to the target. when you shock someone from static, does the charge from your hand move slower than if it came from the sky? no. Zuko outran lightning. Zuko's speed>Wolverine's. 

@Trackz said:

@cascadeking09 said:

@Trackz said:

@cascadeking09 said:

@Trackz: Why because you say so and compare it to do things that don't move one their own or have speed?

because of the nature of lightning is to get from one point to the next as fast as possible, the character build charge, then discharge on the target. you could argue it's not as hot as the llightning that comes from the sky but it's very nature tells us it would be just as fast. 

" I'm not going to pretend that I know what I'm talking about, but I'm fairly certain that the speed of lightning varies when talking about the rate it travels from the point of origin (in this case somebodies hand) to the point of impact. Something about the path and speed of atmospheric plasma. Somebody smarter then I could probably easily clarify this. My point is, all lightning does not travel at the same speed. So although it is impressive, Batgirl's bullet dodging feats are just as equally impressive."  - Gambler   Almost perfectly sums up my answer to for that, though I've never really heard someone try to with me argue that dodging or out running lighting that comes from someone's hands is the exact same speed as real lightning before.

yes, lightning speed changes depending on the medium it's travelling through. Lightning speed may vary, it sure as hell doesn't creep to slower that 70 MPH. There's absolutely no evidence that suggests the lightning is slower..and you quoted somebody who's opening statement was "I'm not going to pretend like I know what I'm talking about," No disrespect to him, but lightning is faster than a bullet. the only difference here is that it was generated much closer to the target. when you shock someone from static, does the charge from your hand move slower than if it came from the sky? no. Zuko outran lightning. Zuko's speed>Wolverine's. 

There's also the bolded part of that statement. Something that doesn't come from every person that shoots lightning from their hands. You can't prove that Zuko is faster than lightning with something like that because we don't know the speed the lightning travels from her hands.   "Zuko's speed> Wolverine's"  Can you back that up with other showings of Zuko dodging or outrunning lightning? No. And even though Wolverine has dodge lightning (that also wasn't from the sky) you dismissed it as him dodging, but the lightning wasn't coming from someone's hands.

Logan takes the win.

I think Zuko has this. He is a decent fighter plus ranged that would hurt Wolverine.

I think Zuko has this. He is a decent fighter plus ranged that would hurt Wolverine.

Im not so sure. But he isnt the same wolverine he used to be. He is way amped from when I collected comics. I am going by the olden day knowledge i guess.

@cascadeking09 said:

@Trackz said:

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@Trackz said:

@cascadeking09 said:

@Trackz: Why because you say so and compare it to do things that don't move one their own or have speed?

because of the nature of lightning is to get from one point to the next as fast as possible, the character build charge, then discharge on the target. you could argue it's not as hot as the llightning that comes from the sky but it's very nature tells us it would be just as fast. 

" I'm not going to pretend that I know what I'm talking about, but I'm fairly certain that the speed of lightning varies when talking about the rate it travels from the point of origin (in this case somebodies hand) to the point of impact. Something about the path and speed of atmospheric plasma. Somebody smarter then I could probably easily clarify this. My point is, all lightning does not travel at the same speed. So although it is impressive, Batgirl's bullet dodging feats are just as equally impressive."  - Gambler   Almost perfectly sums up my answer to for that, though I've never really heard someone try to with me argue that dodging or out running lighting that comes from someone's hands is the exact same speed as real lightning before.

yes, lightning speed changes depending on the medium it's travelling through. Lightning speed may vary, it sure as hell doesn't creep to slower that 70 MPH. There's absolutely no evidence that suggests the lightning is slower..and you quoted somebody who's opening statement was "I'm not going to pretend like I know what I'm talking about," No disrespect to him, but lightning is faster than a bullet. the only difference here is that it was generated much closer to the target. when you shock someone from static, does the charge from your hand move slower than if it came from the sky? no. Zuko outran lightning. Zuko's speed>Wolverine's. 

