Winchesters vs Buffy

Agreed.

exactly, Buffy doesn't pretend to be helpless, she charges confident in her strength. Sam and Dean have fought enough possessed females (the only real equivalent we have to what buffy is) to know better than to let somebody charge them with a a weapon. No they might not know shes the slayer, they do not need to know it though, she is a threat and the only weapons they have are their guns, Buffy will get a verbal warning to stop coming at them, and when she ignores it shes getting shot, that is about as realistic a scenario as we can debate here. Thinking Buffy is going to knock out both sam and dean before they fire on her is just blatant fan nonsense.

Although honestly, the colt itself might be overkill=)

Really, just some prep and intel would go a long way here for them.

@killraven4334: exactly my thought. EVen if she tagged one of them the other will shoot her. Either that or knock her out and trap her in a devils circle.

She's not a demon...she has not been affected by things that would affect demons in her series...and they don't just carry portable devil circles...they are unprepped here...and it is not like they are going to get a chance to whip one up right on the spot...

@wyldsong: i was half joking lol. But most likely they will just shoot her.

@nerdchore: Well, I would hate to think you were being serious with the devil's trap bit=)

As for shooting her, I don't think it will happen, but why rehash what I have already hashed out? We disagree, so I will leave it at that=)

@wyldsong: even if they dont ahoot her before she gets to them shes only taking one brother on at a time. The other brother will juat shoot her.

@nerdchore: If she gets into hand to hand, she is fast and strong enough to one shot them, both of which have been one shotted and manhandled before by superhuman strength with far less skill than Buffy, and it is honestly far easier to shoot someone at range, than if they are in hand to hand, with her moving among the two brothers, they risk shooting the other. In a random, honestly it would be better with one of the brothers having one of their amps (demon blood Sam or First Blade Dean), but then Buffy would need the scythe. I only see them winning in a similar scenario if the brothers had some knowledge and maybe a little bit of prep. Hell, Buffy even faced Riley and members of the initiative with their high tech gear and weapons and managed to not get shot (I don't even think Adam ever successfully shot her), and has avoided automatic gunfire (the plot induced gun shot by the "nerd" is really a one time, low showing).

Could the brothers feasibly beat her? I think so, just not in this scenario. Add in comic Buffy feats, they lose their arses 10/10.

@wyldsong: the brothers have incredible durabity on their side. Ans at this late in thw game thwy dont mess around. They aarent going to fumble around. She def isnt one shotting them both. Id atill argue that if shea running at them with speed to charge them from 30ft. They will shoot her.

@nerdchore: I disagree. While they are fairly durable, they have still been one shotted and manhandled by less than Buffy. And again, she'll most likely close the distance with normal speed, which would be about normal. The superhuman running speed is not something she pulls out all the time, and they are not shooting her in cold blood for just running towards them at speeds a human could pull. They have no indication she is more than human, and they don't generally just shoot humans in cold blood.

This, when training in edged weapons self-defense with handguns the police academy and federal law enforcement training centers teaches the 21ft rule, you need that much distance to safely aim and fire against a charging opponent. With no other weapons besides their firearms they will resort to deadly force against a charging opponent with a stake. They will also fan out, Sam and Dean will separate creating an overlapping field of fire. Sam and Dean no longer next to each other are no longer able to both be taken out at the same time even if that was possible, once either sam or dean are down the other will light buffy up who undoubtedly was hit by gunfire on her way in. She does not have the speed to dodge bullets, which requires a reaction time under .0001 seconds for the distance involved and movement speed over 800ft per second for pistol rounds, fired from a Desert Eagle, that is also very generous because we do not know the cailber desert eagle, if we are talking 50 AE its even faster 1500fps. Unless you give buffy supersonic speed or make her bullet proof, the Winchester brothers take this encounter.

@wyldsong: this isnt 1 season dean and sam where they would juat let them charge. Current dean and sam wouldnt hesitate to shoot if the person Charged at them.

Y'know what? forget it, I still vote Buffy, I feel like she has the agility to circumavigate their shots and take them down.

just wonderin why she couldn't do it with Warren in her backyard? Warren who was also not even a fraction as proficient with firearms as the WInchesters. This is not comic buffy, this is TV buffy, TV buffy does not have the feat to back up dodging bullets, and don't try using the initiatives soldiers, as they did not use actual firearms against her. There are only a handful of guns used against buffy and she does not have a good track record against them.

If you throw out their morals and character development, then sure. Dean may be a bit twitchy thanks to the mark, but he isn't in the game of killing humans without reason. Sam is definitely not there...especially when it is their job to protect humans from the supernatural...which is kind of their purpose in life. Without intel, they don't know she isn't a baseline human. Regardless, I am just going to say f#c$ it, and run with the below at this point.

I am with you. She has dodged automatic gunfire from a guy that had a bead on her and was set and prepped to shoot, she has reacted to various projectiles, energy attacks, and magic bolts. She faced off against initiative members and their tech (took out a group of them before they had the chance to shoot her...and they were trained and in peak shape), Adam and his tech. People want to pin a one time, low showing as the norm for her. The thing is, it isn't the norm. A moment of PIS does not make the character and their abilities, especially when the majority of their feats are above and beyond the one, single, low showing. Batman drew blood from Superman in a new 52 book. Do we now pin that as the norm for Superman, or do we recognize a moment of PIS for what it is? Hell, we can pull up a ton of examples, but if it goes against the norm, we need to recognize it for what it is, pure unadulterated, PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity for the uninitiated). Something done for the sake of plot, nothing less, nothing more.

I'll maintain that this setup is not the setup for the Winchester's to pull a win.

@killraven4334: Buffy wasn't looking to fight Warren, she didn't know he had a gun, she didn't even consider him a threat, the guy is a loser. Her guard was completely down, unlike in this scenario, where she's actively fighting the Winchesters.

Oh God.

Winchesters if you are going by the TV shows. Buffy gets tagged a lot. I see no reason she would be able to dodge two sharpshooters. She was reduced to being pinned down behind a bar once Darla started shooting dual pistols (with little seeming skill) in "Angel" is the seventh episode of the first season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Not sure what she would do versus a shotgun.

First season Buffy does not equate to final season Buffy, who was dodging automatic gunfire and dealing with armed soldiers without issue in later seasons. She increased in reflexes, speed, physical stats and skill as the show went on. As for the shotgun, they don't have that listed in their equipment in this battle.

Exactly, a shotgun moves at a fraction of he speed as a high power pistol as well. There is no possible way buffy is dodging a round moving at 1500 feet per second at a distance of under 30 ft, the reaction time and move speed she would need far exceeds her capabilities.

@killraven4334: well she has dodge rapid gun fire from a gataling gun used by a demon cyborg with a advance computer brain. Plus seeing as how angel moves fast enough in season five where it looks like he has literally teleported and sam and dean couldnt even shoot demons using their speed . They aint touching buffy.