The clash of the long time rivals, but with a twist. They can only use their Martial arts skills. Cyclops doesn't have his visor, optic blasts or Muramasa blade. Wolverine doesn't have his Claws, berserker rage, healing factor and superior senses and reflexes.
I'll go for Logan based solely on the fact he's had decades more experience, but the turning point could be if Logan goes feral and stops thinking during the bout which would give Scott a huge advantage imho.
logan better and longer training , he learned from mater in japan where as cyke learned in us and one thing is for certian you wanna leanr martial arts well you learn in asia
if logan was just trying to bully cyke and was injured at the time and slowed down i could see cyke just judo tossing him or judo flipping him for a while but then what? what happens when logan starts taking it serious and considers cyke a threat?
"if logan was just trying to bully cyke and was injured at the time and slowed down i could see cyke just judo tossing him or judo flipping him for a while but then what? what happens when logan starts taking it serious and considers cyke a threat?
logan would one hit kill him. "
most people know logan is a superior combatant than cyke, i feel some resentment from your last statment here, lol
" @Love: FYI Cyclops was never involved with the muramasa blade "
logan gave him his sword for save keeping and to be used on him if he ever was brain washed again...
@capall said:
" @castleking said:
"if logan was just trying to bully cyke and was injured at the time and slowed down i could see cyke just judo tossing him or judo flipping him for a while but then what? what happens when logan starts taking it serious and considers cyke a threat?
logan would one hit kill him. "
most people know logan is a superior combatant than cyke, i feel some resentment from your last statment here, lol "
no resentment its the truth,,,,,,,,,,, logan could just as easily decapitate cyclops with a kick or punch or one hand snap cykes neck
" Scott stands NO chance in a hand to hand with Wolverine. Next you could say he could go hand to hand against Cap, Daredevil, or Black Panther. "
I wouldn't say "no chance", but I agree that Logan's got far more experience and training under his belt. The only problem I can see Logan having is if he gets careless and goes feral. Scott's got a shot, but he needs to keep Logan's head out of the game to win it. All in all I say Logan takes a solid majority at least in this scenario, however.
i think the guy thinks this fight will be a point fight rather then ko, kill fight.... only way i see how he could think tripping and judo tossing can be somehow construed as a win.
"Scott stands NO chance in a hand to hand with Wolverine. Next you could say he could go hand to hand against Cap, Daredevil, or Black Panther. "
Which is why that Cyclops has consistently beaten Logan in hand to hand throughout his career. Yup. "
Which once again shows how far up their butts some writers have their heads. That is just bad writing. How long you think Scott could go with Bruce Wayne, Slade Wilson, Steve Rogers or T'Challa? Not long at all right? But you accept he could really fight Logan? You think that's air you breathing Neo?
"Scott stands NO chance in a hand to hand with Wolverine. Next you could say he could go hand to hand against Cap, Daredevil, or Black Panther. "
Which is why that Cyclops has consistently beaten Logan in hand to hand throughout his career. Yup. "
Which once again shows how far up their butts some writers have their heads. That is just bad writing. How long you think Scott could go with Bruce Wayne, Slade Wilson, Steve Rogers or T'Challa? Not long at all right? But you accept he could really fight Logan? You think that's air you breathing Neo? "
Let's see... You 're comparing me thinking that Cyclops would beat Logan (again), someone who he has trained with for over ten years, someone who's fighting style he has totally memorized, someone that he knows better then Wolverine knows himself... To a list of other skilled fighters...
Do you get a good view of your bowels from having your head so far up your @ss?
" I'll go for Logan based solely on the fact he's had decades more experience, but the turning point could be if Logan goes feral and stops thinking during the bout which would give Scott a huge advantage imho. "
If Wolvie goes animal here wont his powers come back? They are two different entities and the OP only restricted Logan's powers, not the animal's.
1st off cyke doesnt know logan better trhen he knows himself....2nd cyke sure as hell doesnt have all of logan's fighting styles memorized not even a fraction of it.......training with someone who holds back because its training doesnt mean he can beat him in actual combat......
cyke doesnt even have the physical stats to compete with logan in any area...