There's also the bolded part of that statement. Something that doesn't come from every person that shoots lightning from their hands. You can't prove that Zuko is faster than lightning with something like that because we don't know the speed the lightning travels from her hands.   "Zuko's speed> Wolverine's"  Can you back that up with other showings of Zuko dodging or outrunning lightning? No. And even though Wolverine has dodge lightning (that also wasn't from the sky) you dismissed it as him dodging, but the lightning wasn't coming from someone's hands.

atmospheric plasma is in the atmosphere, meaning it exists in the air. Again when you get shocked by something or shock someone, how long does that take? less than a millisecond...oh but should it take like half a minute since it's comign from someones hand? no. this is physics, no matter how you try to bend it, there's no way the lightning bolt is travelling slower than 100 mph, faster than Wolverine can move.   I don't need other showings, Zuko hasn't existed for decades like Wolverine, outrunning lightning is all you need. I've dismissed Wolverine's feat as aim-dodging because characters that are FASTER than wolverine have admitted to aim dodging bullets, let alone lightning. Zuko didn't even dodge the lightning, he beat the lightning to its target.   This doesn't even prove that Zuko would win the fight, and I'm pretty sure Wolverine wins, but Zuko's speed feat hasn't been replicated by Logan. 

Zuko wins, Ferro and Luna have already gave great points in doing so. Wolverine's HF is weaker apparentely and he can only win if he gets close. Zuko is very agile and can manipulate his flames and use lighting to stop his heart. Less people have beaten wolverine. Zuko can keep himself at bay. His fire can melt rocks and metal. Wolverine would be reduced to a skeleton and although it won't kill him, it will render him useless to fight. And if he wans to keep going zuko can just roast his innards.  Even in close combat, Wolverine isn't just gonna stab him willy nilly. Zuko is a skilled swordsman and martial artist  and can produce flames up close, flames wolverine can't dodge given his feats of wins and loses.^3^  

Zuko wins, Ferro and Luna have already gave great points in doing so. Wolverine's HF is weaker apparentely and he can only win if he gets close. Zuko is very agile and can manipulate his flames and use lighting to stop his heart. Less people have beaten wolverine. Zuko can keep himself at bay. His fire can melt rocks and metal. Wolverine would be reduced to a skeleton and although it won't kill him, it will render him useless to fight. And if he wans to keep going zuko can just roast his innards.  Even in close combat, Wolverine isn't just gonna stab him willy nilly. Zuko is a skilled swordsman and martial artist  and can produce flames up close, flames wolverine can't dodge given his feats of wins and loses.^3^  

@god_spawn: Zuko is also skilled in fighting up close, plus he shoot off flames from his swords, hands, mouth, and feet from any distance. He isn't easily beaten in up close battles. Zuko would even be able to knock wolverine out, he doesn't have to be super strong to do so all it would take is a well place strike. Wolverine may be skilled in many martial arts, but he mostly fights like a street brawler. Zuko can dance around wolvie while roasting him to a more vulnerable state. Wolvie has to 1. Rush him and hope for the best or 2. try to sneak around and then strike him, but that tactic would fail if Zuko burns the battle field  up around him. I'm also sure that zuko can also emit smoke as a veil, but if not you have alther styles of fire bendeng he knows and style of blade to blade /hand to hand to worry about vs having to get close in order to do anything. 

@Aero_gt said:

@god_spawn: Zuko is also skilled in fighting up close, plus he shoot off flames from his swords, hands, mouth, and feet from any distance. He isn't easily beaten in up close battles. Zuko would even be able to knock wolverine out, he doesn't have to be super strong to do so all it would take is a well place strike. Wolverine may be skilled in many martial arts, but he mostly fights like a street brawler. Zuko can dance around wolvie while roasting him to a more vulnerable state. Wolvie has to 1. Rush him and hope for the best or 2. try to sneak around and then strike him, but that tactic would fail if Zuko burns the battle field  up around him. I'm also sure that zuko can also emit smoke as a veil, but if not you have alther styles of fire bendeng he knows and style of blade to blade /hand to hand to worry about vs having to get close in order to do anything. 

No, based off feats Wolverine does beat him up close with moderate effort in hand to hand once he gets close if he chooses to fight use his skills. As if Zuko would easily KO him with one strike. And Zuko dances around Logan despite Wolverine being faster? Zuko can't emit smoke and that has never stopped Wolverine tracking his opponents. Also breathing fire here won't help since when he did it normally he made only a small flame and you can't compare that to his regular blasts he did under Sozin's comet cause you have no way to base off the strength of his enhanced "fire breath".  Fire bending is based off only a few fighting styles 2-3 i believe. Wolverine has fought over the world, if he chooses to fight smart he can make his way into close range, he has plenty of tanking/ healing  fire feats that could put up a case here especially since his HF has been restored to it's wierd level allowing him to heal from being dead again. You can't use the HF debate since it's out of date. Again Zuko's only edge is ranged attacks, and can trump Logan if he fights stupid but if he does decide to fight smart and does get close, he can pick apart Zuko. I've already explained why both sides can win in previous posts.

