no one will go for nightwing
Winter Soldier! VS. Nightwing!
Round 1
Nightwing, since he's more Airborne, he's a circus freak, and he's a fighting master. He's also very skillful. Since Batman was a strategist and an intellect, I'm sure he trained Nightwing to be one too, so due to that.
Nightwing wins.
Round 2
Bucky Barnes wins due to his weapon, and he's really good and trained with long-range weapons. Probably more than Nightwing.
Round 3
Batman and Captain America are equal hand to hand fighters, but Batman's weapons and intelligence will give him the win.
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Master M0r0n
@MasterM0r0n said:
Round 1
Nightwing, since he's more Airborne, he's a circus freak, and he's a fighting master. He's also very skillful. Since Batman was a strategist and an intellect, I'm sure he trained Nightwing to be one too, so due to that.
Nightwing wins.
Round 2
Bucky Barnes wins due to his weapon, and he's really good and trained with long-range weapons. Probably more than Nightwing.
Round 3
Batman and Captain America are equal hand to hand fighters, but Batman's weapons and intelligence will give him the win.
Post by,
Master M0r0n
i disagree strongly. Winter Soldier wins... all of the rounds, actually. I have almost all of Nightwings feats in a folder here and.... they don't match up.
@Lord Doom: Have you even seen those scans Frank has to cheap shot Bucky to even stand a chance. ALso Frank admits that Bucky would win if they would fight.
Against Punisher:
Punisher takes Bucky by total surprise and Bucky still manages to stalemate him. Punisher admits that heads up he would lose.
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By the way Bucky wins.
@ThexX said:
@Lord Doom: Have you even seen those scans Frank has to cheap shot Bucky to even stand a chance. ALso Frank admits that Bucky would win if they would fight.
Against Punisher:
Punisher takes Bucky by total surprise and Bucky still manages to stalemate him. Punisher admits that heads up he would lose.
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I have to see that
@nickthedevil said:
@MasterM0r0n said:
Round 1
Nightwing, since he's more Airborne, he's a circus freak, and he's a fighting master. He's also very skillful. Since Batman was a strategist and an intellect, I'm sure he trained Nightwing to be one too, so due to that.
Nightwing wins.
Round 2
Bucky Barnes wins due to his weapon, and he's really good and trained with long-range weapons. Probably more than Nightwing.
Round 3
Batman and Captain America are equal hand to hand fighters, but Batman's weapons and intelligence will give him the win.
Post by,
Master M0r0n
i disagree strongly. Winter Soldier wins... all of the rounds, actually. I have almost all of Nightwings feats in a folder here and.... they don't match up.
Has Winter Soldier ever taken out 40 armed soldiers in the span of a few minutes while surrounded? Didn't think so
@Chemboyokinsate: Actually he's done better.
FIGHTING ABILITY
Against Canon Fodder
Bucky fights using armless combat. What is armless combat? Literally with no arms. Notable feat is his agility to be able to kick and one shot 3 men with one maneuver.
Against Canon Fodder with high tech gear of all kinds
Against more Canon fodder with high tech gear
Notable feats here are Bucky’s agility!
Against Batroc the Leaper:
Bucky seems to stalemate Batroc the leaper
Remember, this is what Batroc can do (respecting Batroc here because it just makes Bucky’s abilities more remarkable afterwards
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Bucky faces off against the man with no face (huh? Faces off with no face?), Batroc, canon fodder and an APACHE HELICOPTER!
Did you feel the last two fights weren’t clear enough who was better? Well here Bucky is defeating Batroc soundly. Batroc results to cheap tricks to get away.
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@ThexX:Those are all mediocre feats. The most you shwoed was Bucky beating on 3 or 4 guys, with a weapon
In a few minutes Nightwing beat 40 armed soldiers, unarmed, while surrounded and injured by a speedster, without killing them. Bucky cannot do that.
@Chemboyokinsate: You do realize those scans prove nothing right. All you are showing is some guy running and Nightwing being surrounded by some untrained canon fodder. While I have given scans of Bucky taking apart a group heavily armed Hammer Agents. And fighting and beating Batroc the Leaper. And Just to prove my point that Bucky is better here are more scans.
