Venom
Wolverine vs. venom
@kcaz said:
wolverine wins because the symbiote has too much weaknesses. all is take is 1 grenade. the sound wave from the explosion of the grenade will weaken the symbiote and expose the host. wolverine will then decapitate the host with 1 swift slash
Why would Wolverine have grenades on him?
From the perspective that they are in their normal character forms with normal equipment, Venom would take this. There simply isn't much that the ol' Canuck could do against him.
OP did not say anything about normal equipment or no prep. so with prep and knowledge, wolverine takes this.logan use to be an intelligence operative for the Canadian government, with knowledge of symbiote's weaknesses, he could easily prep a few grenades, flamethrower or device which emits huge soundwaves@kcaz said:
wolverine wins because the symbiote has too much weaknesses. all is take is 1 grenade. the sound wave from the explosion of the grenade will weaken the symbiote and expose the host. wolverine will then decapitate the host with 1 swift slashWhy would Wolverine have grenades on him?
From the perspective that they are in their normal character forms with normal equipment, Venom would take this. There simply isn't much that the ol' Canuck could do against him.
@kcaz said:
@Azrael66 said:OP did not say anything about normal equipment or no prep. so with prep and knowledge, wolverine takes this.logan use to be an intelligence operative for the Canadian government, with knowledge of symbiote's weaknesses, he could easily prep a few grenades, flamethrower or device which emits huge soundwaves@kcaz said:
wolverine wins because the symbiote has too much weaknesses. all is take is 1 grenade. the sound wave from the explosion of the grenade will weaken the symbiote and expose the host. wolverine will then decapitate the host with 1 swift slashWhy would Wolverine have grenades on him?
From the perspective that they are in their normal character forms with normal equipment, Venom would take this. There simply isn't much that the ol' Canuck could do against him.
Firstly, the OP wrote this over 4 years ago. Secondly, I think it's safe to assume when no specifics are mentioned that the characters are in their normal forms with normal equipment.
@kcaz said:
wolverine wins because the symbiote has too much weaknesses. all is take is 1 grenade. the sound wave from the explosion of the grenade will weaken the symbiote and expose the host. wolverine will then decapitate the host with 1 swift slash
What weaknesses? Like fire? A rocket launcher? Sorry, but Venom overcame those weaknesses.
@kcaz said:
@Azrael66 said:OP did not say anything about normal equipment or no prep. so with prep and knowledge, wolverine takes this.logan use to be an intelligence operative for the Canadian government, with knowledge of symbiote's weaknesses, he could easily prep a few grenades, flamethrower or device which emits huge soundwaves@kcaz said:
wolverine wins because the symbiote has too much weaknesses. all is take is 1 grenade. the sound wave from the explosion of the grenade will weaken the symbiote and expose the host. wolverine will then decapitate the host with 1 swift slashWhy would Wolverine have grenades on him?
From the perspective that they are in their normal character forms with normal equipment, Venom would take this. There simply isn't much that the ol' Canuck could do against him.
You are also wrong here, because if there is no statement to prep or not then you assume standard gear no prep. This is like saying "Oh, Venom can go talk to Daken or Omega Red or anyone that knows about Wolverine, obtain a gun with Carbonadium bullets and fire them into Wolverine." No, it doesn't work this way. You don't just make up your own rules. Please go read the rules. PLEASE GO READ THE RULES. New people here never do.
Looks like theyve fought in a story arc called Venom: Tooth and Claw not sure who won sadley and it looks like a lot of other timesas well ;/
Venom is, and probably ever will be, a bad fight for Wolverine.
Venom is the opposite of Logan in that it would take a brick to really pose a problem to Venom. Someone like Colossus would / should probably beat Venom whereas Wolverine would / should beat Colossus ...
Powerset makes the fight. And against Venom, Logan comes up short.
