#1 Posted by John Valentine (16307 posts) - - Show Bio

The fight takes place within the ruins of the old X-Mansion at Westchester, at dawn.

Both Wolverine and Cyclops are of their current 616-incarnations, and both are engaged in a fight to the death.

Note: The weather is varied and liable to change, there are no other people around to harm, and Cyclops is not in possession of the Muramasa blade.

Who wins and why?

Give your reasoning.

Cyclops.
vs.
Wolverine.
#2 Posted by oldmagic (5295 posts) - - Show Bio

this already been done. 

#3 Posted by John Valentine (16307 posts) - - Show Bio
oldmagic said:
"this already been done. "

Where?
#4 Posted by blade hunter (1813 posts) - - Show Bio

wolverine, cyk will struggel to beat wolverine in a open space

#5 Posted by John Valentine (16307 posts) - - Show Bio
blade hunter said:
"wolverine, cyk will struggel to beat wolverine in a open space"
He doesn't have to fight him in an open space, as he could use the ruins.
#6 Posted by Oluf_Von_Host_Museum (84678 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyclops can defeat Wolverine with or without the Adamantium skeleton. He's done it before (check the scans in the other wolverine vs Cyclops thread)

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#7 Posted by blade hunter (1813 posts) - - Show Bio
John Valentine said:
"blade hunter said:
"wolverine, cyk will struggel to beat wolverine in a open space"
He doesn't have to fight him in an open space, as he could use the ruins."

he could but im still sticking with wolverine but in an enclosed space it  could go eaither way
#8 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio
Gambler said:
"Cyclops can defeat Wolverine with or without the Adamantium skeleton. He's done it before (check the scans in the other wolverine vs Cyclops thread)"
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#9 Posted by John Valentine (16307 posts) - - Show Bio
blade hunter said:
"John Valentine said:
"blade hunter said:
"wolverine, cyk will struggel to beat wolverine in a open space"
He doesn't have to fight him in an open space, as he could use the ruins."

he could but im still sticking with wolverine but in an enclosed space it  could go eaither way"
Why? What does Logan have as an advantage in the open space that he wouldn't in an enclosed space?
#10 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

i'd give Cyclops about 60% chance of winning.

#11 Posted by oldmagic (5295 posts) - - Show Bio
John Valentine said:
"blade hunter said:
"John Valentine said:
"blade hunter said:
"wolverine, cyk will struggel to beat wolverine in a open space"
He doesn't have to fight him in an open space, as he could use the ruins."

he could but im still sticking with wolverine but in an enclosed space it  could go eaither way"
Why? What does Logan have as an advantage in the open space that he wouldn't in an enclosed space?"
Agility 
#12 Posted by John Valentine (16307 posts) - - Show Bio
oldmagic said:
"John Valentine said:
"blade hunter said:
"John Valentine said:
"blade hunter said:
"wolverine, cyk will struggel to beat wolverine in a open space"
He doesn't have to fight him in an open space, as he could use the ruins."

he could but im still sticking with wolverine but in an enclosed space it  could go eaither way"
Why? What does Logan have as an advantage in the open space that he wouldn't in an enclosed space?"
Agility "
.. ignoring the fact that Cyclops is quick and accurate enough to hit him in the knee and slow him down for a finishing shot .........
#13 Posted by RANDOMM (474 posts) - - Show Bio
John Valentine said:
"oldmagic said:
"John Valentine said:
"blade hunter said:
"John Valentine said:
"blade hunter said:
"wolverine, cyk will struggel to beat wolverine in a open space"
He doesn't have to fight him in an open space, as he could use the ruins."

he could but im still sticking with wolverine but in an enclosed space it  could go eaither way"
Why? What does Logan have as an advantage in the open space that he wouldn't in an enclosed space?"
Agility "
.. ignoring the fact that Cyclops is quick and accurate enough to hit him in the knee and slow him down for a finishing shot ........."
Ignoring the fact that ruins aren't an empty room where you can see your opponent in...
#14 Posted by time (4970 posts) - - Show Bio

are people forgeting  wolverine can heal and cylops can't. so if it was to death logan will win for sure.