Against 50s Captain America:
50s Captain America has 2 ton strength. Bucky has commented that 50s Captain America is twice as strong, fast and durable as Steve. Bucky also commented that Steve is 3 times faster, stronger and durable as himself. This makes 50s cap 6 times all the stats of Bucky who is only peak human. No big deal, Bucky still kicks his ass.
This time Bucky did not have a shield, only his arm. He still beats 50s Cap and then shoots him multiple times. We all know 50s Cap will be back again.
@Chemboyokinsate said:
@ThexX:Those are all mediocre feats. The most you shwoed was Bucky beating on 3 or 4 guys, with a weapon
In a few minutes Nightwing beat 40 armed soldiers, unarmed, while surrounded and injured by a speedster, without killing them. Bucky cannot do that.
WOW you really haven't read that issue, have you?
@ThexX
Are you saying Bucky can beat Cap' as well X_X
This time Bucky did not have a shield, only his arm. He still beats 50s Cap and then shoots him multiple times. We all know 50s Cap will be back again.
I know you never said so, buuuuut do you think so?
@MasterM0r0n: No Bucky could not beat the Real Cap (Steve). Also those scans come from a respect thread created by @SlimJ87D here is link if you are interested.
http://www.comicvine.com/bucky-barnes/29-40470/bucky-barnes-respect-thread/92-662398/#38
Also 50's Captain America is not Steve here is a link to find out who 50's Cap is http://www.comicvine.com/grand-director/29-14492/
I would have to go Winter Soldier. Super strength and electric charge out of his bionic arm. Much more experienced than Nightwing ( and I like Nightwing) as he has been fighting and assassinating since the 1940's.
Round 1 - Robin
Dick has the training of acrobats plus the martial arts that Batman taught him. Buck was raised on the military base, became one of the best fighters in the army after significant training with US and British forces. If any weapons were involved, I think Buck would win easily. Since this is purely H2H, I think Dick has a slight edge due to the agility.
Round 2 - Winter Soldier
Buck is given weapons and has his mechanicalarm which is a great strength enhancer. He also hasthe additional training of the Russians. He is an expert marksman. I don't think nightwing has enough skills to counter this as they were so closely matched before Buck has all these upgrades since the last battle
Round 3 - Capatin America
Buck as Cap has the shield, pistols, and the arm. Dick has the Batman gear and gadgets. I'd still have to give this to Buck becauseof the weapons. They are near equals at this point in H2H and the indistructible shield, pistols, and arm in Buck's hands are a bigger advantage than the Batman gear in Dick's
@Nemboisyeuy said:
@nickthedevil said:
@Chemboyokinsate said:
@ThexX:Those are all mediocre feats. The most you shwoed was Bucky beating on 3 or 4 guys, with a weapon
In a few minutes Nightwing beat 40 armed soldiers, unarmed, while surrounded and injured by a speedster, without killing them. Bucky cannot do that.
WOW you really haven't read that issue, have you?
Have you read it? Probably not
Yeah I have. The speedster gets killed by Captain Boomerang Jr. Nightwing wasn't surrounded by a speedster.
@Nemboisyeuy: Bucky could easily take out those 40 guys. First off those 40 guys are nothing but canon fodder. And second lets see Nightwing fight Crossbones, Sin, & The Serpent Squad. And just to prove a point Here are also scans of Bucky fighting Iron Man.
Against Crossbones:
This encounter Bucky uses his agility to get the best of Crossbones and then kicks his ass
Bucky then fights Crossbones and Sin
Bucky then fights the Serpent Squad, Sin and Crossbones
Agaisnt Ironman:
Although Ironman was not trying to harm Bucky, this fight shows how quickly Bucky can think on his feat and turn the tide to his favor:
@Nemboisyeuy: So you are saying lets strip Bucky naked. Take away all of his equipment and take away one of his arms and make him fight against 10 guys with guns. You do realize that statement has nothing to do with this fight right. And just to point out this is what Bucky has done Armless before.
