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#1 Posted by NEEK_03 (1199 posts) - - Show Bio

I've been thinkin about it lately and which character that has worn a symbiote is the strongest. For example was Venom strongest with Brock, Gargon, or Flash, were any of them able to beat Kasady as carnage? What about antiVenom or Toxin?

Anyone able to help?

Let the Battle of the Symbiotes begin!

#2 Posted by SlimJ87D (8908 posts) - - Show Bio

This topic has actually been done before and has been done quite a bit.

#3 Posted by NEEK_03 (1199 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D: whoops. lol....care to post the link?

#4 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio
Toxin
#5 Posted by SlimJ87D (8908 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001 said:

Toxin

I don't know, he is pretty weak against sonics. Very weak, he got KOed by a sonic spray.

#6 Posted by VenomousDragon (843 posts) - - Show Bio

Venom was best with Eddie, Flash can still surpass him but as of now he hasent. Eddie can and has beaten carnage as venom, Flash didnt really fight carnage, which made me sad, i wanted to see it. toxin is supposed to have the best stats but antivenom's (not an actual symbiote) very nature allows him to defeat any other symbiote.

#7 Posted by GrandSymbiote94 (11353 posts) - - Show Bio
@VenomousDragon said:

Venom was best with Eddie, Flash can still surpass him but as of now he hasent. Eddie can and has beaten carnage as venom, Flash didnt really fight carnage, which made me sad, i wanted to see it. toxin is supposed to have the best stats but antivenom's (not an actual symbiote) very nature allows him to defeat any other symbiote.

This.
#8 Edited by Strider92 (15255 posts) - - Show Bio

Best Stats: Toxin

Best Feats: Carnage

Who would win in a Fight: Anti-venom

Most Versatile: Venom (Brock)

If we're going simply on the one who has the best feats and merit behind them I have to say its Carnage. Recently that guy has been pretty insane. Possessing the Avengers, overriding Iron Mans own technology etc....

#9 Posted by VenomousDragon (843 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D: And he was said to be the symbiote who was most resistant to both weaknesses -.-

#10 Posted by Mega_spidey01 (3078 posts) - - Show Bio

toxin

#11 Posted by SlimJ87D (8908 posts) - - Show Bio

@VenomousDragon said:

@SlimJ87D: And he was said to be the symbiote who was most resistant to both weaknesses -.-

That was always BS to me. Eddie in the Venom symbiote has always been the most impressive. He was in a burning building and took an RPG to the face.

#12 Posted by NEEK_03 (1199 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92: @VenomousDragon: thanks, you guys pretty much summed up what i wanted to know. so Gargon was the worst venom/symbiote incarnation?

#13 Posted by VenomousDragon (843 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D: Later on he was shown to be highly resistant to fire and carnage was supposed to be resistant to sonics but not fire.

#14 Posted by SlimJ87D (8908 posts) - - Show Bio

@VenomousDragon said:

@SlimJ87D: Later on he was shown to be highly resistant to fire and carnage was supposed to be resistant to sonics but not fire.

I think Venom has good resistance to sonics as well. He was tied up over fire and shot and tortured with a sonic gun for awhile in the statue of liberty. Eddie is still the most impressive symbiote either as Venom or Anti-Venom when it comes to experience and skill.

#15 Posted by Strider92 (15255 posts) - - Show Bio

@NEEK_03 said:

@Strider92: @VenomousDragon: thanks, you guys pretty much summed up what i wanted to know. so Gargon was the worst venom/symbiote incarnation?

Well when he wasn't jobbing he was actually pretty good. In terms of physical ability he is far above Flash and Brock. He's not really the worst just the least liked.

#16 Edited by VenomousDragon (843 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92: Technically macs powers should have been carried over to flash just like peters were carried over to brock.

Mac sucked thats the end of it, when did he use any of the suits powers other than its strength and durability? he was a stupid cannibal. spider man summed up his entire run as venom in one sentence.

I agree. Eddie is may favourite host

#17 Posted by NEEK_03 (1199 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92: Yeah what i dont understand is how he wasnt leagues ahead, i mean he already had the powers of scorpion, why wouldnt they have enhanced him that much more?

