#1 Posted by Alexander505 (2144 posts) - - Show Bio

Random encounter. The fight take place in the sewer of New York. Who win?

#2 Posted by SheenLantern (6656 posts) - - Show Bio

Lizard stomps

#3 Edited by micahparadise (490 posts) - - Show Bio

Lizard has this in a bloody battle. He wont be able to kill Logan but the Lizard is stronger than Spiderman and fast as or faster than spiderman. Both kaine and superior spiderman defeat Logan recently so Lizard takes this easily.

#4 Posted by Alexander505 (2144 posts) - - Show Bio

Good point.

Lizard 8/10

#5 Edited by PowerHerc (83782 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine severs all of the Lizards limbs and his tail then cuts his head off before anything can grow back.

#6 Edited by Wolverine08 (42239 posts) - - Show Bio

Logan has taken on beasts like The Lizard before, and dominated. The Wolverine takes this.

#7 Posted by NovaRichRider (327 posts) - - Show Bio

Logan has taken on beasts like The Lizard before, and dominated. The Wolverine takes this.

Lol. I have a feeling Wolverine is going to take every battle he's involved in as far as you're concerned.

#8 Posted by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine severs all of the Lizards limbs and his tail then cuts his head off before anything can grow back.

This

#9 Posted by Wolverine08 (42239 posts) - - Show Bio

@novarichrider:

Yes, Wolverine can beat anybody! He's the best there is! Lol.

#10 Edited by batmannflash (6219 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine in a tough fight

#11 Posted by Wolverine08 (42239 posts) - - Show Bio

@novarichrider:

Also, you should check out a thread I made about People's favorite covers featuring their favorite superheroes. You can post some cool Richard Rider Nova covers.

#12 Posted by micahparadise (490 posts) - - Show Bio

I really dont think Wolverine takes this guys. I know it will be a bloody battle but again my argument is this: Spidey has beaten daken, superior spiderman (otto) has beaten wolverine and Scarlet Spiser (Kaine) has beaten Wolverine. As far as i can remember, everytime Spidey fought Lizard he was always overwhelmed. Lizard still takes this with raw strength and speed and ferocity.

Spidey versus Daken: slammed!

Superior Spidey vs wolverine: Slammed!

Scarlet Spider (Kaine) vs Wolverine: Stabbed!

And this is usually how spideys battles go with the Lizard:

#13 Posted by laflux (15919 posts) - - Show Bio

Can go either way.

#14 Posted by jashro44 (21714 posts) - - Show Bio

If its current Lizard it comes down to wolverines pain tolerance IMO. Current Lizard was blitzing spider-man and the only reason Peter tagged him was because Lizard was distracting. I kind of want to hear what @god_spawn and @super_soldierxii think.

Here is current Lizards showing:

I think it will be hard for each other to drop the other. Lizard is faster and more agile and has his own healing factor where as Lizard could have issues with wolverines own healing factor and adamantium.

#15 Posted by laflux (15919 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

If its current Lizard it comes down to wolverines pain tolerance IMO. Current Lizard was blitzing spider-man and the only reason Peter tagged him was because Lizard was distracting. I kind of want to hear what @god_spawn and @super_soldierxii think.

Here is current Lizards showing:

I think it will be hard for each other to drop the other. Lizard is faster and more agile and has his own healing factor where as Lizard could have issues with wolverines own healing factor and adamantium.

I was actually thinking of doing a CaV with one of them on this....

#16 Posted by God_Spawn (37883 posts) - - Show Bio

@micahparadise: Daken is less durable than Wolverine and he bested him using the environment. If you want to use that fight as a reference, Daken had chances to kill Spider-Man but instead he retracted his claws and used blunt strikes instead of the claws. Also quoting Superior Spider-Man doesn't do your argument any better. The fact Otto was capable of beating Wolverine when Parker himself has failed at KOing Wolverine, despite hitting him with his best shots over and over, doesn't make the feat legit and is a considerable low showing. Especially when you want to try and mix it with Kaine's fight with Logan and not only does Kaine have the Other enhancing his already impressive physical abilities, he himself admitted he couldn't keep Wolverine down through physical force and almost broke his hand punching his skull. He only took him out by slicing his heart in two pieces and the Lizard doesn't have a foot long stinger that is also filled with enough poison to drop a 30 tonner character. And since both were written by Yost, take your pick of which one you want to use, but the 2nd fight is sure a lot better and more consistent with things.

