Wolverine vs Vegeta

Vegeta decreases his power so that he can match Wolverine in all aspects

Vegeta and Wolverine are at the same level

No prep

Morals off

H2H only

Probably Wolverine. With no ki Vegeta has no super-human defense, and though he still has his skills to fall back on, he won't have any particular advantage in terms of speed or strength over Wolverine since he's handicapped.

Yeah, the essentially strips vegeta of all his powers and turns him into a slightly better than peak human martial artist. It's not even the same character really.

If anything, Vegeta should have the immediate advantage of this being h2h. Logan is a samurai, not a fist fighter. Could go either way though.

Wolvie.

@Fortified_Hooligan said:

Yeah, the essentially strips vegeta of all his powers and turns him into a slightly better than peak human martial artist. It's not even the same character really.

The OP is effectively asking who is the better fighter when powers are removed, nothing wrong with that considering the Z fighters are suppose to be full-time martial artists and there are a tonne of threads along the same line.

Wolverine breaks his jaw, although he has mixed showings there are still moments of decent fighting, the fighting style in DB is laughably bad.

Wolverine

@Dextersinister said:

the fighting style in DB is laughably bad.

It's the same in everything unless an effort is made to change it bro... it's not like we're all martial artists watching DBZ or reading comics or writing them for that matter

@Dextersinister said:

@Fortified_Hooligan said:

Yeah, the essentially strips vegeta of all his powers and turns him into a slightly better than peak human martial artist. It's not even the same character really.

The OP is effectively asking who is the better fighter when powers are removed, nothing wrong with that considering the Z fighters are suppose to be full-time martial artists and there are a tonne of threads along the same line.

Wolverine breaks his jaw, although he has mixed showings there are still moments of decent fighting, the fighting style in DB is laughably bad.

True. I'd also add that the OP didn'tstrip Wolve of anything so Wolve would really have all the advantage in this fight.

Wolverine

Vegeta can with stand a blast that could destroy a planet. If he is matching wolverine in every aspect then he's just as durable. When the match strictly comes down to who is the better fighter, I'm going with the guy who was breed to be an intergalactic spartan. Vegeta is more skilled and will take this.

@nickzambuto said:

If anything, Vegeta should have the immediate advantage of this being h2h. Logan is a samurai, not a fist fighter. Could go either way though.

wha?

@nickzambuto said:

If anything, Vegeta should have the immediate advantage of this being h2h. Logan is a samurai, not a fist fighter. Could go either way though.

What? What comic books have you been reading that lead you to believe that Wolverine is not a proficient h2h combatant? He's not a fist fighter? Adamantium claws come out of his hands, most of the fights Wolverine is engaged in are h2h. Wolverine takes this fairly easily.

@Captain_Awesome85 said:

Vegeta can with stand a blast that could destroy a planet. If he is matching wolverine in every aspect then he's just as durable. When the match strictly comes down to who is the better fighter, I'm going with the guy who was breed to be an intergalactic spartan. Vegeta is more skilled and will take this.

Did you read the OP? Vegeta has basically been stripped of all his ki so his durability isn't anywhere near planetary. Plus, did you forget about Wolverine's insane regeneration? Without ki, Vegeta's durability is no where near Wolverine's.

Sooo...

-Vegeta and Wolverine are same durability, only Wolvey still has his indestructible (on those levels of power) Adamantium skeleton and healing factor

-Vegeta and Wolverine are just as strong and fast

Hypothetically Wolverine could pull out a win due to indestructibility, but the fact is that Vegeta is far more skilled and experienced. He's probably older too just to throw that out there. I'm guessing Wolverine has been ko'd by less than Vegeta before in strictly h2h.

I give Vegeta the majority

@uberhikari said:

@nickzambuto said:

If anything, Vegeta should have the immediate advantage of this being h2h. Logan is a samurai, not a fist fighter. Could go either way though.

What? What comic books have you been reading that lead you to believe that Wolverine is not a proficient h2h combatant? He's not a fist fighter? Adamantium claws come out of his hands, most of the fights Wolverine is engaged in are h2h. Wolverine takes this fairly easily.

No. Wolverine fights with claws. Wolverine is a swordsman. He's good with his hands but not as good.

