@demifiend: true, but they've also got Thor, Captain America, Iron Man, X2, Spider-Man 2, Blade.
thor sucks. i like iron man,
@CitizenBane said:
Yeah, Thor was boring.
ARE YOU MAD?!?!?!??!? THOR WAS AWESOME!
Thor's central character was boring, it's supporting characters were boring, its villain was dull as ditchwater, and the 3D was horrible. Anthony Hopkins was the only thing good about it.
...
But he was like... you know... sleeping in the whole damn movie... and Loki was awesome, but that is just my taste against you taste, and there is no truth in tastes...
@CitizenBane: Are you serious? What in the hell, Marvel.
Yeah, in Dark X-Men.
I remember now. Was BS how it ended, if Nate were at full power, he could have wasted them (although Mimic showed he could mimic his powers, so he could become a problem).
@demifiend: true, but they've also got Thor, Captain America, Iron Man, X2, Spider-Man 2, Blade.
thor sucks. i like iron man,
@CitizenBane said:
Yeah, Thor was boring.
ARE YOU MAD?!?!?!??!? THOR WAS AWESOME!
Thor's central character was boring, it's supporting characters were boring, its villain was dull as ditchwater, and the 3D was horrible. Anthony Hopkins was the only thing good about it.
...
But he was like... you know... sleeping in the whole damn movie... and Loki was awesome, but that is just my taste against you taste, and there is no truth in tastes...
And his performance while asleep was better than everyone else's performances while awake.
@demifiend: true, but they've also got Thor, Captain America, Iron Man, X2, Spider-Man 2, Blade.
thor sucks. i like iron man,
@CitizenBane said:
Yeah, Thor was boring.
ARE YOU MAD?!?!?!??!? THOR WAS AWESOME!
Thor's central character was boring, it's supporting characters were boring, its villain was dull as ditchwater, and the 3D was horrible. Anthony Hopkins was the only thing good about it.
...
But he was like... you know... sleeping in the whole damn movie... and Loki was awesome, but that is just my taste against you taste, and there is no truth in tastes...
And his performance while asleep was better than everyone else's performances while awake.
Someone like Hope or Rachel? Or Exodus? I don't know Graviton or Adam Warlock's current situations. Is High Evolutionary too high? Quasar?
1.Hope didn't show anything for this moment. 2.Rachel doesn't have Phoenix Force anymore. 3.Exodus has to weak TP or TK to be in that level. 4.Wasn't Graviton depowered? 5.Adam is dead. 6.High Evo is supposed to be on Galactus level. 7.Annihilators and Blue Marvel have currently most votes. So You choose Quasar?
One of the Annihilators. Either Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill, Quasar, or Ronan. Nova is also supposed to be back soon.
According to "Point One" pics, it would be Garthan Saal, not Rider. And... Ronan?
Ronan is physically the weakest, but he has some good energy manipulation. As shown when none of the other Annihilators could beat the imposter Dr. Dredd until Ronan figured out how to do it. And also when he helped merge the stars.
Someone like Hope or Rachel? Or Exodus? I don't know Graviton or Adam Warlock's current situations. Is High Evolutionary too high? Quasar?
1.Hope didn't show anything for this moment. 2.Rachel doesn't have Phoenix Force anymore. 3.Exodus has to weak TP or TK to be in that level. 4.Wasn't Graviton depowered? 5.Adam is dead. 6.High Evo is supposed to be on Galactus level. 7.Annihilators and Blue Marvel have currently most votes. So You choose Quasar?
I know Rachel doesn't have the PF, but she is still supposed to be an omega level mutant on her own. But she doesn't have a lot of feats on that basis right now, I agree.
I think Quasar is the most powerful Anniilator. I had been thinking about Blue Marvel too, but I don't think he has the diversity of powers necessary to take on a more cosmic opponent. So yes, I vote Quasar right now.
Are we also counting villains? There are ones like Maelstrom, Terminus, Apocalypse, Grandmaster, Overmind, Stardust. Some of these may be above the levels you're talking about.
