I think 616 would win because he has more experience being older and all.
Wolverine vs Ultimate Wolverine
@makhai said:
@divell said:
@makhai said:
@divell said:
Ultimate Wolverine, 616 adamantium being stronger than 1610 is a stupidity. 616 Hulk just as 1610 have been able to brake them. And the only instance where 1610 adamantium has been broken is when used small pieces or broken in places like the spine or a nail (wolverine vs hulk, hulk vs Sabre-tooth). There hasn't been any more instance where it has been broken.
Why does this matter when neither have the strength to break adamantium of any grade?
i was simply reading some stupids coments about 1610 being weaker than 616. Anyway Ultiimate Wolverine's mutation is not just to heal him but to keep him alive so 1610 would win.
Well you haven't made a very convincing case for Ultimate adamantium anyway. There has not yet been a force that is comparable to the forces in the 616 universe that have breached adamantium. Ultimate Hulk has nowhere near the strength feats of 616 Hulk to boot.
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"He doesn't have the feat" yet he has battle with 1610 Thor and overpowered him, while Thor battle Supreme Squadron Hyperion and was shown to be the same as the others Hyperion. Besides that's how Marvel decided to make it not how fans want it to be.
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heck even in their power grids they are really equal.
But your next case for why Ultimate Wolverine wins is just as bad. Standard battle conditions apply here because of a lack of detailed OP. That means Wolverine can simply knock Ultimate Wolverine out for a win. Or he could overpower Ultimate Wolverine so he cannot break free, which also gives him the win.
The dude was broken in half, tanked a beating from Hulk, and it took a nuke to put him down. I really don't see that happening.
616 has very clearly displayed superior fighting ability and decades of showings over Ultimate Wolverine. 616's training has been more clearly fleshed out as well.
1610's memories were deleted to put everysingle way of fighting and killing created in the whole world through story. Fighting skills they are minimum equal easily going to 1610.
Ultimate Wolverine can survive as a head but losing a his body would mean that he cannot continue to fight, so a beheading would be a victory for 616 Wolverine. The same cannot be said for Ultimate Wolverine as Wolverine's limbs cannot be separated from one another. Dracula, Hulk, and many others have failed to pull, rip, or cut 616 Wolverine apart here.
True but that's because 616's bones and their unions are made of metal. While 1610's has still bones that are still not chromed.
Additionally, just because Ultimate Wolverine is unable to be easily killed, does not mean that he can't. Ultimate Magneto killed Ultimate Wolverine just fine. 616 obviously cannot kill Ultimate Wolverine in the same way but the point is that Ultimate Wolverine has a limit to what his healing factor can handle.
Ultimate Magneto is by far more powerful than 616, and Ultimate Wolverine was killed the same way as 616. Heck let's comepare them
616 got nuked and was leaved in a skeleton it took some time to regenerate
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see the difference?
Speaking of healing factors, 616 Wolverine has shown to very clearly have the upper hand here as well. In a matter of days, 616 went through not one, but three separate full body destruction events and came back in fighting shape. 616's tolerance to damage is also seemingly higher. One swipe from Sabretooth took the fight out of Ultimate Wolverine. He literally said he couldn't fight on, while 616 has suffered far more severe wounds and kept fighting. An abdominal wound like the one Ultimate Wolverine suffered would only serve to piss off 616 Wolverine.
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I'll get to the rest of the ways that 616 is superior to Ultimate later. I might as well hold a bit in reserve for your inevitable reply.
do u wanna do a CaV about Wolverine vs Wolverine?
@divell said:
Nice posting of a Hulk fight. It served no purpose in supporting your argument though, unless your point was to pad your post with irrelevancies.
"He doesn't have the feat" yet he has battle with 1610 Thor and overpowered him, while Thor battle Supreme Squadron Hyperion and was shown to be the same as the others Hyperion. Besides that's how Marvel decided to make it not how fans want it to be.
Firstly, that is ABC logic. It doesn't hold up for very obvious reasons. Secondly, Ultimate Thor fighiting Supreme Squadron Hyperion does not mean he is as strong as Hyperion, Lastly, where is it stated that this Hyperion is as powerful as any other version (hint, not all Hyperions have the same level of strength anyway, as seen in Exiles).
heck even in their power grids they are really equal.
