#1 Edited by venomyak (1443 posts) - - Show Bio

who is the greatest male marvel martial artist? no healing no chi no magic just hand to hand combat they fight in a forest 20 ft apart win by k.o. or bfr no weapons EDIT: i'm adding daredevil edit: removed elektra going to create a female version

#2 Posted by PowerHerc (81580 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain America comes out winnin' and grinnin'.

#3 Posted by hyiena (1790 posts) - - Show Bio

On martial ats skill alone I would say Ironfist

#4 Posted by Void_Paladin (901 posts) - - Show Bio

No chi...Wolverine wins this.

#5 Posted by jashro44 (19562 posts) - - Show Bio

iron fist. Pre doom war black panther would win.

#6 Posted by venomyak (1443 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

#7 Posted by Erik (31602 posts) - - Show Bio

I am almost certain this has been done before.

#8 Posted by Saren (25273 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist.

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#9 Posted by Dex_Starr (4772 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron fist >>> Wolverine>>>Cap=Panther=Daredevil>>>Elektra

#10 Posted by emperorznb (1673 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist would come on top even if chi is restricted.

#11 Posted by venomyak (1443 posts) - - Show Bio

so most people think ironfist

#12 Posted by MyronLee26 (1092 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist is the most disciplined Martial Artist in this line up. Black Panther, IMO, would be next, but its a toss up between him and Captain America, but moreso BP since he was trained since childhood to be a warrior. I have mixed feelings when it comes to Wolverine. At first, i thought I was certain, but Im not sure.........

#13 Posted by venomyak (1443 posts) - - Show Bio

@MyronLee26: what about daredevil

#14 Posted by MyronLee26 (1092 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomyak said:

@MyronLee26: what about daredevil

Daredevil has done very well against all the ones listed above. DD is in the top 10 IMO.

#15 Posted by NyghtMare (403 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist > Cap > Wolvie > BP

Chi or not, IF has this on lock.

#16 Posted by TheSwordsman (1954 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Panther followed closely by Cap then IF then Wolverine.

#17 Posted by darktiger (4153 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

Iron Fist.

correct my friend

#18 Posted by Hyperlight (5436 posts) - - Show Bio

If they are all at the top of there game wolverine takes this. he has been fighting longer than they have all been alive. He has more skills than Cap but employs them less because he doesnt need to.

Wolvie>IF>Cap>=BP

#19 Posted by Simon_the_digger (2837 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist

#20 Posted by Jayimfamous (64 posts) - - Show Bio

Black panther has beaten a fully powered iron fist that had no restraints who was set to kill and bp beat him without trying to kill him because it was a friend. So that's one down. Captain america has beaten bp once out if the 3 time they fought and the light he one bp was hurt and even cap says you weren't yourself buy didn't make no excuses so that's 2 down. Dare devil lost to bp in a close bout so that's 3 down and wolverine had trained for yrs but still doesn't come close to these guys in h2h combat. Every person up that's up here he had got thrashed by and just because you have hundreds of yrs of battling doesn't mean your technique is better than others. Thor had been fighting for thousand yrs and he still gets thrashed alot and I love thor.

1. Bp

2. Iron fist

3.cap

4.dd

5. Wolverine

#21 Posted by SHAZAM117 (2602 posts) - - Show Bio

With these rules, going with Danny

#22 Posted by Wolverine08 (38545 posts) - - Show Bio

1. Iron Fist

2. Wolverine

3. Black Panther

4. Captain America

#23 Posted by dondave (34336 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist

Black Panther

Wolverine

Cap

#24 Posted by jojjimbo (2472 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist

Black Panther

Cap

Wolverine

#25 Posted by Cable_Extreme (8600 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist

Black Panther

Wolverine

Cap

#26 Posted by Wolverine08 (38545 posts) - - Show Bio

Kind of noticing the Wolverine isn't a skilled hand to hand fighter stigma with him being so low in people's lists. Lol.

#27 Edited by beatboks1 (6987 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayimfamous: Flawed logic that can be used to support all of them for the win . Example DD has beaten BP one and stalemated him twice, has beaten Cap once and also beaten him with a few Avengers. Has beaten and stalemated IF twice also and Logan a few times so DD mist win.

The context of all battles is important. Also the way the OP takes away physical enhancements ( and it's not just for IF he says JUST h2h after all the "no's". So BP wint have the physical enhancemts of the heart shaped herb he would have in those battles, Cap will be without his physical enhancements from the Super Soldier Serum and Logan without his mutant ability and admantium bones ( since without healimg he wouldn't have survived getting them or having them). you can therefore only judge from the skill in battles against physical equals.

Danny pretty eaaily

#28 Posted by Saren (25273 posts) - - Show Bio

Worth noting that after Black Panther beat Iron Fist, he had an aneurysm in the brain and collapsed. So if anyone's suggesting he's going to beat Danny and then wipe the floor with Logan and Cap right afterwards.......no, that's not going to happen.

