Wolverine vs. Colossus

Colossuss. OVERKILL.

" @erik:  Look up this on "web m.d.".  I'm right, you're not.  And I'm done with this.  You are an ass.  And I'm above this childishness.  I wont be responding again, and if you keep it up you're gonna get in trouble with the moderator.   PS, I hate Spike!  ; )   Later...   "

Lol.

" @erik: erik whats your take on the fight? Can Logan even pierce him? i know he has trouble in the past before "

" @erik: yeah i saw that i think it was wolverine goes to hell, but people were saying he was amped by a demon. So you give the fight to logan then since he can cut him? "

" I think Wolverine is able to scratch Colossus' skin, but not do much damage. This is a pretty easy win for Colossus. "

Wolverine has shown that Colossus can be cut with just a little effort. 

"Wolverine has shown that Colossus can be cut with just a little effort.  "

" @erik said:

"Wolverine has shown that Colossus can be cut with just a little effort.  "

i think he cut colossus when they fought recently. althought, i think wolverine was possesed by a demon. and another thing: colossus was bleeding regular blood, i thought he bleed energy while in armoed form. "

Actually, I think that may have been the 70's where that was stated. 

" @blackadam said:

" @erik said:

"Wolverine has shown that Colossus can be cut with just a little effort.  "

i think he cut colossus when they fought recently. althought, i think wolverine was possesed by a demon. and another thing: colossus was bleeding regular blood, i thought he bleed energy while in armoed form. "

Yes he was possessed but there has been nothing that indicates he was physically enhanced beyond his normal enhancements. He just displayed typical demonic powers.  Yes Colossus was bleeding and yes it is a plot hole. But that does not discredit the entire issue. It just means the editor did not do his 80's research.  "

wolverine wins  
 
he just needs to get a claw through the head and with his speed and strength it should be more then enough to get passed metal skin

I'm going to BUMP this to reignite the whole "can Wolverine pierce Colossus" fiasco.

Anyone care to debate that topic... I feel it's still very much been left inconclusive. I will take a stand now and say Wolverine can pierce him and thereby beat him.

Any takers?

" Good fight. Pitor knows better than to let Wolverine Close on him, he's beeen training with the man for years. Pitor has one chance and that to make it hard for Wolverine to close the distance and get the claws into him Pitor can  make a sacricice and a claw into the sholder or just hope he can get to Wolvies wrist ans arms and tear them off.  If Pitor can survie long enough to garbe wolverines hands  or arms Pitor Wins and Logan has no arms. But One Good shot and we have Headless Pitor.   "

could go either way........

Wolverine could win due to his experience and his skill in fighting, but colossus could win with pure strength and couldn't he just throw him?

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                    Wolverine could win due to his experience and his skill in fighting, but colossus could win with pure strength and couldn't he just throw him?

                   

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There are quite a few happenstances in comics that point ot Wolverine's claws being a lethal prospect for Peter. Here are a few of them which show, short of Logan skewering Colossus, that Petey knows to avoid those claws!

Scared Petey enough to have him jumping back! Indicating all X-Men know that when Marvel dubbs them as able to cut through anything... they mean anything!

There is Peter himself admitting the claws could cut him to the bone. Not merely scratch him, but cut him to the bone quote unquote. They are long time teammates who know one another's capabilities. Stands to reason Peter ain't lying and the fear and concern etched across his face is real!

Wolverine tags speedsters, is a master at hand to hand, dodges bullets, dodges blows from Spiderman (consistently - don't deny it all you Spidey fans cuz I have lots and lots of pics), and, in any case, he can soak the blows from Peter that he doesn't dodge. If Wolverine does not hold back, and truly wants to cut him, Logan can put him down with one well place blow. 

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"@Th3 FlAsH 123 said:

"Can Wolvie's claws penetrate Piotr's skin? If not he has no chance. "

I have no doubt that adamantium can penetrate through steel. "

Good thing Colossus isn't made of steal and the metals in question isn't nearly as important as the force it is propelled at.  Wolverine doesn't have the ability to do much more than scratch Colossus whereas a few punches to Wolverine's head will take him down for the count. "

@Aero_gt:
As I just posted... Colossus himself seems to disagree with other's conjecture as to what Logan's claws can or cannot do to him;

 

There is Peter himself admitting the claws could cut him to the bone. Not merely scratch him, but cut him to the bone quote unquote. They are long time teammates who know one another's capabilities. Stands to reason Peter ain't lying and the fear and concern etched across his face is real!