@nickzambuto said:

@uberhikari said:

@nickzambuto said:

If anything, Vegeta should have the immediate advantage of this being h2h. Logan is a samurai, not a fist fighter. Could go either way though.

What? What comic books have you been reading that lead you to believe that Wolverine is not a proficient h2h combatant? He's not a fist fighter? Adamantium claws come out of his hands, most of the fights Wolverine is engaged in are h2h. Wolverine takes this fairly easily.

No. Wolverine fights with claws. Wolverine is a swordsman. He's good with his hands but not as good.

He's still one of the best in the marvel universe....

@nickzambuto said:

@uberhikari said:

@nickzambuto said:

If anything, Vegeta should have the immediate advantage of this being h2h. Logan is a samurai, not a fist fighter. Could go either way though.

What? What comic books have you been reading that lead you to believe that Wolverine is not a proficient h2h combatant? He's not a fist fighter? Adamantium claws come out of his hands, most of the fights Wolverine is engaged in are h2h. Wolverine takes this fairly easily.

No. Wolverine fights with claws. Wolverine is a swordsman. He's good with his hands but not as good.

This is a false statement. His claws are attached to his hands and has nothing to do with a sword. Punching and kicking isn't exactly an effective method when half of your rogue gallery is beyond his stats, has some time of weapon to match his adamantium and not to mention healing factors. His claws make the fights more even for him and are just as much considered h2h. Just replace his punches and kicks with claw strikes and you have his skill level.

He's stomped Shang-Chi, defeated Cap via with barely an effective hf or use of claws, shown up Bucky (in his younger days), beat Kid Gladiator all in h2h and has many more feats. Read his Manifest Destiny story and get back to me that Logan isn't one of Marvel's best h2h fighters.

@nickzambuto said:

@uberhikari said:

@nickzambuto said:

If anything, Vegeta should have the immediate advantage of this being h2h. Logan is a samurai, not a fist fighter. Could go either way though.

What? What comic books have you been reading that lead you to believe that Wolverine is not a proficient h2h combatant? He's not a fist fighter? Adamantium claws come out of his hands, most of the fights Wolverine is engaged in are h2h. Wolverine takes this fairly easily.

No. Wolverine fights with claws. Wolverine is a swordsman. He's good with his hands but not as good.

On what grounds do you say that Wolverine is not as skilled as a h2h combatant as he is a samurai? In an overwhelming majority of his fights Wolverine is using h2h, Wolverine's h2h feats outstrip his feats as a samurai but you maintain that he's a better samurai? Again, on what grounds? Also, does fighting with claws somehow diminish your ability as a h2h fighter? I don't understand what your getting at here.

@uberhikari:

Also, does fighting with claws somehow diminish your ability as a h2h fighter? I don't understand what your getting at here.

This. I don't get why people assume this. I know you are not saying it just addressing it in general. Logan's rogue gallery and most of his enemies either outstat, have a power to even the odds (like a healing factor which a lot of his rogues do) or some type of weapon that also evens things out (Omega Red, Cyber's skin, LDS, Daken when he had M blade claws,) etc and on top of that are highly skilled combatants.

Logan wouldn't survive a lot of his rogues if he wasn't skilled, in fact, that is how he has usually survived or come out on type while giving solid fights. A karate chop or a punch isn't gonna do much of anything to them. And he has already shown that when he wasn't as skilled, Shang-Chi walked all over him in a flashback story. Years later in comic's timeline he beat him in 3 pages.

Why people assume Logan can't fight with the best of them based on skill doesn't make much sense to me. He would be getting own every time by Daredevil, Cap, hell, even Elektra etc if he wasn't.

No. Wolverine fights with claws. Wolverine is a swordsman. He's good with his hands but not as good.

@Vance Astro said:

@nickzambuto said:

No. Wolverine fights with claws. Wolverine is a swordsman. He's good with his hands but not as good.

The "Wolverine isn't a good fighter"myth seems to be used as often as the "Shang Chi is the best in the Marvel Universe" myth.

I didn't say Wolverine was a bad fighter.

Actually, I said this fight can go either way.

What I said was that he's not as good with his fists as he is with his claws.

What I said was that he's not as good with his fists as he is with his claws.

Vegeta throws Logan to the sun. The end.