#18 Posted by VenomousDragon (843 posts) - - Show Bio

@NEEK_03:He had Eddies peak strength plus his own, 25+15=40

#19 Posted by KRYPTON (1886 posts) - - Show Bio

Venom is the strongest symbiote, the first symbiote is always the strongest. No matter what.

#20 Posted by Strider92 (15255 posts) - - Show Bio

@NEEK_03 said:

@Strider92: Yeah what i dont understand is how he wasnt leagues ahead, i mean he already had the powers of scorpion, why wouldnt they have enhanced him that much more?

Bad writing i'm afraid. Mac had all the potential to be a great incarnation but he was screwed over by bad writing. In fact he made a beastly looking Venom but no-one ever took advantage of this:

@VenomousDragon said:

@Strider92: Technically macs powers should have been carried over to flash just like peters were carried over to brock.

I could be wrong but from what I understood the drugs Flash takes limits Venom's abilites a bit like the serum Osborn gave Mac to make him the Sinister Spider-man. From what I understood the reason Flash isn't a 40tonner is beacuse of the drugs that stops Venom taking over.

@KRYPTON said:

Venom is the strongest symbiote, the first symbiote is always the strongest. No matter what.

This isn't true actually every symbiote born after the first has been stronger than the previous one due to earths atmosphere. Carnage could slaughter Venom.

#21 Posted by VenomousDragon (843 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@NEEK_03 said:

@Strider92: Yeah what i dont understand is how he wasnt leagues ahead, i mean he already had the powers of scorpion, why wouldnt they have enhanced him that much more?

Bad writing i'm afraid. Mac had all the potential to be a great incarnation but he was screwed over by bad writing. In fact he made a beastly looking Venom but no-one ever took advantage of this:

@VenomousDragon said:

@Strider92: Technically macs powers should have been carried over to flash just like peters were carried over to brock.

I could be wrong but from what I understood the drugs Flash takes limits Venom's abilites a bit like the serum Osborn gave Mac to make him the Sinister Spider-man. From what I understood the reason Flash isn't a 40tonner is beacuse of the drugs that stops Venom taking over.

@KRYPTON said:

Venom is the strongest symbiote, the first symbiote is always the strongest. No matter what.

This isn't true actually every symbiote born after the first has been stronger than the previous one due to earths atmosphere. Carnage could slaughter Venom.

And yet eddie got the better of cletus multiple times. I hate giant monster venom, hes not the hulk.

#22 Edited by Strider92 (15255 posts) - - Show Bio

@VenomousDragon: I can only recall 2 times. Once during the Toxin saga where he got a train to run him over then once more in Maximum Carnage where he had help from multiple other hero's (Spider-man, Morbius, Captain America etc..). Whereas Carnage has shown to be able to beat Brock quite a few more occasions.

He beat both Spider-man and Brock at the same time during their first encounter. He then beat Brock again during their second encounter and would have killed him if spider-man hadn't saved him:

Then during Maximum Carnage Cletetus beat Brock down again and could have killed him. He had him chained up over a fire. Not sure how Brock got out of that one. I think the rest of the hero's turned up. Not to mention Carnage has better feats now thanks to him soloing an Avengers team and fighting both Spider-man and Iron man at the same time.

#23 Posted by TDK_1997 (13670 posts) - - Show Bio

Best feats - Carnage

Would win the most in a fight against the others - Anti-Venom.

#24 Posted by KRYPTON (1886 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@NEEK_03 said:

@Strider92: Yeah what i dont understand is how he wasnt leagues ahead, i mean he already had the powers of scorpion, why wouldnt they have enhanced him that much more?

Bad writing i'm afraid. Mac had all the potential to be a great incarnation but he was screwed over by bad writing. In fact he made a beastly looking Venom but no-one ever took advantage of this:

@VenomousDragon said:

@Strider92: Technically macs powers should have been carried over to flash just like peters were carried over to brock.