But in terms of heroes who are active in the marvel universe, I pick Quasar.
One of the Annihilators. Either Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill, Quasar, or Ronan. Nova is also supposed to be back soon.
According to "Point One" pics, it would be Garthan Saal, not Rider. And... Ronan?
Ronan is physically the weakest, but he has some good energy manipulation. As shown when none of the other Annihilators could beat the imposter Dr. Dredd until Ronan figured out how to do it. And also when he helped merge the stars.
But he is also too slow and he rather used matter manipulation there.
@Owie said:
@czarny_samael666 said:
@Owie said:
Someone like Hope or Rachel? Or Exodus? I don't know Graviton or Adam Warlock's current situations. Is High Evolutionary too high? Quasar?
1.Hope didn't show anything for this moment. 2.Rachel doesn't have Phoenix Force anymore. 3.Exodus has to weak TP or TK to be in that level. 4.Wasn't Graviton depowered? 5.Adam is dead. 6.High Evo is supposed to be on Galactus level. 7.Annihilators and Blue Marvel have currently most votes. So You choose Quasar?
I know Rachel doesn't have the PF, but she is still supposed to be an omega level mutant on her own. But she doesn't have a lot of feats on that basis right now, I agree.
I think Quasar is the most powerful Anniilator. I had been thinking about Blue Marvel too, but I don't think he has the diversity of powers necessary to take on a more cosmic opponent. So yes, I vote Quasar right now.
Are we also counting villains? There are ones like Maelstrom, Terminus, Apocalypse, Grandmaster, Overmind, Stardust. Some of these may be above the levels you're talking about.
But in terms of heroes who are active in the marvel universe, I pick Quasar.
All, not only heroes.
Are these people alive? Maelstrom is in Oblivion's realm, Apoclaypse isn't that powerfull IMO and he is supposed to be death to my knowledge. Stardust is a good choice. I've thought that Grandmaster and Overmind are dead too.
All, not only heroes. Are these people alive? Maelstrom is in Oblivion's realm, Apoclaypse isn't that powerfull IMO and he is supposed to be death to my knowledge. Stardust is a good choice. I've thought that Grandmaster and Overmind are dead too.
Characters that go into Oblivion's realm do not exist anymore. It's worst then Death because at death, you have a chance coming back.
All, not only heroes. Are these people alive? Maelstrom is in Oblivion's realm, Apoclaypse isn't that powerfull IMO and he is supposed to be death to my knowledge. Stardust is a good choice. I've thought that Grandmaster and Overmind are dead too.
Characters that go into Oblivion's realm do not exist anymore. It's worst then Death because at death, you have a chance coming back.
Not if Oblivion will choose them to be his messenger or avatar.
@czarny_samael666: In that case, would Legion count? He's a universe warper so he might be above Skyfather level if all his powers are taken into account. And yeah, it was a pretty bad story. That whole thing with the World Tree Seed wasn't explained at all, I have no idea what they were fighting for. And Surfer's writing was dreadfully out of character in the last issue. And where did Thor's beard just spring from?
1.As You've said Legion is above Skyfathers - so he is banned. 2.I don't know what was worse - Surfer's speach or Odin's fight with Galactus. And according to that comic, Thor is (was in Fear Itself) depowered a little... 3.IDK what are they doing with his beard. There was a "Loeb Force" once... IMO "Fraction Power" is above that one.
was thor depowered, when did that happen? i believe he was hurt and bleeding energy, but i didn't read anywhere that he was depowered.
@czarny_samael666: In that case, would Legion count? He's a universe warper so he might be above Skyfather level if all his powers are taken into account. And yeah, it was a pretty bad story. That whole thing with the World Tree Seed wasn't explained at all, I have no idea what they were fighting for. And Surfer's writing was dreadfully out of character in the last issue. And where did Thor's beard just spring from?