#15 Edited by castleking (24119 posts) - - Show Bio

Touche ... wolvester wins due to faulty set up..  :)
havent they changed his healing and his chance of dying?
i still go for logan.. because of the ruin set up ability to sneak up without noise

#16 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

Gambler, please post that scan where Cyclops cleared that forested area with a blast.  That way, these people will hopefully  stop thinking of Wolverine as some sort of unstoppable God, and more like the hairy man with fingernails that he is. 

time said:

"are people forgeting  wolverine can heal and cylops can't. so if it was to death logan will win for sure."
He can't win if Cyclops knocks his ass out with one blast.  What is it about healing factors that get people confused?  So, am I to assume that because Wolverine can heal, he can go toe to toe with Magneto and win with his metal fingernails?  Enough already.  Wolverine's healing factor means he accelerates in healing, but it doesn't mean he wakes up from a deep, deep, deep, ruby-laser beam induced sleep. 
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Adamantium skeleton or not Wolverine is going down.


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Forgot the other scan that went with the forest clearing one. lol
#20 Posted by Fresh Prince (5110 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyke

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There some scans to help show his accuracy with his blasts. I have more scans showing that Cyke is no slouch in hand to hand as well.
#22 Posted by Gameru_Cold (2 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyclops is the winner of this battle. He kicked Wolverine's a*s many times in the comics, and also defeated some powerful enemies as well as a couple of the X-Men. His optic blasts are unstoppable  if he uses them at full power and with nothing to hold him back. Like the time he destroyed Apocalypse. Or that time he put a hole throw Onslaught. Or that time he teared off Hulk's skin.( And if he had taken off his visor that time i think he could have knocked the Hulk out). And how about the times he knocked the Juggernaut back. And remember the Hulk and The Juggernaut Are The Strongest Characters of Marvel.( I think the Hulk is the Strongest ). Ignore the 3 lame X-Men movies and the upcoming Wolverine one and read the comics to convince yourself that Cyclops Is the Winner Of This Battle.

#23 Posted by numba1assassin (83 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyclops has beaten wolverine so many times over that i wonder why people even try defending wolverine anymore. I understand that he may be your favorite x-men, but you have to accept his weaknesses and the fact that there are many x-men that can kill him. Especially Cyclops.

Cyclops is a master strategist, almost to the point that it should be noted as a mutant power. But lets start out by pointing out Wolverines weakness:

Yes Wolverine has Adamantium bones, but he still has regular cartilage, tendons and ligaments. In age of apocalypse cyclops shot off wolverines hand. Many say that it was at the joint; well then that is the KEY. Wolverines entire body is full of joints, especially his SPINE, and the cartilage in between his vertebrae. If they were adamantium, then wolverine wouldn't be able to move, the fact that he can move at all is proof that in between his vertebrae are regular cartilage disks.

With regular cartilage disks, Wolverine can be decapitated, torn in half, ripped apart, burned to death. Even enough blunt force can cause limbs to be impacted off of a human body by the joints. Any mutant that can concentrate a force to any joint can decapitate Wolverine, and Cyclops can do this from any range, with pinpoint accuracy. That fact that no-one has done it before goes to show that Wolverine's greatest mutant power is luck. WOLVERINE IS ONE LUCKY BASTARD.

The battle begins by Wolverine lunging with full force at Cyclops. Or maybe Wolverine lunging in a different direction to avoid a blast; but to no avail. Cyclops at the same time unleashes a strong optic blast the length and width of a football field. This catches wolverine regardless of the direction that wolverine jumps, and puts him to the ground. once on the ground, Cyclops immediatly directs pinpointed optic blasts at wolverines legs (knees or hips) severing them from his body. Wolverine now legless attempts to move with his hands but cyclops shoots off wolverine's arms (at the elbow or shoulder). Now with no arms or legs, cyclops watches Wolverine beg for his life as his body heals up the holes where his arms and legs used to be. Cyclops then shoots Wolverine in the neck decapitating his head at the 3rd vertebrae. Wolverine is now dead, but Cyclops decides to claim Wolverines bones as trophies so he flays wolverines remaining flesh from his bones.

Whatever scenerio that you would like to use, cyclops wins by decapitating Wolverine at the 3rd vetebrae (or the 2nd, or 4th).

