Wolverine vs Lizard (movie versions)

Posted by matanui123 (124 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

Version: feats can only be shown from the movies of the characters

Location: at night inside of Empire State University starting inside one of the chemistry rooms ( no boundaries )

To Win: Death, Incapacitation

#1 Posted by dondave (8912 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

@matanui123: Wolverine, cant fdie, but he'll eventually be put down by the Lizard

#2 Posted by mk111 (3062 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

I'm not sure who to go for here...

Lizard was pretty agile, so maybe him.

#3 Edited by Strider92 (11902 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

Wolverine was KO'd by a bullet (twice) and his healing factor also had trouble keeping up with the damage Lady Deathstrike was inflicting in X-men 2. Lizard on the other hand took 8 machine gun clips, shotgun shells while being frozen and still wasn't close to being put down. Not only is the Lizard's healing factor better due to the higher level feats but he is also faster, stronger, more agile and due to Connor's mind more intelligent. Lizard takes it without much trouble.

#4 Posted by laflux (5740 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

Wolverine was KO'd by a bullet (twice) and his healing factor also had trouble keeping up with the damage Lady Deathstrike was inflicting in X-men 2. Lizard on the other hand took 8 machine gun clips, shotgun shells while being frozen and still wasn't close to being put down. Not only is the Lizard's healing factor better due to the higher level feats but he is also faster, stronger, more agile and due to Connor's mind more intelligent. Lizard takes it without much trouble.

#5 Edited by cyborgx (70 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

Wolverine was KO'd by a bullet (twice) and his healing factor also had trouble keeping up with the damage Lady Deathstrike was inflicting in X-men 2. Lizard on the other hand took 8 machine gun clips, shotgun shells while being frozen and still wasn't close to being put down. Not only is the Lizard's healing factor better due to the higher level feats but he is also faster, stronger, more agile and due to Connor's mind more intelligent. Lizard takes it without much trouble.

i was going to say Wolverine but after reading your post im going for lizard lol, in the comics i would say Wolverine(maybe) but from the movie's Wolverine pretty weak. the Lizard was a beast!

#6 Posted by Bo88gdan (4149 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

In movies Wolverine also survived atack from Phoenix Possessed Jean Gray,I dont think lizard would survive that.Wolverine FTW

#7 Posted by texasdeathmatch (12641 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio
@Bo88gdan: Wolverine's got a better healing factor, for sure, but that won't help him from getting KO'd
#8 Posted by ComocYahweh (661 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

Not sure how Wolverine would get knocked out with his adamantium bones, I'm pretty sure the battle will take a while, but Wolverine will be the victor.

#9 Posted by Bo88gdan (4149 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

@texasdeathmatch: In this battle Lizard To Win must kill Wolverine i just dont see how he could do that

#10 Posted by texasdeathmatch (12641 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio
@Bo88gdan: Or incapacitate, which I believe Lizard can do. 

 
To Win: Death, Incapacitation

#11 Posted by Bo88gdan (4149 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

@texasdeathmatch: Maybe

#12 Posted by HulkSlayerT1000 (1066 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

@texasdeathmatch said:

@Bo88gdan: Wolverine's got a better healing factor, for sure, but that won't help him from getting KO'd

Since wolverine has an insane healing factor,the Lizard cant KO him.

#13 Posted by k4tzm4n (31452 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio
@HulkSlayerT1000: Yes he can.  Wolverine has been KO'd a handful of times in the films. For example, Sabretooth knocked him out in the first X-Men movie by striking him with a tree. It won't be an easy feat, but it's absolutely obtainable. 
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#14 Posted by Nefarious (16458 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

I created this battle last year.

#15 Edited by Strider92 (11902 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

@texasdeathmatch said:

@Bo88gdan: Wolverine's got a better healing factor, for sure, but that won't help him from getting KO'd

How does he have a better healing factor? Lady Deathstrike seemed to be bleeding him out pretty well. Lizard on the other hand was being frozen with liquid nitrogen and dismembered by shotgun shells and it hardly phased him.