Against Canon Fodder
Bucky fights using armless combat. What is armless combat? Literally with no arms. Notable feat is his agility to be able to kick and one shot 3 men with one maneuver.
Arm can be detached and controlled. Has smart enough AI to navigate through SHIELD headquarters and free Bucky
@Nemboisyeuy: Seriously dude you have to resort to cursing (You have just been Flaged). Also you do realize you are about the only one who thinks that Nightwings wins right. And show me scans of Nightwing actuality beating those 40 guys. Also when has Dick beaten any of Batman villains. Oh wait he hasn't when he has even fought anybody with any skill he gets beats. Hell Arsenal (Roy Harper) almost beat him. Bane manhandled him, and Deathstoke beats him senseless are just plays with him. I provided you scans of Bucky taken on established characters (Batroc the Leaper, Crossbones, Sin, The Entire Serpent Squad, Iron Man) while the only thing you provide is one scan of Nightwing. Also Bucky has taken on 50's Captain America, The Punisher, Black Widow, & Wolverine and has either won against them are stalemated them.
Against Punisher:
Punisher takes Bucky by total surprise and Bucky still manages to stalemate him. Punisher admits that heads up he would lose.
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Against Wolverine:
Bucky takes out a group of Ninjas and Wolverine (Without Adamantium).
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Bucky with prep outsmarts Wolverine (with Adamantium) and nearly beats him to death if it wasn’t for the Adamantium and healing factor. Good thing he had backup.
Against 50s Captain America:
50s Captain America has 2 ton strength. Bucky has commented that 50s Captain America is twice as strong, fast and durable as Steve. Bucky also commented that Steve is 3 times faster, stronger and durable as himself. This makes 50s cap 6 times all the stats of Bucky who is only peak human. No big deal, Bucky still kicks his ass.
This time Bucky did not have a shield, only his arm. He still beats 50s Cap and then shoots him multiple times. We all know 50s Cap will be back again.
Against Black Widow:
Here Bucky faces off against his lover before they reconnect. Remarkable feats here are Bucky’s ability to deflect Widows stingers with his arm. He could pretty much deflect bullets with his arm.
Against Clint Barton
Here’s Bucky pretty much showing his superiority over Clint Barton at H2H in spars. Notable feats are Bucky being able to catch arrows mid air while performing gymnastics with his metal arm
Against Baron Zemo Jr.
Baron Zemo was prepped for this fight, had traps and a power suit. Bucky was also drugged and was hallucinating. Bucky still bests him in combat.
Against Giant Werebear
Bucky has been depowered, his arm set to a normal human's strength arm. He has not ate or slept well for days because of Gulag forcing him to fight in a Arena for 2 months against super powered foes. Here he is forced to fight and defeat a Werebear!
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Winter soldier's education and capabilty its so good.. But Nightwing smarter,faster,more agile,more succesfull with stealh, Maybe winter soldier have chance agains nightwing or beat nightwing with his bionic arm and shield... But Cap.America never passed The Bat ;) Remember that..
Nightwing smarter and faster..and more skilled fighter... ım go with Nighwing..but Winter Soldier also so closely for me.. Kinda % 52 %48
As much as I love dic- errr nightwing. It's gotta be Bucky. I mean he was pretty much caps robin. That arm of his is a serious advantage. Duck would thump him up a bit. And could win. But WS wins 8/10
@god_spawn: Bump
well said
@nightwing444: oh yeah, with a name like that, your opinion will be well respected in this thread
@nightwing444: oh yeah, with a name like that, your opinion will be well respected in this thread
He's right. I don't even consider "nightwing444" 's opinion on Nightwing threads valid.
@nightwing444: Warning for the language, man. That was rather inappropriate.
Winter Soldier ftw
@sync1: @god_spawn: oookay....sorry
@adhd_assassin: i see no reason why it shouldn't.
ahh...you're breaking my heart people!you are forcing me to give actual reasons and all....damn you!!