@texasdeathmatch said:
@SlimJ87D: Didn't realize Jason Todd fought Venom :D
That's Sin Eater, not Jason Todd. =P
haha yeah, I just saw a red mask with an RPG and explosives, and he was the first thing that came to mind.@texasdeathmatch said:
@SlimJ87D: Didn't realize Jason Todd fought Venom :DThat's Sin Eater, not Jason Todd. =P
wolverine wins because the symbiote has too much weaknesses. all is take is 1 grenade. the sound wave from the explosion of the grenade will weaken the symbiote and expose the host. wolverine will then decapitate the host with 1 swift slashA grenade? seriously? I'm sorry but read something with venom in it...Even Flash Thompson (the 2nd weakest venom known to date) has tanked explosions with out the symbiote being removed.
@kcaz said:actually, the sound from a grenade explosion should be enough to weaken the symbiote and expose the host. sound of 195dB will cause eardrums rupture, 202dB causes death from sound wave (shock) alone. a 1 lb. bomb or grenade has sound of 191dB. so i makes no sense he can tank explosives without the symbiote being weakened from the sound wavewolverine wins because the symbiote has too much weaknesses. all is take is 1 grenade. the sound wave from the explosion of the grenade will weaken the symbiote and expose the host. wolverine will then decapitate the host with 1 swift slashA grenade? seriously? I'm sorry but read something with venom in it...Even Flash Thompson (the 2nd weakest venom known to date) has tanked explosions with out the symbiote being removed.
@jashro44 said:Well he has.@kcaz said:actually, the sound from a grenade explosion should be enough to weaken the symbiote and expose the host. sound of 195dB will cause eardrums rupture, 202dB causes death from sound wave (shock) alone. a 1 lb. bomb or grenade has sound of 191dB. so i makes no sense he can tank explosives without the symbiote being weakened from the sound wavewolverine wins because the symbiote has too much weaknesses. all is take is 1 grenade. the sound wave from the explosion of the grenade will weaken the symbiote and expose the host. wolverine will then decapitate the host with 1 swift slashA grenade? seriously? I'm sorry but read something with venom in it...Even Flash Thompson (the 2nd weakest venom known to date) has tanked explosions with out the symbiote being removed.
actually, i dont think he had overcame those weakness yet, if not he would have said so, instead of saying"these flames can do us some real damage". his hand on the ground looks like its already starting to melt off because of the temperature, maybe the flame wasnt near enough to his body.@kcaz said:
wolverine wins because the symbiote has too much weaknesses. all is take is 1 grenade. the sound wave from the explosion of the grenade will weaken the symbiote and expose the host. wolverine will then decapitate the host with 1 swift slashWhat weaknesses? Like fire? A rocket launcher? Sorry, but Venom overcame those weaknesses.
OK. Wolverine doesn't have prep here. Doesn't carry missile launchers or sonics as standard fare. So why is all this even relevant?
Venom beats the Wolverine (barring some strange plot device)
@kcaz: Did you not understand the MAIN point of our post to you? We beat it through to you pretty clearly, Wolverine doesn't have PREP. Understand that please. I find it disrespectful that you just ignored all of us explaining the rules to you and then you keep making your mistakes over and over again.
Second, those scans you posted are when he was very weak against fire but later in his career he gets stronger with the symbiote and overcomes his weakness with fire. I don't think you got that point either, just keep posting scans of Venom when he was far from his peak.
Venom is far and beyond Wolverine in every aspect. Even Spidey is two steps ahead in power levels, and Venom's four times more powerful (except for spider-sense). Venom hurting an alert Superman is straight-up PIS, though. Brock is lucky he didn't cripple his hand (especially the souped-up mullet Superman, immediately post-DoSm).
Guys. Wolverine had over 700 YEARS of fighting experience. He was a damn samurai for a period of time. Thats not easy. And lets not discredit the fact that he is also superhuman, not only for his healing ability but also for superhuman agility and endurance. He's been through twice as much combat as any venom host, and almost always come out on top. He took on the hulk for crying out loud. Wolverine could probably never permanently destroy the symbiote, but he would certainly slay host after host. If deadpool can take on several venom-infested dinosaurs and win, (Deadpool vs. The marvel universe) Then wolverine can certainly take on one venom.