Zuko wins, Ferro and Luna have already gave great points in doing so. Wolverine's HF is weaker apparentely and he can only win if he gets close. Zuko is very agile and can manipulate his flames and use lighting to stop his heart. Less people have beaten wolverine. Zuko can keep himself at bay. His fire can melt rocks and metal. Wolverine would be reduced to a skeleton and although it won't kill him, it will render him useless to fight. And if he wans to keep going zuko can just roast his innards.  Even in close combat, Wolverine isn't just gonna stab him willy nilly. Zuko is a skilled swordsman and martial artist  and can produce flames up close, flames wolverine can't dodge given his feats of wins and loses.^3^  

@god_spawn said:

@Aero_gt said:

@god_spawn: Zuko is also skilled in fighting up close, plus he shoot off flames from his swords, hands, mouth, and feet from any distance. He isn't easily beaten in up close battles. Zuko would even be able to knock wolverine out, he doesn't have to be super strong to do so all it would take is a well place strike. Wolverine may be skilled in many martial arts, but he mostly fights like a street brawler. Zuko can dance around wolvie while roasting him to a more vulnerable state. Wolvie has to 1. Rush him and hope for the best or 2. try to sneak around and then strike him, but that tactic would fail if Zuko burns the battle field  up around him. I'm also sure that zuko can also emit smoke as a veil, but if not you have alther styles of fire bendeng he knows and style of blade to blade /hand to hand to worry about vs having to get close in order to do anything. 

No, based off feats Wolverine does beat him up close with moderate effort in hand to hand once he gets close if he chooses to fight use his skills. As if Zuko would easily KO him with one strike. And Zuko dances around Logan despite Wolverine being faster? Zuko can't emit smoke and that has never stopped Wolverine tracking his opponents. Also breathing fire here won't help since when he did it normally he made only a small flame and you can't compare that to his regular blasts he did under Sozin's comet cause you have no way to base off the strength of his enhanced "fire breath".  Fire bending is based off only a few fighting styles 2-3 i believe. Wolverine has fought over the world, if he chooses to fight smart he can make his way into close range, he has plenty of tanking/ healing  fire feats that could put up a case here especially since his HF has been restored to it's wierd level allowing him to heal from being dead again. You can't use the HF debate since it's out of date. Again Zuko's only edge is ranged attacks, and can trump Logan if he fights stupid but if he does decide to fight smart and does get close, he can pick apart Zuko. I've already explained why both sides can win in previous posts.

He's still burns through his flesh, Hazin's comet or not. How often does wolverine fight "smart" against foes who aren't massively strong and more than not he'll fight dumb and get owner with multiple burns. How would he get close if Zuko can also make concussive, but also scorching blasts of fire? Fires that can change in width and length.  Wolverine's speed is not enough to dodge a wide Optic blast from Cyclops and it was stated that a mere fireball to the face will throw him off his game. The Battle was decide long ago when people stopped trying to make an argument on it, then a fanboy saw the old topic and tried to revive it or put in his two cents.-3-

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 I'm still siding with  Zuko, but if somehow he could escape/withstand large flames and catch up to Zuko who can at least propel himself into the sky, he'd be able to throw a punch/stab at him and maybe hit, Zuko is familiar with Martial arts so Wolverine wouldn't be able to stomp him cheaply, I' d also doubt that him seeing a burning/skull and bones wolverine would entice him to give him a  close combat fight. Although electricity should be able to stop his body from functioning. That is if he has normal organs.   
 
@cascadeking09:  Let's see... Electricity can shut down you heart and other organs. It's a skill that Zuko can do at this point. Your body is a great conductor of electric currents. Electricity can both kill and revive one's life plus or minus some side effects like stroke or paralysis. Done. 

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@Trackz: Why because you say so and compare it to do things that don't move one their own or have speed?

because of the nature of lightning is to get from one point to the next as fast as possible, the character build charge, then discharge on the target. you could argue it's not as hot as the llightning that comes from the sky but it's very nature tells us it would be just as fast. 