Round 1:There seems to be a general consensus on this one at least.Dick was robin far longer,has way too many feats and better training AND didnt end up dying on the job.
Round 2:This is where it gets interesting.Bucky has been trained by the Soviets and the Americans.He has the arm and uses a gun.He shows great prep feats.Oh and he's a villain now.Remind you of someone?
this guy.well technically that's clayface but you know what i mean
DC already has a more experienced ,better trained analogue of Bucky in Jason and Dick pretty much whupped his ass in Battle for the Cowl.And here's the part that bothers me.Both Captain America and Bucky,skilled as they are , are still just soldiers.Cap covers up for his defects with the serum but Bucky doing so is just PIS.Sure both are highly trained in anumber of martial arts but Dick is trained in almost every one of them.
And that's the thing with these Daredevil vs Nightwing ,WS vs Nightwing fights....it doesnt matter how well these characters are written or how much better their stories are, they should NOT be able to hang with the kid whose been training since he has been in his shorty shorts(literally).DD had a couple of months with Stick,WS few years with Cap and then with the Russsians.How does this compare to a man with more than a decade of fighting psycopaths,aliens and Universal threats??of course DD has more feats,he's a solo hero.Whereas anytime Dick starts doing anything remotely credible,Dan Didio has heart attack.They CANNOT have Dick Grayson outshining Bruce Wayne.With Bucky its different,first he was a villain and just like Jason was allowed to have over the top feats, then Captain was dead so he could have big feats again.With all due respect,Cap Am is not nearly as BIG as batman so 1.They CANNOT have Dick succeed him ever. 2.They CANNOT have dick outshining bruce's feats EVER. 3.They CANNOT have Dick becoming a villain EVER(coz the public outcry would be too great)
so dick is forever stuck in limbo .....badly written (unless by Dixon,Wolfman) or written without enough feats.Hes too old to become the leader of the titans leader again and too young (and HATED by Didio) to lead the League again.He is forever destined to be Batman lite,his best lieutenant,never the leader. Bucky,Jason etc, are not held by such constraints and often better written.So yeah Bucky does have better feats.
Not to say Dick hasnt got his own feats.Back in the day,he did a lot with the titans,IIRC he had more screen time than Bruce in COIE.hes beaten hundred league of assasins assasins at once,wiped the floor with his rogues gallery(blockbuster and his stupid assasins),gone toe to toe with DS(much tougher opponent than Cap) and beaten Ra's despite his 500 years of exp.he was the only person other than bruce to solo more than one talon(3 was it counting saiko?) and showed some great detective skills in "who is donna troy?" and "batman and robin" by morrison.hes beaten up joker,two face etc
But take away take away feats and PIS.on one hand you have a great soldier.on the other you have a man trained in countless martial arts since the age of 8 and with exp against aliens and superhumans,called the world's second greatest detective and loaded to the brim with gadgets.WSs arm and gun are non factors here,NW's taken down a lot worse.he was already the one of the worlds greatest gymnasts BEFORE he met batman and honed it in.So who do YOU bthink wins here once nightwing closes down the distance and it goes to a h2h fight?>??
Round 3:Pretty much the same except this is the one round WS could possibly win because of the shield.However Dick as Batman stalemated DS himself without help and seemed to be EVEN gaining the UPPER HAND till police interrupted .scans can be provided.Dick has matured aLOT by this point and is a fantastic detective/ fighter combination to boot ,rivalling bruce himself(read Black Mirror.and oh snyder writes Dick brilliantly too).so could go either way ....the gAdgets should swing it in Dick's favour
Finally here's how the NIGHTWING VS WINTER SOLDIER FIGHT GOES DOWN
lol has Bucky even been alive for 2 years in comic time???
this is for the idiots claiming the gun gives WS victory
Winter Soldier. I feel like his combat feats are better and his cybornetic arm provides a bigger advantage than Nightwing's gizmos.
@buckshot: batman is pretty high up there i mean not everyone knows 127 forms of martial arts
@buckshot: batman is pretty high up there i mean not everyone knows 127 forms of martial arts
Being "high up there" is not the same as being the best.
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