@chrisp0394 said:
Guys. 1.Wolverine had over 700 YEARS of fighting experience. He was a damn samurai for a period of time. Thats not easy.2. And lets not discredit the fact that he is also superhuman, not only for his healing ability but also for superhuman agility and endurance. He's been through twice as much combat as any venom host, 3. and almost always come out on top. He took on the hulk for crying out loud. Wolverine could probably never permanently destroy the symbiote, 4.but he would certainly slay host after host. 5.If deadpool can take on several venom-infested dinosaurs and win, (Deadpool vs. The marvel universe) Then wolverine can certainly take on one venom.
Welcome to the Vine. Hope you like it here. A few things to point out here though.
1. Wolverine is less than 200 years old. He is a master h2h combatant but no he's not that old.
2. Wolverine has superhuman agility, reflexes, speed and strength. However, Venom is far superior than him in everything mentioned except arguably reflexes (and that's combat reflexes BTW). What keeps Logan in the fight is his Adamantuim Skeleton and his healing factor, which means that Venom probably won't K.O (or at least take a long time) him despite being many times stronger.
3. No he has not. More often than not Hulk beats him and WWH humiliated him. He loses a plethora of battles due to luck, prep, PIS, WIS or simply being outclassed. Gorgon, for example, was causally owning Logan and Elektra at the same time.
4. Wolverine will only be slaying hosts if they are not combined with Venom. Those who become Venom naturally have very high resistance to both piercing and blunt trauma (Wolverine once stabbed Eddie Brock and he laughed), combined with general stats which are equivalent or greater than that of Spider-Man and a endless supply of webbing.
5. That wasn't cannon as I recall. Non cannon feats are not allowed on Comic-Vine.
The fight will probably go in the direction of Wolverine trying to defeat Venom by stabbing him and failing due to Venom's durability combined with his speed, reflexes and agility. Likewise Venom will fail in trying to KO Logan by using blows. Soon enough, Venom will realize that webbing up Logan, trapping him under multi-ton items or BFR would probably be the best options and proceed to do likewise. Logan's best chance would be to decapitate Venom, but he rarely goes for that, and the Speed and Reflexes Venom possesses would make that difficult.
Venom vs Wolverine is like Spider-Man vs Wolverine except that Venom has luxury of being able to endure endless slashes from Logan's claws while he figures out the best way to defeat him.
Just my 25 cents on the matter.
@laflux said:
@TERMINATORXX said:
Wolverine tears Venom Apart.
I have no problem that you disagree with my point of view but at least try to give a reason for your answer :-).
Wolverine faster, more agile, has a healing factor, has the strongest metal yet...etc and Venom doesnt so
Wolverine stomps.
@TERMINATORXX said:
@laflux said:
@TERMINATORXX said:
Wolverine tears Venom Apart.
I have no problem that you disagree with my point of view but at least try to give a reason for your answer :-).
Wolverine faster, more agile, has a healing factor, has the strongest metal yet...etc and Venom doesnt so
Wolverine stomps.
He is not definitely not faster, more agile and his healing factor nor Adamantuim won't make a difference if he is webbed up, has webbing stuffed down his throat, trapped under a car or punched clean out of the area due to Venom's massive strength advantage. It is NOT a stomp for Wolverine, that is for sure.
does stabbing venom have any effect? if not then venom wins.
Eddie and Flash both are resistant/heal from piercing/slashing near instantly.
Either one should win this handily, although judging by the debate it is Eddie.
Wolverine will win. He has the healing powers which gives him a big advantage and he can easily kill the host of the venom symbiote with his adamantium or even bone claws.
@bigmedlock: what with you an bumping 5 year old threads, and saying the wrong answer? Venom wrecks
@bullet_to_the_head: wolverine wins yea wolverine is a ultiment terminator vs a powerfull alien !!!good fight Wolverine for the win
@bigmedlock: but why does he win? Here on Comicvine You have to back it up.
Venom Wins because Wolverine's claws won't even hurt him, in Venom: Tooth and Claw, Wolverine Stabbed Venom and Venom Laughed. Venom is also faster, stronger and has a damn good healing factor, Wolverine can't hurt Venom while Venom has ton of ways to put James down.
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