"I know cyclops is very strong and is supposed to be some kind of great hand to hand, but wolverine is better. "
Wolverine is better trained, but Cyclops still beats him. @Porlos said:
" @Ultimate Joker said:
" I'll go for Logan based solely on the fact he's had decades more experience, but the turning point could be if Logan goes feral and stops thinking during the bout which would give Scott a huge advantage imho. "
If Wolvie goes animal here wont his powers come back? They are two different entities and the OP only restricted Logan's powers, not the animal's. "
" I'll go for Logan based solely on the fact he's had decades more experience, but the turning point could be if Logan goes feral and stops thinking during the bout which would give Scott a huge advantage imho. "
If Wolvie goes animal here wont his powers come back? They are two different entities and the OP only restricted Logan's powers, not the animal's. "
Uh, no, his powers won't come back. I don't know where you got that idea from. A guy (like Logan) can still get highly PO'ed and get animalistic, but his powers are TOTALLY turned off in this fight.
"I know cyclops is very strong and is supposed to be some kind of great hand to hand, but wolverine is better. "
Wolverine is better trained, but Cyclops still beats him. @Porlos said:
" @Ultimate Joker said:
" I'll go for Logan based solely on the fact he's had decades more experience, but the turning point could be if Logan goes feral and stops thinking during the bout which would give Scott a huge advantage imho. "
If Wolvie goes animal here wont his powers come back? They are two different entities and the OP only restricted Logan's powers, not the animal's. "
GFTO with that sh!t. "
What do you mean? I've seen him go animal and he isnt Wolverine anymore. You gonna dispute that?
" I'll go for Logan based solely on the fact he's had decades more experience, but the turning point could be if Logan goes feral and stops thinking during the bout which would give Scott a huge advantage imho. "
If Wolvie goes animal here wont his powers come back? They are two different entities and the OP only restricted Logan's powers, not the animal's. "
@Porlos: There is not two entities inside Wolverine's mind. He's not like the Incredible Hulk. You have yet to prove you know anything about comic books, animals, or medicine for that matter.
@Son_of_Magnus: He revealed himself ages ago. I'm just waiting for the ban to catch up now.
" @Porlos: There is not two entities inside Wolverine's mind. He's not like the Incredible Hulk. You have yet to prove you know anything about comic books, animals, or medicine for that matter.
Wrong. Read the scans, it says the man known as logan is gone leaving behind a brute with no name. Plus his physical appearance is even different. Look at the hair growing out of his arms. That ain't Wolverine anymore, that is the animal...
@Porlos: Way to back yourself up with PIS and hyperbole.
Going berserk isn't something reserved for Wolverine. Viking warriors would slip into the same kind of blood lust in battle. Did they all have two entities in their mind? No.
" @Porlos: There is not two entities inside Wolverine's mind. He's not like the Incredible Hulk. You have yet to prove you know anything about comic books, animals, or medicine for that matter.
Wrong. Read the scans, it says the man known as logan is gone leaving behind a brute with no name. Plus his physical appearance is even different. Look at the hair growing out of his arms. That ain't Wolverine anymore, that is the animal... "
Who gives a rat's behind what state of mind he's in? His DNA has been re-written for this fight so he has no X-gene, he has no powers, he has no adamantium skeleton, he has nothing but human abilities and his personality and skill.
" I'll go for Logan based solely on the fact he's had decades more experience, but the turning point could be if Logan goes feral and stops thinking during the bout which would give Scott a huge advantage imho. "
If Wolvie goes animal here wont his powers come back? They are two different entities and the OP only restricted Logan's powers, not the animal's. "
" The clash of the long time rivals, but with a twist. They can only use their Martial arts skills. Cyclops doesn't have his visor, optic blasts or Muramasa blade. Wolverine doesn't have his Claws, berserker rage and healing factor. Who wins? "
nothing about DNA or anything else like hyperreflexes, speed burst, enhanced strength, durability , dense bones............. at their best in h2h cyclops wouldnt be able to lay a hand on logan....
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