" I'm not going to pretend that I know what I'm talking about, but I'm fairly certain that the speed of lightning varies when talking about the rate it travels from the point of origin (in this case somebodies hand) to the point of impact. Something about the path and speed of atmospheric plasma. Somebody smarter then I could probably easily clarify this. My point is, all lightning does not travel at the same speed. So although it is impressive, Batgirl's bullet dodging feats are just as equally impressive."  - Gambler   Almost perfectly sums up my answer to for that, though I've never really heard someone try to with me argue that dodging or out running lighting that comes from someone's hands is the exact same speed as real lightning before.

yes, lightning speed changes depending on the medium it's travelling through. Lightning speed may vary, it sure as hell doesn't creep to slower that 70 MPH. There's absolutely no evidence that suggests the lightning is slower..and you quoted somebody who's opening statement was "I'm not going to pretend like I know what I'm talking about," No disrespect to him, but lightning is faster than a bullet. the only difference here is that it was generated much closer to the target. when you shock someone from static, does the charge from your hand move slower than if it came from the sky? no. Zuko outran lightning. Zuko's speed>Wolverine's. 

There's also the bolded part of that statement. Something that doesn't come from every person that shoots lightning from their hands. You can't prove that Zuko is faster than lightning with something like that because we don't know the speed the lightning travels from her hands.   "Zuko's speed> Wolverine's"  Can you back that up with other showings of Zuko dodging or outrunning lightning? No. And even though Wolverine has dodge lightning (that also wasn't from the sky) you dismissed it as him dodging, but the lightning wasn't coming from someone's hands.

atmospheric plasma is in the atmosphere, meaning it exists in the air. Again when you get shocked by something or shock someone, how long does that take? less than a millisecond...oh but should it take like half a minute since it's comign from someones hand? no. this is physics, no matter how you try to bend it, there's no way the lightning bolt is travelling slower than 100 mph, faster than Wolverine can move.   I don't need other showings, Zuko hasn't existed for decades like Wolverine, outrunning lightning is all you need. I've dismissed Wolverine's feat as aim-dodging because characters that are FASTER than wolverine have admitted to aim dodging bullets, let alone lightning. Zuko didn't even dodge the lightning, he beat the lightning to its target.   This doesn't even prove that Zuko would win the fight, and I'm pretty sure Wolverine wins, but Zuko's speed feat hasn't been replicated by Logan. 

The difference is in the sky and clouds from the air and movements of someone's hands. It didn't say it takes half a minute or anything like that, but dodging lightning from Azula doesn't make Zuko a lightning dodger or faster than lightning. And this is just one instance of him ever doing anything like that, would his speed throughout the series lead you to believe he could move that fast? If he can have one showing of doding lightning he should have at least one or tow other speed feats that would lead you to believe he was even close to that. It doesn't take decades to have one or two speed feats. His biggest speed feat before that was chopping at an arrow. And you're exaggerating him "outrunning" the lightning, he took two short strides then jumped in front of it. Katara was just two steps to the right behind him. Yes Logan has a feat comparable to that. The one I saw was of Logan with his back turned moving out of the way. Zuko moving in front of Lightning isn't alot more impressive.

as for this fight, people are underestimating Wolverine's factor. as annoying as it may be, Wolverine has taken lightning strikes and pretty much everything under the sun and kept coming. Zuko would need to hammer Wolverine with fire for a while before Wolverine finally broke down. 
 
Wolverine 7/10

@Aero_gt:  He doesn't have normal organs though...Wolverine is still low level superhuman in durability.

Wasn't Anime vs Comic re banned?

@god_spawn said:

@Aero_gt:  He doesn't have normal organs though...Wolverine is still low level superhuman in durability.

When...  sigh. How super are these organs? 

Wolverine would heal from any attack Zuko throws at him. Therefore, the man with the rage of a beast wins. Plus, Wolvie has taken on Class 100s and held his own...such as Abomination, Hulk, and Colossus.

@cascadeking09 said:

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@Trackz: Why because you say so and compare it to do things that don't move one their own or have speed?

because of the nature of lightning is to get from one point to the next as fast as possible, the character build charge, then discharge on the target. you could argue it's not as hot as the llightning that comes from the sky but it's very nature tells us it would be just as fast. 