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#17 Posted by Wolverine08 (42239 posts) - - Show Bio

@micahparadise: Daken is less durable than Wolverine and he bested him using the environment. If you want to use that fight as a reference, Daken had chances to kill Spider-Man but instead he retracted his claws and used blunt strikes instead of the claws. Also quoting Superior Spider-Man doesn't do your argument any better. The fact Otto was capable of beating Wolverine when Parker himself has failed at KOing Wolverine, despite hitting him with his best shots over and over, doesn't make the feat legit and is a considerable low showing. Especially when you want to try and mix it with Kaine's fight with Logan and not only does Kaine have the Other enhancing his already impressive physical abilities, he himself admitted he couldn't keep Wolverine down through physical force and almost broke his hand punching his skull. He only took him out by slicing his heart in two pieces and the Lizard doesn't have a foot long stinger that is also filled with enough poison to drop a 30 tonner character. And since both were written by Yost, take your pick of which one you want to use, but the 2nd fight is sure a lot better and more consistent with things.

THIS. Damn, you're like a Wolverine encyclopedia!

#18 Posted by God_Spawn (37883 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: I honestly only think Wolverine would walk away with a minute majority if he falls back on his skill and that would be something after the general thrashing he would receive and potentially dish out. Reason being the only way Logan generally bests people statistically higher than him is his skill, damage soak, and damage output. But when he falls back on the former, it just supplements his stats and allows him to get hits he normally not get off or as many. Case and point his fights with the likes of Gorgon, Kaine, Spider-Man, and Sabretooth etc. Sabretooth used to thrash Logan and once Wolverine started relying on MA abilities and teachings, Creed became a non factor. Spider-Man wasn't always the greatest fighter and despite his physical advantage, Logan kept up due to superior combat skill to supplement his speed. Wolverine vs the Gorgon. Tomi was kicking the crap out of Logan, but Logan was still able to pull out some solid shots, but Gorgon was also faster, stronger (albeit a slim margin), but he also had telepathy, and was virtually more skilled than Logan given that Wolverine said it was useless trying to match skill with him. He only won when Gorgon got cocky and tried to use his stone gaze, but Logan was smart and used the metal surface of his claws to reflect the light back. Kaine is even more physically dominant than Parker and has his own solid skill feats due to his ability to use his statistics in a proper manner to where he can battle teams of highly trained assassins consisting of someone as strong as he is, someone faster, someone with loads of weapons etc, and since giving into the Other and his battle with Logan, he was stronger and faster than Wolverine. But he did also did mention Logan was quite fast himself and he almost disemboweled him in the first second of the fight, but also to be fair, Logan got the shot on Kaine's face with what seemed like a grazing blow considering in the following issue, Jean did tell Logan to play along with the fight so he wasn't exactly trying to kill Kaine either, but given Kaine's dialogue, he was probably surprised by how Logan was doing due to his durability and ferocity.

Anyways, despite all these guys being physically different, they all share the fact they outclass Logan in virtually all aspects or most with him having an edge in something like skill save for the Gorgon. The lizard outclasses Logan by a considerable margin, but he lacks the skill Logan does and I would go on and say Logan has a better damage soak. If he comes into this going hail Mary and just swinging away he will lose. Lizard has attacks that range from a decently high grade of blunt force damage due to him being stronger and faster than Spider-Man,(although Logan can tank more than his strength level), but he also has ways to do considerable piercing damage given his claws and teeth. Lizard isn't exactly bringing something into this fight Logan hasn't dealt with. But the problem it is all rolled into one package. So while the fight will definitely be brutal and long, Logan can't come in going "derp, derp *slash, tank*" or being on his high horse and not willing to kill people (dammit Humphries!) because he will be screwed. Lizard could get him in a position like holding him with his tail by the neck or arms and gnaw on his head will disemboweling the hairy midget. He has the repertoire and tools to do some massive damage. So Logan needs to come into this knowing he is outclassed and that he can't afford to screw up and has to go for broke and use his willingness to kill. Lizard and him will have a long drawn out battle, but unless he does something like stab him in the heart and twist the claws for extra slushiness or go for the brain, he is in trouble. He needs to use his skill edge and dance a bit, show some o dat footwork. He can't treat this guy like a brick and tank a punch and slash. He can do that but he needs to make his shots count.