#16 Posted by k4tzm4n (31452 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio
@Strider92: I imagine Tex is thinking of Wolverine's higher end healing factor feats, like his encounter with Jean Grey at the end of X3.
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#17 Edited by Strider92 (11902 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Even if that were case Phoenix didn't deal a ton of damage either. I mean sure it was far far more than any normal person would take but it was basically just burning off some skin. I see Logan getting shot multiple times in Origin's and recovering quickly as a better healing feat than having some skin burnt off.

#18 Edited by k4tzm4n (31452 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio
@Strider92: I never said I agree with the statement, just saying why I believe he said it. 
 
Also, I think it's downplaying his showing in Last Stand by reducing that to simply "burning some skin off." It went down to the bone in quite a few cases (IIRC), so it was muscle regrowing almost instantaneously. 
 
Regardless, I'd agree in the belief that Lizard's sporting a more effective and consistent healing factor.
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#19 Posted by Strider92 (11902 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Ah ok. I'm in that aggressive debating mood tonight! Everything is a threat!

#20 Posted by Floopay (6007 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: @Strider92:

On the one hand I see your points, and I definitely think Lizard has a very very good chance of pulling the majority here. However, did his formula ever get perfected to the point where he could stay in his Lizard form indefinitely? I remember him taking one last amped up dosage before the end of the film, but every time before that he slowly reverted back to his human form, and I don't think it ever concluded that the final dosage was enough to keep him that way forever. Been awhile since I watched it, but that could be a huge factor in this fight.

On the one hand, we have Sabertooth knocking him out. On the other hand we have Magneto throwing him through trees, Blob knocking him around with him remaining conscious, Jean Grey incinerating him over and over, him jumping out of the plain, Deadpool beating the crap out of him, and there are probably more examples. However, I think Lizard had a faster healing factor and was more powerful all around.

Though Wolverine has almost unlimited cutting ability, which is something to keep in mind.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#21 Posted by k4tzm4n (31452 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio
@Strider92:  COME AT ME BRO DENIED!
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#22 Posted by Pyrogram (13303 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

Wolverine slashes his head off

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#23 Posted by evilvegeta74 (3563 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

@Strider92: Adamantium Bullets, remember that, and even the movie version of Wolverine would kill the Lizard with ease.

#24 Posted by xlab3000 (1171 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

Wolverine would win

#25 Posted by Strider92 (11902 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

@evilvegeta74 said:

@Strider92: Adamantium Bullets, remember that, and even the movie version of Wolverine would kill the Lizard with ease.

Nope. X-men 2 was a normal bullet from a cop's gun and he was KO'd. Sabretooth also KO'd him in X-men 1. How does Wolverine kill Lizard when he's not as durable, fast, strong, agile or smart?

#26 Edited by laflux (5740 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

@Strider92: COME AT ME BRO

#27 Posted by texasdeathmatch (12641 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

Yeah...what K4tz said or whatever.

#28 Posted by AllStarSuperman (3623 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

@Pyrogram said:

Wolverine slashes his head off

@evilvegeta74 said:

@Strider92: Adamantium Bullets, remember that, and even the movie version of Wolverine would kill the Lizard with ease.

@xlab3000 said:

Wolverine would win

#29 Posted by AllStarSuperman (3623 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@evilvegeta74 said:

@Strider92: Adamantium Bullets, remember that, and even the movie version of Wolverine would kill the Lizard with ease.

Nope. X-men 2 was a normal bullet from a cop's gun and he was KO'd. Sabretooth also KO'd him in X-men 1. How does Wolverine kill Lizard when he's not as durable, fast, strong, agile or smart?

That whole bullet that knocked him out in x2 is insane. I'd put it up to bad writing, but if you think bout it that was the same place in the head left by the first bullet so that was a weak spot. And he was a lot tougher in origins and x3

#30 Posted by Shawnbaby (6148 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

Lizard. Stronger, Faster, More consistent Healing feats, more resistant to injury and incapacitation.

