Wolverine vs Taskmaster & Batman

Wolverine

Taskmaster & Batman

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Conditions

• Morals On
• Standard Gear
• Begin 20 feet and are visible
• No jobbing
• Fight ends in a knock out or kill

@wolverine08@jashro44@reaverlation@frozen@dondave@ghostravage

Team.

Wolverine. Starting distance(20 feet) favors his melee combat based style and up close, he's every bit as skilled as Tony and Bruce combined with his vastly superior damage output should net him a majority. He can soak large amounts of gear whereas the team is playing on dangerous ground with one hit equaling death.

Team.

Taskmaster learns moves as he fights with you, so any tricks that Logan throws will be replicated and thrown back. Then you have the Dark Knight that has mastered like all forms of martial arts, coupled with his tactical prowess and gadgets.

It won't be easy, especially with Logan's adamantium, ferocity and healing factor, but since is til' first knockout, and not necessarily til' first death, I think the two martial artists can do it.

@super_buck: You should probably call out Super _ SoldierXII. He'd most likely be interested in this.

Team

Wolverine. Taskmaster is the only viable threat here thanks to his stats and fighting styles. Regardless he still lacks any way to put Logan out of the game easily enough to condone him getting a majority. Batman is in an even worse position than Taskmaster lacking the stats and any means at all to even hurt Logan.

Wolverine takes a solid majority with Taskmaster giving him a decent albeit inconsequential fight.

Logan

The team can win but it depends if Bruce can get off using his gadgets to take down Logan

Wolvie

I don't think he has any gadgets Wolverine couldn't soak. The most effective ones I can think of would be the sonic batarangs he used against the Venom-dogs but sonics aren't anything James couldn't power through.

Team

@juiceboks: Freeze pellets and/or magnets as an example

@strider92: Task doesn't really have incredible stats. He's peak/olympic. Batman by feats, has better physicals.

Tony and Bruce

Team. In a good fight though.

Jmarshmallow

I think James is strong enough to break out of them, and I don't recall Batman keeping his most potent freeze pellets on him as standard. Same thing with magnets..though neither would result in a K.O anyway.

@juiceboks: Bruce does along with an abundance of gadgets and tools (Freaking Hoarder :P)

Lol I've only seen him break them out when fighting Karlo though..and the one's he prepped specifically for him recently weren't all that effective. Hell, Bruce doesn't even always use them against him like when he fought Clayface when he was impersonating a venom amped Joker.

They can keep Wolverine off for while but they still lack a way to keep him down.

@juiceboks: Well you can't expect Bruce to use every single gadget all the time (I believe Bruce didn't have the freeze pellet at the time don't know).And Karlo is basically immune or highly resistant to mainly all of Bruce's equipment. Another reason is that Bruce probably knows how the freeze won't be effective against Clayface.

Logan

I'd go with this.

Not saying he doesn't have freeze pellets on him at most times, it's just kinda silly for me to assume he goes into every random fight with his most potent freeze pellets on hand. New 52 Karlo isn't immune to freeze tech..the one Bruce used just wasn't powerful enough and Clayface broke out of it.

I see your point there though, if regular Karlo could withstand prepped freeze tech then a venom amped one should be just as resistant. Looking back at their fights Bruce did use freezing tech in practically all of them that would've made sense to..

Pretty much this.

@juiceboks: Well if you look at the narrative, it seems Bruce is hoping the discharge would work seeing how everything Bruce has tried has failed. And also Morals on can hinder Bruce more than anyone else here.

But Bruce is the Key player here in that his gadgets allow him to get the win over Logan is Tony can hold out long enough. All I'm saying really is the team has a chance to beat Logan

@deathhero61: No, not really this, at all. That argument doesn't take into account that the distance of the battle favors Wolverine, he's fought multiple high tier martial artists before (Black Dragons), soaks far more damage than the team, and with his substantially higher stabbing damage output, the team can't realistically can't afford to get hit once, and Wolverine WILL hit them.

Could go either way. I can see potential in batman and taskmaster winning but not sure if they have the team work to utilize that potential properly.

This wouldn't be a good idea. Wolverines fighting style incorporates his healing factor. If Taskmaster uses wolverines style its guaranteed he's going to get hit.

Wolverine 9/10.

When Wolverine punches Taskmaster or Batman, his claws will be out and they will die. It is really that simple. They won't be able to avoid getting stabbed. He is too fast, too strong and too skilled. Their armor won't stop it, they don't have healing factor, they don't out skill Logan and with Logan's enhanced physicals I don't think avoidance is an option.