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#19 Edited by laflux (15919 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: I honestly only think Wolverine would walk away with a minute majority if he falls back on his skill and that would be something after the general thrashing he would receive and potentially dish out. Reason being the only way Logan generally bests people statistically higher than him is his skill, damage soak, and damage output. But when he falls back on the former, it just supplements his stats and allows him to get hits he normally not get off or as many. Case and point his fights with the likes of Gorgon, Kaine, Spider-Man, and Sabretooth etc. Sabretooth used to thrash Logan and once Wolverine started relying on MA abilities and teachings, Creed became a non factor. Spider-Man wasn't always the greatest fighter and despite his physical advantage, Logan kept up due to superior combat skill to supplement his speed. Wolverine vs the Gorgon. Tomi was kicking the crap out of Logan, but Logan was still able to pull out some solid shots, but Gorgon was also faster, stronger (albeit a slim margin), but he also had telepathy, and was virtually more skilled than Logan given that Wolverine said it was useless trying to match skill with him. He only won when Gorgon got cocky and tried to use his stone gaze, but Logan was smart and used the metal surface of his claws to reflect the light back. Kaine is even more physically dominant than Parker and has his own solid skill feats due to his ability to use his statistics in a proper manner to where he can battle teams of highly trained assassins consisting of someone as strong as he is, someone faster, someone with loads of weapons etc, and since giving into the Other and his battle with Logan, he was stronger and faster than Wolverine. But he did also did mention Logan was quite fast himself and he almost disemboweled him in the first second of the fight, but also to be fair, Logan got the shot on Kaine's face with what seemed like a grazing blow considering in the following issue, Jean did tell Logan to play along with the fight so he wasn't exactly trying to kill Kaine either, but given Kaine's dialogue, he was probably surprised by how Logan was doing due to his durability and ferocity.

Anyways, despite all these guys being physically different, they all share the fact they outclass Logan in virtually all aspects or most with him having an edge in something like skill save for the Gorgon. The lizard outclasses Logan by a considerable margin, but he lacks the skill Logan does and I would go on and say Logan has a better damage soak. If he comes into this going hail Mary and just swinging away he will lose. Lizard has attacks that range from a decently high grade of blunt force damage due to him being stronger and faster than Spider-Man,(although Logan can tank more than his strength level), but he also has ways to do considerable piercing damage given his claws and teeth. Lizard isn't exactly bringing something into this fight Logan hasn't dealt with. But the problem it is all rolled into one package. So while the fight will definitely be brutal and long, Logan can't come in going "derp, derp *slash, tank*" or being on his high horse and not willing to kill people (dammit Humphries!) because he will be screwed. Lizard could get him in a position like holding him with his tail by the neck or arms and gnaw on his head will disemboweling the hairy midget. He has the repertoire and tools to do some massive damage. So Logan needs to come into this knowing he is outclassed and that he can't afford to screw up and has to go for broke and use his willingness to kill. Lizard and him will have a long drawn out battle, but unless he does something like stab him in the heart and twist the claws for extra slushiness or go for the brain, he is in trouble. He needs to use his skill edge and dance a bit, show some o dat footwork. He can't treat this guy like a brick and tank a punch and slash. He can do that but he needs to make his shots count.

Credit where credit is due. That was good........

#20 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

Backing Wolverine due to Admantium Claws and Skeleton that cannot be ripped apart. Same cannot be said of Lizards head.

#21 Posted by jashro44 (21714 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: I honestly only think Wolverine would walk away with a minute majority if he falls back on his skill and that would be something after the general thrashing he would receive and potentially dish out. Reason being the only way Logan generally bests people statistically higher than him is his skill, damage soak, and damage output. But when he falls back on the former, it just supplements his stats and allows him to get hits he normally not get off or as many. Case and point his fights with the likes of Gorgon, Kaine, Spider-Man, and Sabretooth etc. Sabretooth used to thrash Logan and once Wolverine started relying on MA abilities and teachings, Creed became a non factor. Spider-Man wasn't always the greatest fighter and despite his physical advantage, Logan kept up due to superior combat skill to supplement his speed. Wolverine vs the Gorgon. Tomi was kicking the crap out of Logan, but Logan was still able to pull out some solid shots, but Gorgon was also faster, stronger (albeit a slim margin), but he also had telepathy, and was virtually more skilled than Logan given that Wolverine said it was useless trying to match skill with him. He only won when Gorgon got cocky and tried to use his stone gaze, but Logan was smart and used the metal surface of his claws to reflect the light back. Kaine is even more physically dominant than Parker and has his own solid skill feats due to his ability to use his statistics in a proper manner to where he can battle teams of highly trained assassins consisting of someone as strong as he is, someone faster, someone with loads of weapons etc, and since giving into the Other and his battle with Logan, he was stronger and faster than Wolverine. But he did also did mention Logan was quite fast himself and he almost disemboweled him in the first second of the fight, but also to be fair, Logan got the shot on Kaine's face with what seemed like a grazing blow considering in the following issue, Jean did tell Logan to play along with the fight so he wasn't exactly trying to kill Kaine either, but given Kaine's dialogue, he was probably surprised by how Logan was doing due to his durability and ferocity.