 

Wolverine tags speedsters, is a master at hand to hand, dodges bullets, dodges blows from Spiderman (consistently - don't deny it all you Spidey fans cuz I have lots and lots of pics), and, in any case, he can soak the blows from Peter that he doesn't dodge. If Wolverine does not hold back, and truly wants to cut him, Logan can put him down with one well place blow. 

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Yet all Colossus has to do is, A. KO him with the left fist and followed by the right. B. launch him into the atmostphere where he'd probably die. C. this guy is strong enough to rip him apart(His head, limbs, upper and lower body. All of his bones aren't adamantium or he wouldn't be able to move since Admantium is non-bendable for most people-3-) and even the slowest fighter can get aholf to Wolverine, he has skills, but he just doesn't use them as much, rather taking the road of a dirty fighter that wins in close calls than the clean fighter who has many different stratiegies he could use, but doesn't.  Also, it's still not proven that Wolvie is cutting through, You can have fear that someone might do this or that to you, but when it actually goes down, you might e overestimating the other guy or underestimating yourself. Wolvies best bet is to go for the eyes, rather than go for strike that just might fail to penatrate him  leaving him wide open for a quick knockout or Bfr. 

" Yet all Colossus has to do is, A. KO him with the left fist and followed by the right. B. launch him into the atmostphere where he'd probably die. C. this guy is strong enough to rip him apart(His head, limbs, upper and lower body. All of his bones aren't adamantium or he wouldn't be able to move since Admantium is non-bendable for most people-3-) and even the slowest fighter can get aholf to Wolverine, he has skills, but he just doesn't use them as much, rather taking the road of a dirty fighter that wins in close calls than the clean fighter who has many different stratiegies he could use, but doesn't.  Also, it's still not proven that Wolvie is cutting through, You can have fear that someone might do this or that to you, but when it actually goes down, you might e overestimating the other guy or underestimating yourself. Wolvies best bet is to go for the eyes, rather than go for strike that just might fail to penatrate him  leaving him wide open for a quick knockout or Bfr.  "

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                    Yet all Colossus has to do is, A. KO him with the left fist and followed by the right. B. launch him into the atmostphere where he'd probably die. C. this guy is strong enough to rip him apart(His head, limbs, upper and lower body. All of his bones aren't adamantium or he wouldn't be able to move since Admantium is non-bendable for most people-3-) and even the slowest fighter can get aholf to Wolverine, he has skills, but he just doesn't use them as much, rather taking the road of a dirty fighter that wins in close calls than the clean fighter who has many different stratiegies he could use, but doesn't.  Also, it's still not proven that Wolvie is cutting through, You can have fear that someone might do this or that to you, but when it actually goes down, you might e overestimating the other guy or underestimating yourself. Wolvies best bet is to go for the eyes, rather than go for strike that just might fail to penatrate him  leaving him wide open for a quick knockout or Bfr. 

                   

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A) Logan is built to soak blows from bricks. Adamantium absorbs and disperses impact shock (part of its properties). Healing factor deals with the rest. WWHulk needed to land repeated blows to take Logan (temporarily) out of the fight and sacrificed his eyes to get hold of him. Logan was slashing away at WWHulk all the while as well.

I don't see Colossus as able to get his mitts on Logan without sacrificing too much collatoral damage in doing so. Can Colossus 'heal' his eyes back like Hulk? Not happening. Worthy of note is Logan was not even knocked out. His brains were scrambled, but he was not out. WWHulk destroyed Colossus and is far, far stronger. Wolverine took more damage from him than Petey could.

B) Colossus is no where near fast enough, nor is he anywhere near the hand to hand fighter Logan is to land a one two combo before Logan does likewise. How's he going to handle Logan like that without getting skewered first? Again, see point A. Also, Colossus is not strong enough to throw Logan into the atmosphere. His admittedly best 'fastball' special had Logan flying like a bullet miles into the air... and it's recognized as the strongest showing yet for that particular feat;

Logan was far from knocked unconscious due to that toss, landed on a rocketing spaceship, and took out Breakworld's Ord by ramming his fist into his mouth and threatening to <pop> his claws. In short, Colossus has not been proven able to toss Logan into space. Ridiculous.

C) I don't even know where to begin with this point. Ultimate Wolverine is not 616 canon. In the Ultimate universe, Logan got torn in half by Hulk and his leg torn off by Colossus. Not in 616. It can't happen. Logan's durable enough to survive explosions without parts of him flying everywhere because adamantium is chemically 'bonded' not just to his skeleton (not just coated) but also bonded into ligaments and joints. He cannot be torn in half. His plethora of durability feats show this. There is post with a scan somewhere highlighting this point. I'll try to dig them out.