Cyclops can outsmart wolverine no matter which tactic that Wolverine decides to employ. This can be proven by the scans found on this forum, and additional that i can provide if you would like.

The truth of the matter is that any Mutant that can decapitate or rip apart wolverine from the vertebrae can win.

Here is a list of Xmen that can kill Wolverine, and how often
[u]Storm (100%)-[/u]using lighting to fry wolverine's flesh and cartilage while flying in air which wolverine cant reach
[u]Jean Grey[/u] -telekineses is strong enough to rip wolverine in half from any point along the spine, or she and crush wolverines brain from within his skull while flying in air
[u]Iceman (90%)[/u] - Iceman can freeze then deep freeze Wolverine flesh, to the point of sub-zero. Then any punch will shatter his body leaving his bones behind. Or any type of sharp ice blade can decapitate wolverine at any vertebrae
[u]Colossus (65%) [/u]- Strong enough to rip Wolverine limbs from his body, or tear him apart from the spine.
[u]Psylocke (85%)[/u] - Psylock can incapacitate Wolverine with mental attack, then use her swords to decapitate wolverine at any vertebrae
[u]Rogue (70%)[/u] - Rogue is strong enough to rip Wolverine apart at any point along the spine, she may need to incapacitate him by touching him first
[u]Emma Frost (100%)[/u] - Wolverine cant hurt emma cuz she is diamond. But Emma can leave him brainless with a mental attack

Wolverine can defeat the following X-men
Gambit (95%)
Jubilee (100%)
Beast (92%) - beast is strong enough to rip off Wolverine's limbs
Nightcrawler (92%) nightcrawler can use his sword to decapitate him
Archangel (100%)- It is in Archangel's best interest to just fly away and concede. But there is an unlikely possibility that Archangel's razor's can sever some of wolverine joints

But the truth is that Wolverine no longer has a healing factor because the Phalanx covenant has removed it. Wolverine no longer has adamantium because Magneto has removed it from his bones. Wolverine is now useless. I completely understand that he may be your favorite, but you really need to stop defending him in these showdowns

#24 Posted by randumo24 (4654 posts) - - Show Bio

cyclops definetly

#25 Posted by claws (5061 posts) - - Show Bio

cyclops but it is possible for wolverine to get an win if he is quick

#26 Posted by randumo24 (4654 posts) - - Show Bio
claws said:
"cyclops but it is possible for wolverine to get an win if he is quick"

he couldnt be quick enough cuz he'd never get close enough to do anything.
#27 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - - Show Bio

wolverine ftw, the only way wolvie loses is if he is in the open but if this battle is taking place in the ruins of the x mansion, logan would have a field day hunting and stalking cyclops.

#28 Posted by randumo24 (4654 posts) - - Show Bio
castleking said:
"wolverine ftw, the only way wolvie loses is if he is in the open but if this battle is taking place in the ruins of the x mansion, logan would have a field day hunting and stalking cyclops."

have you payed attention, cyclops has beaten wolverine many times in the comic itself, you obviously dont know much about cyclops powers, no chance for logan, cyclpos is smarter to, there'd be no hunting, there'd be blasting into bits tho.
#29 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio
randumo24 said:
"castleking said:
"wolverine ftw, the only way wolvie loses is if he is in the open but if this battle is taking place in the ruins of the x mansion, logan would have a field day hunting and stalking cyclops."
have you payed attention, cyclops has beaten wolverine many times in the comic itself, you obviously dont know much about cyclops powers, no chance for logan, cyclpos is smarter to, there'd be no hunting, there'd be blasting into bits tho."
there's only one way for wolverine to die, and the OP says that Cyclops doesn't have what's needed to do it.
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#30 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - - Show Bio
randumo24 said:
"castleking said:
"wolverine ftw, the only way wolvie loses is if he is in the open but if this battle is taking place in the ruins of the x mansion, logan would have a field day hunting and stalking cyclops."
have you payed attention, cyclops has beaten wolverine many times in the comic itself, you obviously dont know much about cyclops powers, no chance for logan, cyclpos is smarter to, there'd be no hunting, there'd be blasting into bits tho."
i have paid attention perhaps you should reread the OP set up.
#31 Posted by randumo24 (4654 posts) - - Show Bio

i have and if you havent read cyclops wins in many ways, how can you really believe wolverine would win this, really?