Anyways, despite all these guys being physically different, they all share the fact they outclass Logan in virtually all aspects or most with him having an edge in something like skill save for the Gorgon. The lizard outclasses Logan by a considerable margin, but he lacks the skill Logan does and I would go on and say Logan has a better damage soak. If he comes into this going hail Mary and just swinging away he will lose. Lizard has attacks that range from a decently high grade of blunt force damage due to him being stronger and faster than Spider-Man,(although Logan can tank more than his strength level), but he also has ways to do considerable piercing damage given his claws and teeth. Lizard isn't exactly bringing something into this fight Logan hasn't dealt with. But the problem it is all rolled into one package. So while the fight will definitely be brutal and long, Logan can't come in going "derp, derp *slash, tank*" or being on his high horse and not willing to kill people (dammit Humphries!) because he will be screwed. Lizard could get him in a position like holding him with his tail by the neck or arms and gnaw on his head will disemboweling the hairy midget. He has the repertoire and tools to do some massive damage. So Logan needs to come into this knowing he is outclassed and that he can't afford to screw up and has to go for broke and use his willingness to kill. Lizard and him will have a long drawn out battle, but unless he does something like stab him in the heart and twist the claws for extra slushiness or go for the brain, he is in trouble. He needs to use his skill edge and dance a bit, show some o dat footwork. He can't treat this guy like a brick and tank a punch and slash. He can do that but he needs to make his shots count.

Nice. I think I can agree with this.

#22 Edited by laflux (15919 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

@micahparadise: Daken is less durable than Wolverine and he bested him using the environment. If you want to use that fight as a reference, Daken had chances to kill Spider-Man but instead he retracted his claws and used blunt strikes instead of the claws. Also quoting Superior Spider-Man doesn't do your argument any better. The fact Otto was capable of beating Wolverine when Parker himself has failed at KOing Wolverine, despite hitting him with his best shots over and over, doesn't make the feat legit and is a considerable low showing. Especially when you want to try and mix it with Kaine's fight with Logan and not only does Kaine have the Other enhancing his already impressive physical abilities, he himself admitted he couldn't keep Wolverine down through physical force and almost broke his hand punching his skull. He only took him out by slicing his heart in two pieces and the Lizard doesn't have a foot long stinger that is also filled with enough poison to drop a 30 tonner character. And since both were written by Yost, take your pick of which one you want to use, but the 2nd fight is sure a lot better and more consistent with things.

THIS. Damn, you're like a Wolverine encyclopedia!

Well personally I think @super_soldierxii is better, but I think Punk needs his ego stroked a bit after having Bryan ambush him #Inside Joke.

#23 Posted by Zijuun (854 posts) - - Show Bio

Lizard takes this 8/10 unless Logan can put his adamantium claws to good use. Lizard is faster, stronger and more intelligent than Wolverine and has been a good match for Spiderman in the past.

Zijuun.

#24 Edited by dondave (37410 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

If its current Lizard it comes down to wolverines pain tolerance IMO. Current Lizard was blitzing spider-man and the only reason Peter tagged him was because Lizard was distracting. I kind of want to hear what @god_spawn and @super_soldierxii think.

Here is current Lizards showing:

I think it will be hard for each other to drop the other. Lizard is faster and more agile and has his own healing factor where as Lizard could have issues with wolverines own healing factor and adamantium.

#25 Posted by Chibio (920 posts) - - Show Bio

The fact Otto was capable of beating Wolverine when Parker himself has failed at KOing Wolverine, despite hitting him with his best shots over and over, doesn't make the feat legit and is a considerable low showing.