As to Logan's hand to hand, his higher end feats outshine the lower end ones. He tanks hits when he can simply because he can. Fact is, he is at the top of the hand to hand pile in the Marvel U. Period.

" @Aero_gt said:

" Yet all Colossus has to do is, A. KO him with the left fist and followed by the right. B. launch him into the atmostphere where he'd probably die. C. this guy is strong enough to rip him apart(His head, limbs, upper and lower body. All of his bones aren't adamantium or he wouldn't be able to move since Admantium is non-bendable for most people-3-) and even the slowest fighter can get aholf to Wolverine, he has skills, but he just doesn't use them as much, rather taking the road of a dirty fighter that wins in close calls than the clean fighter who has many different stratiegies he could use, but doesn't.  Also, it's still not proven that Wolvie is cutting through, You can have fear that someone might do this or that to you, but when it actually goes down, you might e overestimating the other guy or underestimating yourself. Wolvies best bet is to go for the eyes, rather than go for strike that just might fail to penatrate him  leaving him wide open for a quick knockout or Bfr.  "

Wolverine cannot be ripped apart. 70 tonners, and 100 tonners have tried and couldnt so much as dislocate a joint let alone rip off a limb. Wrong.His entire skeleton is laced in adamantium on a molecular level so it doesn't inhibit his bone functions, wrong again.Wolverine just cut through him in goes to hell. Sure he was possessed but nothing was ever stated he was physically enhanced, he just showed more powers. Also it's debateable he's never tried to kill colossus and is holding back on him.Ultimate Colossus is the one with weak eyes. "

Colossus.

" @Aero_gt said:

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                    Yet all Colossus has to do is, A. KO him with the left fist and followed by the right. B. launch him into the atmostphere where he'd probably die. C. this guy is strong enough to rip him apart(His head, limbs, upper and lower body. All of his bones aren't adamantium or he wouldn't be able to move since Admantium is non-bendable for most people-3-) and even the slowest fighter can get aholf to Wolverine, he has skills, but he just doesn't use them as much, rather taking the road of a dirty fighter that wins in close calls than the clean fighter who has many different stratiegies he could use, but doesn't.  Also, it's still not proven that Wolvie is cutting through, You can have fear that someone might do this or that to you, but when it actually goes down, you might e overestimating the other guy or underestimating yourself. Wolvies best bet is to go for the eyes, rather than go for strike that just might fail to penatrate him  leaving him wide open for a quick knockout or Bfr. 

                   

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A) Logan is built to soak blows from bricks. Adamantium absorbs and disperses impact shock (part of its properties). Healing factor deals with the rest. WWHulk needed to land repeated blows to take Logan (temporarily) out of the fight and sacrificed his eyes to get hold of him. Logan was slashing away at WWHulk all the while as well.

 

 

I don't see Colossus as able to get his mitts on Logan without sacrificing too much collatoral damage in doing so. Can Colossus 'heal' his eyes back like Hulk? Not happening. Worthy of note is Logan was not even knocked out. His brains were scrambled, but he was not out. WWHulk destroyed Colossus and is far, far stronger. Wolverine took more damage from him than Petey could.

 

B) Colossus is no where near fast enough, nor is he anywhere near the hand to hand fighter Logan is to land a one two combo before Logan does likewise. How's he going to handle Logan like that without getting skewered first? Again, see point A. Also, Colossus is not strong enough to throw Logan into the atmosphere. His admittedly best 'fastball' special had Logan flying like a bullet miles into the air... and it's recognized as the strongest showing yet for that particular feat;

 

Logan was far from knocked unconscious due to that toss, landed on a rocketing spaceship, and took out Breakworld's Ord by ramming his fist into his mouth and threatening to <pop> his claws. In short, Colossus has not been proven able to toss Logan into space. Ridiculous.

C) I don't even know where to begin with this point. Ultimate Wolverine is not 616 canon. In the Ultimate universe, Logan got torn in half by Hulk and his leg torn off by Colossus. Not in 616. It can't happen. Logan's durable enough to survive explosions without parts of him flying everywhere because adamantium is chemically 'bonded' not just to his skeleton (not just coated) but also bonded into ligaments and joints. He cannot be torn in half. His plethora of durability feats show this. There is post with a scan somewhere highlighting this point. I'll try to dig them out.

As to Logan's hand to hand, his higher end feats outshine the lower end ones. He tanks hits when he can simply because he can. Fact is, he is at the top of the hand to hand pile in the Marvel U. Period.