I could be wrong but from what I understood the drugs Flash takes limits Venom's abilites a bit like the serum Osborn gave Mac to make him the Sinister Spider-man. From what I understood the reason Flash isn't a 40tonner is beacuse of the drugs that stops Venom taking over.

@KRYPTON said:

Venom is the strongest symbiote, the first symbiote is always the strongest. No matter what.

This isn't true actually every symbiote born after the first has been stronger than the previous one due to earths atmosphere. Carnage could slaughter Venom.

Yes, but for those symbiote's to have their strength, they'd have to be the offspring of the original symbiote. Thus making Venom the strongest, strength is only measured by power, if anything at all, Venom is possibly the smartest and most cunning out of all the other symbiote's

#25 Posted by Nefarious (17622 posts) - - Show Bio

Anti-Venom.

#26 Posted by slacker the hacker (7775 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nefarious said:

Anti-Venom.
#27 Edited by VenomousDragon (843 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@VenomousDragon: I can only recall 2 times. Once during the Toxin saga where he got a train to run him over then once more in Maximum Carnage where he had help from multiple other hero's (Spider-man, Morbius, Captain America etc..). Whereas Carnage has shown to be able to beat Brock quite a few more occasions.

He beat both Spider-man and Brock at the same time during their first encounter. He then beat Brock again during their second encounter and would have killed him if spider-man hadn't saved him:

Then during Maximum Carnage Cletetus beat Brock down again and could have killed him. He had him chained up over a fire. Not sure how Brock got out of that one. I think the rest of the hero's turned up. Not to mention Carnage has better feats now thanks to him soloing an Avengers team and fighting both Spider-man and Iron man at the same time.

Brock owned cletus three times during maximum carnage and could have killed him but was stopped by spider-man. Only during his first appearances has carnage been shown as blatantly superior. he also aborbed the original carnage symbiote.

#28 Posted by Strider92 (15255 posts) - - Show Bio

@VenomousDragon: If I recall correctly the time Spider-man stopped him was after Carnage had been hit with a very big sonic gun and was severely weakened.

#29 Posted by jashro44 (16462 posts) - - Show Bio

@VenomousDragon said:

@Strider92 said:

@VenomousDragon: I can only recall 2 times. Once during the Toxin saga where he got a train to run him over then once more in Maximum Carnage where he had help from multiple other hero's (Spider-man, Morbius, Captain America etc..). Whereas Carnage has shown to be able to beat Brock quite a few more occasions.

He beat both Spider-man and Brock at the same time during their first encounter. He then beat Brock again during their second encounter and would have killed him if spider-man hadn't saved him:

Then during Maximum Carnage Cletetus beat Brock down again and could have killed him. He had him chained up over a fire. Not sure how Brock got out of that one. I think the rest of the hero's turned up. Not to mention Carnage has better feats now thanks to him soloing an Avengers team and fighting both Spider-man and Iron man at the same time.

Brock owned cletus three times during maximum carnage and could have killed him but was stopped by spider-man. Only during his first appearances has carnage been shown as blatantly superior. he also aborbed the original carnage symbiote.

Neither were at 100% in maximum carnage.

#30 Edited by VenomousDragon (843 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92:Brock pushed carnage into a transformer knocking off both of there suits, Eddies reformed first and then he was going to crush him with a truck, if i recall correctly.

Ya the crazy guy was crazier than usual and brock had been tortured.

#31 Posted by NEEK_03 (1199 posts) - - Show Bio

ive always thought carnage>venom too. but i was unsure where all the other venoms stood and toxin. anti venom would beat the other symbiotes but is he better then them, for instance could he beat more powerful ppl?

Gargon should have been the most powerful symbiote due to him already having super abilities, they should have got enhanced, more so then just his strength and durability, what happened to his tail? and if spiderman were to ever get the symbiote back, he should be a freaking beast. more so then he already is. :)

#32 Posted by BringnIt (3777 posts) - - Show Bio

@VenomousDragon what issue numbers did said ownage occur? Anyway, as to OP, I agree Carnage has the best feats, Toxin has the best stats as far as I know (not sure how he compares to Scorn) and Angelo was the worst Venom.