#31 Posted by Strider92 (11902 posts) - 5 months, 15 days ago - Show Bio

@AllStarSuperman said:

That whole bullet that knocked him out in x2 is insane. I'd put it up to bad writing, but if you think bout it that was the same place in the head left by the first bullet so that was a weak spot. And he was a lot tougher in origins and x3

Except that storyline hadn't been designed when that happened.

#32 Posted by Obtrusive (1568 posts) - 5 months, 14 days ago - Show Bio

I will defend wolverine. I think being slightly more calm and sane will pay off for him. Lizard was kind of just a mindless beast.

#33 Posted by k4tzm4n (31452 posts) - 5 months, 14 days ago - Show Bio
@Obtrusive said:

I will defend wolverine. I think being slightly more calm and sane will pay off for him. Lizard was kind of just a mindless beast.

A mindless beast that made an explosive in a science lab? ;)
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#34 Posted by Immortal777 (3515 posts) - 5 months, 14 days ago - Show Bio

Lizard FTW

Wolverine liked to try and tank everything and Hugh Jackman couldn't fight for sh!t.

#35 Posted by AllStarSuperman (3623 posts) - 5 months, 14 days ago - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@AllStarSuperman said:

That whole bullet that knocked him out in x2 is insane. I'd put it up to bad writing, but if you think bout it that was the same place in the head left by the first bullet so that was a weak spot. And he was a lot tougher in origins and x3

Except that storyline hadn't been designed when that happened.

But it fits together

#36 Posted by matanui123 (124 posts) - 5 months, 14 days ago - Show Bio

I believe that people are misinterpreting the jean grey feat. She truly loved Logan throughout the film and the director made a point of showcasing it prominently. I believe that she dulled her power down when she saw Logan coming at her because she couldn't bring herself to kill him. There was also a power fluctuation meaning that she could in fact control the amount of damage outputted. Regardless it is still a pretty amazing feat but not quite as amazing as people put it out to be.

#37 Posted by matanui123 (124 posts) - 5 months, 14 days ago - Show Bio

@Nefarious said:

I created this battle last year.

Show the link good sir.

#38 Posted by Nefarious (16458 posts) - 5 months, 14 days ago - Show Bio
#39 Posted by matanui123 (124 posts) - 5 months, 14 days ago - Show Bio

@Nefarious: ...and there it is. If it is bothering anybody I'm sure the mods will dispose of it.

#40 Posted by Nefarious (16458 posts) - 5 months, 14 days ago - Show Bio
@matanui123:  We can keep it open. Sorry to spoil this. 
#41 Edited by Shawnbaby (6148 posts) - 5 months, 14 days ago - Show Bio

@AllStarSuperman said:

@Strider92 said:

@AllStarSuperman said:

That whole bullet that knocked him out in x2 is insane. I'd put it up to bad writing, but if you think bout it that was the same place in the head left by the first bullet so that was a weak spot. And he was a lot tougher in origins and x3

Except that storyline hadn't been designed when that happened.

But it fits together

Not really...Since he was KO'd by a car crash and sabretooth with a tree in X-1.

@matanui123 said:

@Nefarious said:

I created this battle last year.

Show the link good sir.

It's not his responsibility to show proof he made the thread first...it's yours to check to see if it's already been made before you make a duplicate

#42 Posted by evilvegeta74 (3563 posts) - 5 months, 14 days ago - Show Bio

@AllStarSuperman: agreed

#43 Posted by AllStarSuperman (3623 posts) - 5 months, 14 days ago - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@AllStarSuperman said:

@Strider92 said:

@AllStarSuperman said:

That whole bullet that knocked him out in x2 is insane. I'd put it up to bad writing, but if you think bout it that was the same place in the head left by the first bullet so that was a weak spot. And he was a lot tougher in origins and x3

Except that storyline hadn't been designed when that happened.