@SandMan_: Ignoring Vegeta probably couldn't do that anyway, the fight says h2h only. Sorry for sounding rude, I just wanted to point that out

@god_spawn said:

@uberhikari:

Also, does fighting with claws somehow diminish your ability as a h2h fighter? I don't understand what your getting at here.

This. I don't get why people assume this. I know you are not saying it just addressing it in general. Logan's rogue gallery and most of his enemies either outstat, have a power to even the odds (like a healing factor which a lot of his rogues do) or some type of weapon that also evens things out (Omega Red, Cyber's skin, LDS, Daken when he had M blade claws,) etc and on top of that are highly skilled combatants.

Logan wouldn't survive a lot of his rogues if he wasn't skilled, in fact, that is how he has usually survived or come out on type while giving solid fights. A karate chop or a punch isn't gonna do much of anything to them. And he has already shown that when he wasn't as skilled, Shang-Chi walked all over him in a flashback story. Years later in comic's timeline he beat him in 3 pages.

Why people assume Logan can't fight with the best of them based on skill doesn't make much sense to me. He would be getting own every time by Daredevil, Cap, hell, even Elektra etc if he wasn't.

Exactly, lol.

Wolvie 8/10 under these conditions

Meh, kinda unfair, would be better to strip Logan of his healing factor and Claws to make this a truly even match.

@Hksaru: wolvie was born in the late 1800's and vegeta is in betweek 40 and 50 by the end of DBZ

@SandMan_ said:

Vegeta throws Logan to the sun. The end.

lol

@daredevil21134 said:

@SandMan_ said:

Vegeta throws Logan to the sun. The end.

lol

Except that Vegeta has lowered his power level to exactly match Logan's, as stated in the OP.

In this fight, there's no way Vegeta can beat Wolverine due to healing factor and adamantium claws. He takes the fight simply because Vegeta can't get past his durability.

If we're going purely by skill, Vegeta has always trained to use superior firepower, and really, isn't a good martial artist. He relies on super human abilities to win for him. Before he landed on Earth in the Saiyan saga, he wasn't even shown to have ever used martial arts, he just vaporizes stuff, or breaks the opponents with his bare hands. Vegeta's strength has always been in his intelligence and strategy, and pure firepower, not his martial arts. Take away his firepower and throw someone who's a much better, more durable fighter than him, and he has to use his brains to think his way out of it, and there's no real way he can do that in a pure 1v1 fight with no terrain or battlefield specified.

If they do this in a factory for example... It's possible Vegeta can win. But he's also proud and might want to simply duke it out with Wolverine.

Wolverine takes it 9/10 times.

Morals off? Vegeta cheats and wins. ;)

@god_spawn:

OMG You are a mod too.

I feel like a loser now :(

@jloneblackheart said:

Morals off? Vegeta cheats and wins. ;)

Ha ha this^.

@uberhikari: It says Vegeta lowers himself to Wolverine's level, not that he was stripped of all powers. At the same level of power and endurance Vegeta would take this.

@Captain_Awesome85 said:

@uberhikari: It says Vegeta lowers himself to Wolverine's level, not that he was stripped of all powers. At the same level of power and endurance Vegeta would take this.

not with the indestructible skeleton and healing factor which Vegeta lacks. Slowly but surely, Vegeta would begin to tire out.

So how would Wolverine take Vegeta out hmm? a few well placed blast will vaporize wolvies skin exposing his organs. Vegeta is still too fast and too strong even when depowered. Vegeta has NO morals and won't hesitate to cheat. I could probably see wolvie cutting off Vegetas hand or arm, but that would be wolvies last attack sending Vegeta into a rage that would leave nothing left of wolverine but a adamantium skeleton. you can't win on healing factor or weapons alone.

@darth_omega_47: no DBZ and in before the lock.

Why would you bump such a dumb post? This fight is completely stupid, if he stripped Wolverine of his powers then it would be a better fight but he makes Vegeta a normal human yet Wolverine keeps his healing factor and Adamantium Skeleton? Obviously Wolverine wins. Spite.

:D

NB4lock

Logan. Wait, won't this be locked?

What?

@god_spawn@deranged_midget

@wolverine08: Lol

@darkbeam:

Sweet new avi bro.