" I'm not going to pretend that I know what I'm talking about, but I'm fairly certain that the speed of lightning varies when talking about the rate it travels from the point of origin (in this case somebodies hand) to the point of impact. Something about the path and speed of atmospheric plasma. Somebody smarter then I could probably easily clarify this. My point is, all lightning does not travel at the same speed. So although it is impressive, Batgirl's bullet dodging feats are just as equally impressive."  - Gambler   Almost perfectly sums up my answer to for that, though I've never really heard someone try to with me argue that dodging or out running lighting that comes from someone's hands is the exact same speed as real lightning before.

yes, lightning speed changes depending on the medium it's travelling through. Lightning speed may vary, it sure as hell doesn't creep to slower that 70 MPH. There's absolutely no evidence that suggests the lightning is slower..and you quoted somebody who's opening statement was "I'm not going to pretend like I know what I'm talking about," No disrespect to him, but lightning is faster than a bullet. the only difference here is that it was generated much closer to the target. when you shock someone from static, does the charge from your hand move slower than if it came from the sky? no. Zuko outran lightning. Zuko's speed>Wolverine's. 

There's also the bolded part of that statement. Something that doesn't come from every person that shoots lightning from their hands. You can't prove that Zuko is faster than lightning with something like that because we don't know the speed the lightning travels from her hands.   "Zuko's speed> Wolverine's"  Can you back that up with other showings of Zuko dodging or outrunning lightning? No. And even though Wolverine has dodge lightning (that also wasn't from the sky) you dismissed it as him dodging, but the lightning wasn't coming from someone's hands.

atmospheric plasma is in the atmosphere, meaning it exists in the air. Again when you get shocked by something or shock someone, how long does that take? less than a millisecond...oh but should it take like half a minute since it's comign from someones hand? no. this is physics, no matter how you try to bend it, there's no way the lightning bolt is travelling slower than 100 mph, faster than Wolverine can move.   I don't need other showings, Zuko hasn't existed for decades like Wolverine, outrunning lightning is all you need. I've dismissed Wolverine's feat as aim-dodging because characters that are FASTER than wolverine have admitted to aim dodging bullets, let alone lightning. Zuko didn't even dodge the lightning, he beat the lightning to its target.   This doesn't even prove that Zuko would win the fight, and I'm pretty sure Wolverine wins, but Zuko's speed feat hasn't been replicated by Logan. 

The difference is in the sky and clouds from the air and movements of someone's hands. It didn't say it takes half a minute or anything like that, but dodging lightning from Azula doesn't make Zuko a lightning dodger or faster than lightning. And this is just one instance of him ever doing anything like that, would his speed throughout the series lead you to believe he could move that fast? If he can have one showing of doding lightning he should have at least one or tow other speed feats that would lead you to believe he was even close to that. It doesn't take decades to have one or two speed feats. His biggest speed feat before that was chopping at an arrow. And you're exaggerating him "outrunning" the lightning, he took two short strides then jumped in front of it. Katara was just two steps to the right behind him. Yes Logan has a feat comparable to that. The one I saw was of Logan with his back turned moving out of the way. Zuko moving in front of Lightning isn't alot more impressive.

lightning, is lightning. I don't think you understand this. Not all water is the same but it still has the same basic properties, it will still freeze/evaporate at the same temperatures. Same thing was fire. Them harnessing the element and the physics behind them don't change because they're being bent by people, that's why it's a super power. Zuko didn't dodge lightning by Azula, he OUTRAN a lightning bolt! You see it in the video, the lightning is shooting for Katara, and he sprints and gets in front of her before the lightning bolt reaches her. Do you realize how explosive you have to be to beat freaking LIGHTNING to its target? lightning moves at 224,000 mph, even if you want to say it moves half as fast (which still has no credibility) that's STILL 1,000 times fast than a bullet, which Logan has to aim dodge.    speed advantage? zuko. 

@cascadeking09  
1. people faster than Wolverine had admitted they can't dodge bullets. lightning>bullets
2. zuko has a history of dodging and reacting to lightning, it's commonplace for skilled benders.  
3. zuko doesn't need multiple speed feats, unlike Wolverine he hasn't been around for multiple decades. quantity doesn't equal quality. 

This thread is such a joke lol even during Sozin's Comet, Zuko cannot do anything to put Wolverine down for good. Wolverine has many feats of dodging lightning. Actions speak louder than words, and even though people above Wolverine have "admitted" that they can't dodge bullets, Wolverine has done not only that, but also dodged real lightning from the sky. With Sozin's Comet, Wolverine jumps into the air and claws Zuko's intestines out.

Kemurikage Azula from "Smoke and Shadow Part 3" amped by Sozin's Comet would've been a much better match for Wolverine. Zuko is nothing compared to Wolverine. Even Azula would lose, though. Her lightning would fry him for a bit, though...