But it fits together

Not really...Since he was KO'd by a car crash and sabretooth with a tree in X-1.

@matanui123 said:

@Nefarious said:

I created this battle last year.

Show the link good sir.

It's not his responsibility to show proof he made the thread first...it's yours to check to see if it's already been made before you make a duplicate

your just stating his low balling wolverine. what has lizard done that was so durable? he took a bunch of bullets but they hurt him alot. wolverines taken down helicopter, been shot multiple times by machineguns, stabbed by deadpool and hit with lasereyes.idk if lizard could withstand lasereyes that well. yes lizard is stronger but wolerine has been hit by juggernaut so im sure he can take lizard's punches.

#44 Posted by k4tzm4n (31452 posts) - 5 months, 14 days ago - Show Bio

True, Lizard was downed when an entire squad lit him up with assault rifles. However, he was doing just dandy when Captain Stacy fired numerous shotgun rounds into him at point blank range. Despite the cold, his fingers were regrowing at an impressively rapid rate, too. 
 
Does Wolverine have what it takes to bring Lizard down? Absolutely. His adamantium claws and healing factor is bound to make this interesting, regardless of the winner. Do I think he takes a majority? No, I don't. We've seen Wolverine knocked out a handful of times and I believe Lizard's strength (tossed around cars), speed (kept up with Peter) and healing factor (very rapid regen) should definitely make him able to eliminate Wolverine, whether it's by KO or incapacitation.

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#45 Posted by Obtrusive (1568 posts) - 5 months, 14 days ago - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Fair enough.

#46 Posted by Shawnbaby (6148 posts) - 5 months, 14 days ago - Show Bio

@AllStarSuperman said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@AllStarSuperman said:

@Strider92 said:

@AllStarSuperman said:

That whole bullet that knocked him out in x2 is insane. I'd put it up to bad writing, but if you think bout it that was the same place in the head left by the first bullet so that was a weak spot. And he was a lot tougher in origins and x3

Except that storyline hadn't been designed when that happened.

But it fits together

Not really...Since he was KO'd by a car crash and sabretooth with a tree in X-1.

@matanui123 said:

@Nefarious said:

I created this battle last year.

Show the link good sir.

It's not his responsibility to show proof he made the thread first...it's yours to check to see if it's already been made before you make a duplicate

your just stating his low balling wolverine. what has lizard done that was so durable? he took a bunch of bullets but they hurt him alot. wolverines taken down helicopter, been shot multiple times by machineguns, stabbed by deadpool and hit with lasereyes.idk if lizard could withstand lasereyes that well. yes lizard is stronger but wolerine has been hit by juggernaut so im sure he can take lizard's punches.

I'm not low-balling anyone. Those are facts...he was KO'd by a gunshot, a tree, and a car crash. You were trying to make the case that Wolverine only got KO'd by the bullet because it got him in a weakened part of his skull. I was merely pointing out there were other examples of him getting KO'd just as easily or easier that had nothing to do with that.

#47 Posted by matanui123 (124 posts) - 5 months, 14 days ago - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@AllStarSuperman said:

@Strider92 said:

@AllStarSuperman said:

That whole bullet that knocked him out in x2 is insane. I'd put it up to bad writing, but if you think bout it that was the same place in the head left by the first bullet so that was a weak spot. And he was a lot tougher in origins and x3

Except that storyline hadn't been designed when that happened.

But it fits together

Not really...Since he was KO'd by a car crash and sabretooth with a tree in X-1.

@matanui123 said:

@Nefarious said:

I created this battle last year.

Show the link good sir.

It's not his responsibility to show proof he made the thread first...it's yours to check to see if it's already been made before you make a duplicate

#48 Posted by matanui123 (124 posts) - 5 months, 14 days ago - Show Bio

@Nefarious said:

@matanui123: We can keep it open. Sorry to spoil this.

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