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#29 Edited by comic_book_fan (5242 posts) - - Show Bio

wolverine wins he has beat all these guys solo and the only one who has a chance of knocking him out is ironfist and he will put ironfist down before that happens.

if ironfist still has his chi then wolverine would still have his bone claws and healing and super senses enhanced strength and agility he would just be without his adamantium.

and black pather is basically his pre marvel know version.

cap dies horribly because he reverts back to the sickly steve rogers

#30 Posted by Wolverine08 (38545 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Cap while a very good fighter, is pretty much the least skilled fighter here. A little off of Panther's, Iron Fist's, and Logan's level of skill IMO.

#31 Posted by Cable_Extreme (8600 posts) - - Show Bio

wolverine wins he has beat all these guys solo and the only one who has a chance of knocking him out is ironfist and he will put ironfist down before that happens.

if ironfist still has his chi then wolverine would still have his bone claws and healing and super senses enhanced strength and agility he would just be without his adamantium.

and black pather is basically his pre marvel know version.

cap dies horribly because he reverts back to the sickly steve rogers

This is martial arts, no powers, no chi, no weapons, just who is the better martial artist.

#32 Posted by comic_book_fan (5242 posts) - - Show Bio
#33 Posted by Cable_Extreme (8600 posts) - - Show Bio
#34 Edited by darkbeam (2081 posts) - - Show Bio

1.Iron Fist

2.Black Panther

3.DD

4.Cap

5.Wolverine

#35 Posted by comic_book_fan (5242 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme:

because he is the most experienced and most skilled.

#36 Posted by GraniteSoldier (6948 posts) - - Show Bio
  1. Fist of Iron
  2. Panther of Black
  3. American Captain
  4. Wolf of Erine? I don't know you get the point.

This is decided in millimeters, not feet or even inches. So to speak.

#37 Posted by Cable_Extreme (8600 posts) - - Show Bio
#38 Posted by comic_book_fan (5242 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme:

he has beaten him both times they have ever sparred.

#39 Edited by Cable_Extreme (8600 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan said:

@cable_extreme:

he has beaten him both times they have ever sparred.

But is sparring match a true test of skill sense they are both holding back? Because Iron Fist has some wins when they are not holding back.

#40 Posted by Azazel1000 (18 posts) - - Show Bio

#1 Iron Fist.

#2 Black Panther

#3 Wolverine

#Cap.

#41 Posted by Nelomaxwell (10365 posts) - - Show Bio

1 IF

2 BP

3 Wolvie (His problem is while he is extremely skilled he never fights like it as noted by one of his sifu's)

4 Cap

#42 Posted by God_Spawn (37305 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine.

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#43 Edited by ntb101 (859 posts) - - Show Bio

iron fist's iron fist cracks everyones skull. even wolverine

#44 Posted by Wolverine08 (38545 posts) - - Show Bio

1 IF

2 BP

3 Wolvie (His problem is while he is extremely skilled he never fights like it as noted by one of his sifu's)

4 Cap

That wont really be a problem since he'll be forced to use his martial arts skill in this particular situation, and Wolverine has lots of times where he's relied on his martial art skill.

#45 Posted by comic_book_fan (5242 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme:

it's the closest thing you can get to a fight between the 2 without there powers.

#46 Posted by Cable_Extreme (8600 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme:

it's the closest thing you can get to a fight between the 2 without there powers.

True, though Wolverine's healing factor, and adamantium frame, he cannot turn off ):

#47 Edited by kcflashkills (80 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayimfamous: i think u guys are forgetting that wolverine is a master of virtually every fighting style on the planet says so in the marvel database and hes trained with samurais and has been in multiple wars i think hes got this one. people are underestimating wolvie just because he doesnt constantly show his skill but thats jut cause he doesnt need to with his adimantium and healing factor. also you guys are overestimating cap before the super soldier serum he was just a skinny guy that had no chance in the military i think if wolverine really showed what he can do the only real challenge he would have is black panther and iron fist.

ps- without powers cap will revert back to a little ant

#48 Posted by Wolverine08 (38545 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan said:

@cable_extreme:

it's the closest thing you can get to a fight between the 2 without there powers.

True, though Wolverine's healing factor, and adamantium frame, he cannot turn off ):

Just because he has a healing factor doesn't mean his skill wasn't what let him win that match.

#49 Edited by Super_SoldierXII (6166 posts) - - Show Bio

With recent developments, if we're going no powers, then I don't think Wolverine does so hot.

Lately it's being iterated again and again, that Wolverine's healing factor is part and parcel to his martial technique. Without it, he's at a loss. He's like a wind-up toy. The more you beat on him, the more you wind him up, the better he gets and the more he lets loose.

Without his powers, he's unpracticed and needs to reestablish or reinvent himself before he can hang with the top echelon of Marvel delineated herein. All of whom rely nearly 100% on skill to survive (shield, suits, tech & gear notwithstanding).

I don't think any other fighter here is as gimped as Wolverine is without use of their powers. Not at present in any case ... maybe things will change soon.

#50 Posted by comic_book_fan (5242 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme:

yeah that's why a tag system is best as in neither of them using real force just seeing who can hit who the most.