1.As You've said Legion is above Skyfathers - so he is banned. 2.I don't know what was worse - Surfer's speach or Odin's fight with Galactus. And according to that comic, Thor is (was in Fear Itself) depowered a little... 3.IDK what are they doing with his beard. There was a "Loeb Force" once... IMO "Fraction Power" is above that one.
was thor depowered, when did that happen? i believe he was hurt and bleeding energy, but i didn't read anywhere that he was depowered.
That is why I've said "a little". I belive that he simply isn't as durable as he was normally.
@czarny_samael666: In that case, would Legion count? He's a universe warper so he might be above Skyfather level if all his powers are taken into account. And yeah, it was a pretty bad story. That whole thing with the World Tree Seed wasn't explained at all, I have no idea what they were fighting for. And Surfer's writing was dreadfully out of character in the last issue. And where did Thor's beard just spring from?
1.As You've said Legion is above Skyfathers - so he is banned. 2.I don't know what was worse - Surfer's speach or Odin's fight with Galactus. And according to that comic, Thor is (was in Fear Itself) depowered a little... 3.IDK what are they doing with his beard. There was a "Loeb Force" once... IMO "Fraction Power" is above that one.
was thor depowered, when did that happen? i believe he was hurt and bleeding energy, but i didn't read anywhere that he was depowered.
That is why I've said "a little". I belive that he simply isn't as durable as he was normally.
thats why i hate thor and jobberlactus, firts, thor fought with celestials, and next he loses almost all the times againts the hulk, surfer is the superduperuperpowerfull character but he loses to thor. X.x and now this patetic god odin destroy jobberlactus head... and in chaos war, hercules a moron character who hasnt brain saves the universe.... marvel think all his readers are stupid, mm well theres some here. but not all are so stupid
Don't bring Thor vs. Hulk here. Hulk isn't close to many people who can be place in this thread (like Quasar,Thor,BRB,Gladiator, etc.) And since when Apoc is alive? I thought that Archangel replace him, killed the child and is present in AoA, not 616? Besides, I don't think that Apoc was ever as good as Herald/Thor level beings.
And this whole story was the biggest bu##sh## in Marvel in last years. If no - I want to see bigger. Really. Even in Chaos War we've didn't seen anything like that and Siege was later explained a little by probably only What If, that can be bring to canon-debate.
@Shamelesslysupportinaznballers said:
@czarny_samael666: Surfer should still have the same powers as long as he stays on Earth. It's only when he goes away from Earth, the weaker he becomes.
As for his human form, I took it as Surfer can look that way if he chooses to, I could be wrong.
According to what Galactus said Surfer is currently imprison on Earth and will be weaker and weaker. Probably to find seed faster. Besides, Fraction will write Defenders with Strange, Surfer, Namor and at least two Hulks in it. We also know that Iron Fist is currently Agamotto's Avatar, so new WIS and changing history is coming. Why Gillen can't make all Marvel comics? Besides small mistakes, he and PAD writes his comic in very intresting and inteligent way. For example, who before him used mutant's powers as he did agaisnt Kuurth? Or who tried to explain why other gods don't attack Serpent? Most of people he used, were forgotten. And PAD's X-Factor is probably the best Marvel series a long with UXM right now. I know that Marvel movies >>>>>>>> DC movies, which gives Marvel much more money than comics, but still... It is just simply sad.
the new ultimates is also a very good comic, in my opinion. thor should have killed the hulk like he killed the worthy thing, nuff said. is was the worst arc ever. and when you thought it could get a little less bad, nothing happened....absolutely nothing. by the way, gillen is a great writter. journey in to mistery is a great comic.
I think I have to go with Thor here (if he is allowed).
IMO he is more powerful than any of the annihilators were with the execption of the SS who is now depowered and Thor is slightly above both BRB and Quasar.
To the people saying Blue Marvel it was probably meant as a joke but Blue Marvel does not have nearly enough showings to rank him here.
Earlier when he Kuurth still had Juggernauts power Thor said he could not beat him.Kuurth lost the power Cyttorak granted him so I believe if Thor fought him now he would kill him.