To be honest with you, I would personally fall more for Spider-Otto knocking out Wolverine Than Spider-Man not being able to knock him out, even though he punched him again and again in the face. We saw what Hulk did to him during the WW run. He KOed him by punching his head again and again and it looked like Wolverine was out (useless) after the first 1-2 punches. You don't need Hulk's level of strenght to do something like that to Wolverine's brain. His adamantium can't even absorb the impact for such an effect.
Spider-Man should have been able to knock him out cold with the sheer amount of punches he threw at Wolverine, combined with his speed and also his 7 tons strenght level. But it was more of an enforced showcase of Spider-Mans helplessness against Wolverine, which was only there for the particular moment. At least in my opinion.

With all that being said I think it would be a competetive battle against Lizard, especially if Lizard doesn't think straight up and goes into a feral state to brawl it out. I can see him causing heavy damage to Wolverine and maaaybe knocking him out if he concentrates on the head, but he would more likely just keep using his claws and that would be his downfall, since Wolverine would stay long enough in the fight to cut Lizard apart. So Wolverine 8/10!

#26 Edited by Diamondlifer1 (128 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine Ftw, pretty tough battle but nothing Wolverine cant handle

#27 Posted by New_World_Order (13189 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine.

#28 Edited by micahparadise (490 posts) - - Show Bio

Great argument @god_spawn but i still think Lizard can win this even if its ever so slightly :) and awesome argument as well @laflux. And @zijuun im with you on this. :)

#29 Posted by XiiX (8255 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine.

#30 Posted by acer51 (2236 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine is way smarter then Lizard, because of that I think he could win.

#31 Posted by Stompa (1277 posts) - - Show Bio

I think for wolverine fighting the lizard it would be like fighting amped up broods and we all know how that went for the brood.

#32 Posted by sync1 (2967 posts) - - Show Bio

Lizard

#33 Posted by MadnessFall (150 posts) - - Show Bio

Lizard

#34 Edited by ThorAlmighty (59 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine has won a couple of battles with Hulk..Wolverine can beat Rhino, Rhino can beat Lizard, except maybe current Lizard...Hulk smashes Rhino and lizard.

Enough of ABC now, here is the fight:

Wolverine and Lizard would charge, Lizard Springs up and swings his tail, wolverine uses one hand's claws to chop the tail off, and the other he cuts Lizard's leg, Lizard falls to the ground traumatised, Wolverine rushes to Lizard before he regrows his limbs and decapitates him, proceeding to slice him up into Lizard sushi and has his lunch.

Whether Wolvy was angry or not, the outcome would be the same each time.

#35 Posted by Visemoon (396 posts) - - Show Bio

@thoralmighty:

I don't think Wolverine has ever beaten Hulk under normal conditions

#36 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (5585 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine has my vote.

#37 Posted by Hyperlight (5827 posts) - - Show Bio

wolvie

#38 Edited by dcandmarvel (557 posts) - - Show Bio

Lizard stomps he is better (by far) in every physical aspect and his Regen is just as good as Wolvie's

#39 Posted by i_like_swords (14363 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, Wolverine can beat anybody! He's the best there is! Lol.

Ah.. so this is where the seeds were planted....

#40 Edited by Cyberzombie_Hatchetman (283 posts) - - Show Bio

Logan is way more durable than Spider-Man and can tank hits from Lizard that Parker couldn't. Logan could hang with Lizard in melee where Parker would have to keep his distance and use hit and run or ranged tactics. Parker is no where near Logan in the fighting skills department, as Parker does have skill but relies heavily on his physicals in combat. This would be a completely different fight than the fights Lizard has had with Spider-Man.

Although Wolverine is weaker and slower, his claws combined with his skill give Logan the offensive advantage in close quarters where both of these guys do all their fighting. Lizard is way stronger, but Wolverine can take those hits and counter-attack. He doesn't have to be on all out defence. Logan's claws and skill allow him to attack more precisely, delivering attacks designed to disable and then deliver a devastating blow afterwards. Lizard's physical advantages are impressive, but are still not enough to counter what Wolverine brings to the table.

#41 Posted by laflux (15919 posts) - - Show Bio

Can go either way

#42 Posted by Young_Murloc (687 posts) - - Show Bio

Lizard

#43 Posted by Experio (16000 posts) - - Show Bio

Tough call.