Power grids have an incredible limitation in that they only go up to 100 tons. So big deal.
The dude was broken in half, tanked a beating from Hulk, and it took a nuke to put him down. I really don't see that happening.
All these things did happen to Ultimate Wolverine but not all of them were needed at the same time to 'put him down'. Besides, 616 Wolverine has suffered many more full body destruction events and got back to work immediately after healing. You may not see it happening but that doesn't mean it wouldn't. It only means you lack vision or general knowledge of the characters.
1610's memories were deleted to put everysingle way of fighting and killing created in the whole world through story. Fighting skills they are minimum equal easily going to 1610.
Speculation on your part and the feats do not support it. If I recall, the issue only states that Wolverine's memories were deleted to make room for various ways to kill. So while we must agree that Ultimate Wolverine does indeed know how to kill very well, that doesn't automatically put him on par with 616 Wolverine. Besides, knowledge alone does not equal knowledge plus experience. Wolverine has shown that he is indeed a master of h2h and weaponized combat.
True but that's because 616's bones and their unions are made of metal. While 1610's has still bones that are still not chromed.
So we agree on this point. The reason why 616 Wolverine can cut off Ultimate Wolverine's head is pretty irrelevant. The fact remains that he can while the inverse is not true for Ultimate Wolverine.
Ultimate Magneto is by far more powerful than 616, and Ultimate Wolverine was killed the same way as 616. Heck let's comepare them
616 got nuked and was leaved in a skeleton it took some time to regenerate
see the difference?
Ugh, we don't know how much time it took for 616 to regenerate. It never states how much time is needed. What we do know is that when Nitro destroyed his body completely (sans what is protected by adamantium), he was back in fighting shape before Nitro was able to recover and escape. Ultimate Wolverine was put down long enough for Nick Fury to fly in from lord knows where, recover his body, and perform countless tests on it. Additionally, there is absolutely no evidence to support that Ultimate Magneto is superior to 616 Magneto, not that it matters for the purposes of this battle. 616 Magneto carried a mountain under his own power. Ultimate Magneto caused a natural disaster but he used tech to do it (Xavier states that he used a mysterious doomsday device in Ultimatum), or Mjolnir, as the story was pretty unclear in this matter. It was a terrible story either way and doesn't help support Ultimate Magneto in any claims to be equal to 616, who HAS caused Earth-changing events with his power. Also, stop cherry-picking your feats. You took the absolute best example that Ultimate Wolverine has to offer and are pretending his regular feats are equivalent. They aren't.
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No, they don't. Ultimate Wolverine knew he was done when Cyclops blew MOST of his flesh off. It takes no stretch of the imagination that he thought he might as well go for one final kill shot. There is nothing to support the claim that Wolverine could have fought on had Magneto not killed him. Besides, there is no comparison. Wolverine has been present for Hiroshima, burned up in reentry from a space jump, blown up in various different ways from car bombs, to Nitro, to plane crashes that destroyed his entire body and so on. Hell, he even was thrown into a cauldron of molten metal and with no flesh visible, pulled himself from the vat and continued on his way.
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Let's not forget that he had recovered after being thrown into the sun as well. Ultimate Wolverine did finally die in an impressive way but the fact remains that this in no way showed that his healing factor could cope with the damage. There was almost no time between Cyclops' attack and Magneto's final kill stroke to give us enough information on whether or not Wolverine could have lasted. Considering Ultimate Wolverine's other shown limitations regarding his healing factor, I am inclined to say that he would not have survived either way.
do u wanna do a CaV about Wolverine vs Wolverine?
No. Frankly, you're honestly not good enough to offer much of a challenge. Your argument hinges on lowballing 616 Wolverine instead of acknowledging his feats. You also misrepresent his feats as though it were poor feats when they are actually impressive feats. Additionally, you seem to have a complete lack of knowledge on both characters but especially so for 616 Wolverine. 616 has gone through countless full body destruction events and you act as though Ultimate Wolverine's ONE recovery from a nuke is somehow superior, despite the fact that 616 has done that as well and has many more feats to suggest he could do it better. Finally, you overestimate your own character and attempt to present your speculation on the character as though it were fact. These are not qualities of a high-caliber debater.
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