That is why I've said "a little". I belive that he simply isn't as durable as he was normally.
Evidence?
Of Thor being hurt? Something like this: Thor's wound ?
He also got the bloody nose when he headbutted the SS and then, as you posted the remarks about, there was the gash on his midsection from the tree when it grabbed him.
Also didn't the Silver surfer get a dent on his head when Thor gave him that headbutt?
I think I have to go with Thor here (if he is allowed). IMO he is more powerful than any of the annihilators were with the execption of the SS who is now depowered and Thor is slightly above both BRB and Quasar. To the people saying Blue Marvel it was probably meant as a joke but Blue Marvel does not have nearly enough showings to rank him here. Earlier when he Kuurth still had Juggernauts power Thor said he could not beat him.Kuurth lost the power Cyttorak granted him so I believe if Thor fought him now he would kill him.
Thor fought with Nul and said that about Nul. Which was a sarcasm IMO, since in next panel he defeated him. O_O
So... From "clear" answers (becuase some people bringed too powerfull people or those who already died): We have for now: @tim2081 : with one of Annihilators @demifiendwith Blue Marvel @Owie with Quasar and @CapitolPunishment : & @dccomicsrule2011 with Thor.
That is why I've said "a little". I belive that he simply isn't as durable as he was normally.
Evidence?
Of Thor being hurt? Something like this: Thor's wound ?
He also got the bloody nose when he headbutted the SS and then, as you posted the remarks about, there was the gash on his midsection from the tree when it grabbed him. Also didn't the Silver surfer get a dent on his head when Thor gave him that headbutt?
I wasn't talking about this specific fight. Surfer was holding back, to this (scan) moment, which gived him only one panel, becuase in next Sif came to them and stop their battle. I've post it to prove that Thor's wound makes him weaker.
I wasn't talking about this specific fight. Surfer was holding back, to this (scan) moment, which gived him only one panel, becuase in next Sif came to them and stop their battle. I've post it to prove that Thor's wound makes him weaker.
I was agreeing with you :).
i know that it was stated on panel many times throughout that story so far that the wound made him weaker, not only that Loki was on a journey to save his life because it seemed that he would die from that wound.
The bad writing however seemed to contradict that, Thor put on a great showing in that entire battle against the Silver Surfer and even gave Galactus a good whack. Even when he was not weakened in the past he did not do so well against them. That whole story had allot of bad writing IMO and the comics were all way to short.
@czarny_samael666: As bad as this was, Ultimatum was a million times worse.
And Marvel makes more movies than DC. Not necessarily better ones.
well i havent seen a marvel movie better than dark knight, in fact marvel movies suck, example, fantastic four, ghost rider, elektra, daredevil, etc etc etc
I agree the best comic movie I've seen in the last ten years was The Dark Knight, heck even Batman Begins was awesome already. Movies like Thor, Iron Man and Captain America were good but not even close to The Dark Knight.
@czarny_samael666: As bad as this was, Ultimatum was a million times worse.
And Marvel makes more movies than DC. Not necessarily better ones.
well i havent seen a marvel movie better than dark knight, in fact marvel movies suck, example, fantastic four, ghost rider, elektra, daredevil, etc etc etc
I agree the best comic movie I've seen in the last ten years was The Dark Knight, heck even Batman Begins was awesome already. Movies like Thor, Iron Man and Captain America were good but not even close to The Dark Knight.
@czarny_samael666: As bad as this was, Ultimatum was a million times worse.
And Marvel makes more movies than DC. Not necessarily better ones.
well i havent seen a marvel movie better than dark knight, in fact marvel movies suck, example, fantastic four, ghost rider, elektra, daredevil, etc etc etc
Green Lantern and Superman Returns were both as bad as any of the marvel movies you mentioned.
@czarny_samael666: As bad as this was, Ultimatum was a million times worse.