#32 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio
randumo24 said:
"i have and if you havent read cyclops wins in many ways, how can you really believe wolverine would win this, really?"
because it's to the death and the only way to kill wolverine is with the Masamune Blade. And the OP says Cyclops doesn't have that, so he can't win.
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#33 Posted by spawnfanboy (893 posts) - - Show Bio

wolverine survived an atomic bomb

#34 Posted by Emerald_General_Jai (2306 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyke

#35 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - - Show Bio
randumo24 said:
"i have and if you havent read cyclops wins in many ways, how can you really believe wolverine would win this, really?"
i have read plenty of x men comics and i also know wolvester has evaded punked, knockdown and beaten cyclops just as many times as cyclops has done to wolvie.
#36 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio

Why do people always tell others what they do and do not read?

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#37 Posted by claws (5061 posts) - - Show Bio

not saying that wolverine wins but but he has tooken worse then cyclops optic blast

#38 Posted by spawnfanboy (893 posts) - - Show Bio

heres logan after hiroshima


#39 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Why do people always tell others what they do and do not read?"
because people will say something so ridiculous that they couldn't possibly have been familiar with the subject at hand.

I, on the other hand, am more polite, so i ask, "where the fcuk did you get that from freak?"
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#40 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio
claws said:
"not saying that wolverine wins but but he has tooken worse then cyclops optic blast "
He has but Cyclops can hold them on Wolverine.There is almost no way Wolverine can get close to him in a fight with no rules.
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#41 Posted by spawnfanboy (893 posts) - - Show Bio

remember when logan blocked deadpool's optic blasts in the movie? could he ever do that in the comic?

#42 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"claws said:
"not saying that wolverine wins but but he has tooken worse then cyclops optic blast "
He has but Cyclops can hold them on Wolverine.There is almost no way Wolverine can get close to him in a fight with no rules.
"
but it's to the death, and cyclops will have to close his eyes to sleep sooner or later
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#43 Posted by claws (5061 posts) - - Show Bio

i know i even said cyclops takes this but i think wolverine has an tiny chance of winning ....

#44 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"claws said:
"not saying that wolverine wins but but he has tooken worse then cyclops optic blast "
He has but Cyclops can hold them on Wolverine.There is almost no way Wolverine can get close to him in a fight with no rules.
"
wolverine has done it in the passed, besides this battle is in the ruins of the mansion plenty of cover for logan to go ninja on cyke. even if cuke wanted to go all out on logan he have to worry about his surroundings and debri collapsing on him.
#45 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio
claws said:
"i know i even said cyclops takes this but i think wolverine has an tiny chance of winning ...."
cyclops can't kill wolverine though
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#46 Edited by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio
castleking said:
"Vance Astro said:
"claws said:
"not saying that wolverine wins but but he has tooken worse then cyclops optic blast "
He has but Cyclops can hold them on Wolverine.There is almost no way Wolverine can get close to him in a fight with no rules.
"
wolverine has done it in the passed,
He shouldn't be able to.His regular blast knock Wolverine down.I don't see how he can even stand up on full blast.
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#47 Posted by claws (5061 posts) - - Show Bio

this is fight to the death?...then wolverine takes this then

#48 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio
claws said:
"this is fight to the death?...then wolverine takes this then"
and no Masamune Blade for Cyclops, which means, Cyclops can't win.
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#49 Posted by claws (5061 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"claws said:
"this is fight to the death?...then wolverine takes this then"
and no Masamune Blade for Cyclops, which means, Cyclops can't win."

agreed as long as its an fight to the death
#50 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"castleking said:
"Vance Astro said:
"claws said:
"not saying that wolverine wins but but he has tooken worse then cyclops optic blast "
He has but Cyclops can hold them on Wolverine.There is almost no way Wolverine can get close to him in a fight with no rules.
"
wolverine has done it in the passed,
He shouldn't be able to.His regular blast knock Wolverine down.I don't see how he can even stand up on full blast.
"
wolverine has blocked cyclops regular blast by waving his claws in front of the blast, he has also done it to more powerful blast by brazing himself with his claws in front of his chest.