This is a pretty simple one for me. Wolverine has the means to soak the damage while the others do not. Wolverine can end this with a single shot, the others cannot.

ways to attack Logan

his body is still made of at least 50% of water

his brain still can be shaken

intestines/kidney's/pancreas/veins are all exposed

Logan's damage output is not "vastly" superior here. Just plain superior? Perhaps. It's true that due to his blades being much sharper (and made of adamantium), he can stab through flesh more easily, and cut/sever limbs more easily. But that's it. If these three fighters were all attacking a standard punching bag, vastly superior "damage output" would mean that Wolverine can produce a lot more damage to said punching bag in one shot than the other two can produce in one shot, which is just plain false. I don't know about Taskmaster, but I'd say one of Batman's punches/kicks produces nearly as much damage as one of Logan's. Furthermore, using blades or batarangs (standard gear), Bats and Task both can cut ordinary flesh just as easily as Logan can. Their damage output is actually pretty similar, with the difference being that Wolverine's healing factor allows him to recover faster from the damage output that he receives.

Now, if you want to argue that Logan has vastly superior damage per second (DPS), then I might agree with you. Damage output? No.

@omnicrono: Yes, Wolverine's stabbing damage output is superior, and vastly so. To me, damage output is simply how much damage you can inflict on your opponent in comparison to how much damage they can inflict on you. Do you think Bruce or Tony's punches/kicks are going to do much to somebody whom can be punched across multiple countries and stay conscious, get run over by stealth bombers and shake it off, be punched by Spider-Man's physically superior class 30 Kaine and not only have Kaine almost break his hand but go unfazed, can get punched six consecutive times by the second strongest incarnation of Hulk before passing out, can be punched multiple times in the head by a Spider-Man hitting with the force to bust up cars, can get sucker punched by a physically amped Black in Back Spider-Man and just get pissed, can be blindsided with class 100 hits to the face from people like Skaar and stay conscious, etc? In comparison, Tony and Bruce without plot protecting them are going to be one shotted by claws that have three shotted Sabretooth (Someone with a healing factor better than Wolverine's) with three stabs to sensitive areas, has knocked out Grey Hulk by stabbing him through the chest, have staggered Savage Hulk (Whom can heal from losing 90% of his body mass in seconds) with stabs to the neck, etc. Maybe I'm trying to say is that James' damage output is more EFFECTIVE. Granted, the limited effectiveness of the team's damage output on Wolverine can be argued to be due to Wolverine's damage soak (A separate entity from damage output), but I do think it relates to damage output in a way.

@wolverine08: I hear what you're saying, and I know that's what you mean, but the point is - that's not what it means.

"Damage output" is the amount of power/force/damage that can be produced in one attack, from one blow.

Yes, Batman's and Taskmaster's blows will do a LOT of damage to Wolverine, but he will simply recover a LOT quicker from the damage he receives than Bats and Task will from the damage they receive. That's not a matter of damage output, it's a matter of superior recovery from said damage output.

Yes, so Wolverine's damage may be more effective. That is a little more appropriate/accurate.

@omnicrono: Fair enough. I see your point. More effective is probably a better way to go about describing the comparison to Wolverine and the team's respective damage out put.

:)

Team.

Team wins.

Either Taskmaster or Batman should give Logan hell.

Especially Taskmaster.

Wolverine.

Still Team.

Jmarshmallow

Still backing the team here.

Thoughts @super_soldierxii?

Not seeing how the team can K.O James..

@juiceboks: Would acid arrows work? I could see them incapacitating him. Batman's gadgets could also do some miracles.

@beaconofstrength: Acid arrows would only temporarily slow him down given that he has soaked higher degrees of burn damage, and simply saying that Batman's gadgets will work miracles is a vague argument. The vast majority of what Bruce has can and will be soaked by James, and Wolverine in mêlée just won't let Bruce sling out gadgets easily. Come to think of it, nobody here has touched on the fact that the vast majority of what the team has here can be soaked whereas if Wolverine hits either team member, it's game over.

This fight depends largely on what is standard gear for team 2.

I think team 2 can win with a knockout or subduing him. Wolverine has shown that pressure points work on him well when Steve crushed his wrist. Batman knows a number of pressure points, but he'd never be able to pull any of them off 1 on 1, but with Taskmaster's help he should be able to disable Wolverine for a 10 count along with the use of gadgets, etc.

The team could subdue Wolverine with the use of grappling hooks as well, they both have steel cable grappling hooks in their standard gear.

If the build up of damage from gadgets and pressure points builds up, I imagine they could tie him up.

Not necessarily. Wolverine is going to just slice and dice these two characters in character? I don't see it.

What wolverine08 said. There's nothing in Bruce's standard gear that would K.O Wolverine. Even the more potent explosives he keeps would only slow James down.

@slimj87d: Captain America crushed Wolverine's tendons because Wolverine ' s healing factor was taxed at the time. Besides that, he's tanked pressure points numerous times. He even did so while poisoned and in an era where his healing factor was nowhere near what it is today.