And Marvel makes more movies than DC. Not necessarily better ones.
well i havent seen a marvel movie better than dark knight, in fact marvel movies suck, example, fantastic four, ghost rider, elektra, daredevil, etc etc etc
Green Lantern and Superman Returns were both as bad as any of the marvel movies you mentioned.
nope, they are bad but not as bad as any i mentioned. andddd no marvel movie is so good like dark knight.
I think I have to go with Thor here (if he is allowed). IMO he is more powerful than any of the annihilators were with the execption of the SS who is now depowered and Thor is slightly above both BRB and Quasar. To the people saying Blue Marvel it was probably meant as a joke but Blue Marvel does not have nearly enough showings to rank him here. Earlier when he Kuurth still had Juggernauts power Thor said he could not beat him.Kuurth lost the power Cyttorak granted him so I believe if Thor fought him now he would kill him.
@demifiend: I think it was funny for a good part, and it had some pretty good action, sure the acting wasn't that great, neither was the script, but I still liked it, I was entertained and that's what a movie should do. Sure there are better movies like The Dark Knight, but Thor was overall a good movie. Perhaps I'm just easy to please, any minute I'm not in school is already a blessing.
@czarny_samael666: This is what Galactus said to Surfer
"You shall not be bound to this place, Surfer, but TETHERED to it. The further you stray, the weaker you'll become."
Surfer is not a prisoner of Earth, as long as he stays on Earth he will be fine and have his powers intact. He just can't go space exploring for too long.
@czarny_samael666: As bad as this was, Ultimatum was a million times worse.
And Marvel makes more movies than DC. Not necessarily better ones.
well i havent seen a marvel movie better than dark knight, in fact marvel movies suck, example, fantastic four, ghost rider, elektra, daredevil, etc etc etc
Green Lantern and Superman Returns were both as bad as any of the marvel movies you mentioned.
nope, they are bad but not as bad as any i mentioned. andddd no marvel movie is so good like dark knight.
X-men First Class or X-men 2 united..maybe better
In general the whole X-men movieverse was good ,except for X3 and Origins.
@TheMightyAvenger: I personally enjoyed Iron Man 1 more than Batman Begins and w/o Heath Ledger's death, I don't think the 2nd one would've done as well as it did. Don't get me wrong, both Batman movies were great but Christian Bale as Batman killed it for me while RDJ made me believe he was Iron Man. If the villains for both Batman movies weren't such great actors, it would've been crap.
But anyway, Marvel consistently have better Movies than DC and even the crappy ones are such huge box office hits that they will ok a sequel or 2.
@Shamelesslysupportinaznballers: Well, I disagree I really like Bale as Batman, I mean he is better than George Clooney, well at least I think he is. Also it's not just the actors, the director is freaking great, Cristopher Nolan rocks, also yeah both Heath Ledger and Lian Neeson were great in both movies. As for Marvel, they made much more movies this last years then DC, honestly the last 2 aside from Batman were Superman Returns, which was awfull, and Green Lantern. that was even worse, so it's normal for Marvel to have better movies. I'm really looking forward to The Man of Steel though.
@demifiend: true, but they've also got Thor, Captain America, Iron Man, X2, Spider-Man 2, Blade.
thor sucks. i like iron man,
@CitizenBane said:
Yeah, Thor was boring.
ARE YOU MAD?!?!?!??!? THOR WAS AWESOME!
Thor's central character was boring, it's supporting characters were boring, its villain was dull as ditchwater, and the 3D was horrible. Anthony Hopkins was the only thing good about it.
@czarny_samael666: As bad as this was, Ultimatum was a million times worse.
And Marvel makes more movies than DC. Not necessarily better ones.
well i havent seen a marvel movie better than dark knight, in fact marvel movies suck, example, fantastic four, ghost rider, elektra, daredevil, etc etc etc
Green Lantern and Superman Returns were both as bad as any of the marvel movies you mentioned.
nope, they are bad but not as bad as any i mentioned. andddd no marvel movie is so good like dark knight.
X-men First Class or X-men 2 united..maybe better
In general the whole X-men movieverse was good ,except for X3 and Origins.
X1 was not that good. X2 was great, First Class was good.
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