 

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There is an interesting point worthy of note here. Hulk does this to Colossus;

But does not/can not break Wolverine likewise. Showing adamantium is indeed superior to Petey's organic hide. Another venue pointing to a greater likelihood of Wolverine's adamantium claws cutting through Colossus.

" @Aero_gt: Pete's best bet is to get ahold of him and pound him but he shouldnt be able to catch Logan, or BFR him, ill put up some scans later that show what i mean he cant be ripped in half and ady is bone level "

Wolverine has lived for around 125yrs and has learned almost all forms of hand to hand combat if not all of them, He is faster, more agile and a better hand to hand combatant than colossus already. Throw in the healing factor + The adamantium skeleton and colossus gets destroyed. Wolverine has traded blows with the hulk and the hulk is far stronger than colossus. His only chance would be to BFR wolverine which is pretty unlikely because wolverine is far too agile and wouldnt let colossus get the grab on him.

Whichever comes first, Collosus Powerpunching Wolvies skull head (again and again and win for Colossus) or Wolvie Piercing into Colossus into bits of crud (win for wolvie)....But I'm gonna say Wolvie, because he has the main factor here: Speed (I know he's not too fast but he's fast enough to beat a hunk of metal)

@Ramtha07 said:

" @Aero_gt said:

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                    Yet all Colossus has to do is, A. KO him with the left fist and followed by the right. B. launch him into the atmostphere where he'd probably die. C. this guy is strong enough to rip him apart(His head, limbs, upper and lower body. All of his bones aren't adamantium or he wouldn't be able to move since Admantium is non-bendable for most people-3-) and even the slowest fighter can get aholf to Wolverine, he has skills, but he just doesn't use them as much, rather taking the road of a dirty fighter that wins in close calls than the clean fighter who has many different stratiegies he could use, but doesn't.  Also, it's still not proven that Wolvie is cutting through, You can have fear that someone might do this or that to you, but when it actually goes down, you might e overestimating the other guy or underestimating yourself. Wolvies best bet is to go for the eyes, rather than go for strike that just might fail to penatrate him  leaving him wide open for a quick knockout or Bfr. 

                   

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A) Logan is built to soak blows from bricks. Adamantium absorbs and disperses impact shock (part of its properties). Healing factor deals with the rest. WWHulk needed to land repeated blows to take Logan (temporarily) out of the fight and sacrificed his eyes to get hold of him. Logan was slashing away at WWHulk all the while as well.

 

 

I don't see Colossus as able to get his mitts on Logan without sacrificing too much collatoral damage in doing so. Can Colossus 'heal' his eyes back like Hulk? Not happening. Worthy of note is Logan was not even knocked out. His brains were scrambled, but he was not out. WWHulk destroyed Colossus and is far, far stronger. Wolverine took more damage from him than Petey could.

 

B) Colossus is no where near fast enough, nor is he anywhere near the hand to hand fighter Logan is to land a one two combo before Logan does likewise. How's he going to handle Logan like that without getting skewered first? Again, see point A. Also, Colossus is not strong enough to throw Logan into the atmosphere. His admittedly best 'fastball' special had Logan flying like a bullet miles into the air... and it's recognized as the strongest showing yet for that particular feat;

 

Logan was far from knocked unconscious due to that toss, landed on a rocketing spaceship, and took out Breakworld's Ord by ramming his fist into his mouth and threatening to <pop> his claws. In short, Colossus has not been proven able to toss Logan into space. Ridiculous.

C) I don't even know where to begin with this point. Ultimate Wolverine is not 616 canon. In the Ultimate universe, Logan got torn in half by Hulk and his leg torn off by Colossus. Not in 616. It can't happen. Logan's durable enough to survive explosions without parts of him flying everywhere because adamantium is chemically 'bonded' not just to his skeleton (not just coated) but also bonded into ligaments and joints. He cannot be torn in half. His plethora of durability feats show this. There is post with a scan somewhere highlighting this point. I'll try to dig them out.

As to Logan's hand to hand, his higher end feats outshine the lower end ones. He tanks hits when he can simply because he can. Fact is, he is at the top of the hand to hand pile in the Marvel U. Period.

 

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Well, god damnit. Although still a bfr far away is a win in topic-3-. Wolverine, do have scan of his other joints and tissues of him being coated with admantium? Going by the rules or implied rules of the thread a Bfr is a win. Also if morals are on and all  wolvering is gonna kill, but he'll threaten to do is the even  of a possible loss leading to a draw rather than a win. Morals off  eh... I'll leave that to others to decide.