#33 Edited by Strider92 (15255 posts) - - Show Bio

@VenomousDragon:

You're referring to this moment? Both him and Carnage where out for the count.

@BringnIt: He's referring to Maximum Carnage but it wasn't Venom alone (Cloak and Dagger, Spider-man, Morbius, Captain America, Black Cat and Iron Fist where all involved in the fights).

#34 Edited by VenomousDragon (843 posts) - - Show Bio

@NEEK_03: The carnage suit>the venom suit (aside from camouflage the carnage suit never showed that ability) however Eddie>Cletus so it works out.

Gargan sucked thats how he was written, thats the end of it, its like ares, ares should have been a super skilled powerhouse but he wasnt.

Ya Thats them and if you look you see eddie's suit reforming while he is sitting by that truck i was talking about, I remember him trying to crush him with it tho, oh well.

You seem to like to forget that venom only went to find back up because carnage already had back up.

#35 Posted by NEEK_03 (1199 posts) - - Show Bio

@VenomousDragon: yeah i know eddie has way more experience with a symbiote, and as a person he is physically stronger so that gave him better attributes but, the carnage suit had more/better abilities. i just thought the gap put carnage ahead. what about this though?

ive always thought carnage>venom too. but i was unsure where all the other venoms stood and toxin. anti venom would beat the other symbiotes but is he better then them, for instance could he beat more powerful ppl?

Gargon should have been the most powerful symbiote due to him already having super abilities, they should have got enhanced, more so then just his strength and durability, what happened to his tail? and if spiderman were to ever get the symbiote back, he should be a freaking beast. more so then he already is. :)

#36 Posted by jashro44 (16462 posts) - - Show Bio

@VenomousDragon: Yes also there is evidence that the weapon used on shriek, demo goblin, carnage and the others weakened carnage. When the weapon was used on demo goblin he passed out and later when black cat shows up and starts to help when carnage is about to finish spider-man she hurts him. Either that or there was some pis involved.

Either way I really wouldn't trust maximum carnage.

#37 Edited by VenomousDragon (843 posts) - - Show Bio

@NEEK_03: Antivenom was both more durable any other symbiote( he had no weaknesses and a great healing factor ) and the healing power thats upper limits were never explored, in fact there is a genuine argument that could be made for it healing mutations, When you take that and combine it the fact Eddie is the most skilled host you get a real beast. so yes AV can defeat more powerful people.

it certainly isnt the greatest..

#38 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

Best Stats: Toxin

Best Feats: Carnage

Who would win in a Fight: Anti-venom

Most Versatile: Venom (Brock)

If we're going simply on the one who has the best feats and merit behind them I have to say its Carnage. Recently that guy has been pretty insane. Possessing the Avengers, overriding Iron Mans own technology etc....

#39 Posted by NEEK_03 (1199 posts) - - Show Bio

@VenomousDragon: thanks for the info man.

#40 Posted by VenomousDragon (843 posts) - - Show Bio

@NEEK_03: No problem.

#41 Posted by ALMIGHTY (596 posts) - - Show Bio

Spawn is the strongest symbiote.

#42 Posted by Almighty_Darkseid (1724 posts) - - Show Bio

carnage

#43 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

Best Stats: Toxin

Best Feats: Carnage

Who would win in a Fight: Anti-venom

Most Versatile: Venom (Brock)

This.

#44 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

@ALMIGHTY said:

Spawn is the strongest symbiote.

Spawn is not a symbiote.

#45 Edited by Strider92 (15255 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001 said:

@ALMIGHTY said:

Spawn is the strongest symbiote.

Spawn is not a symbiote.

Actually Spawns suit is referred to as a symbiote (as Spawn was created by Todd McFarlane the same guy who created Venom liked his idea so much he put it in his own comic) but it's not an alien its some kind of undead ecto-plasm but it is very much a symbiote its a living suit and quite a few characters refer to it as a symbiote.

I don't think that really has any bearing here though as the op wants alien symbiotes and Spawn's one is born of supernatural means not extra-terrestrial life. So I think we should discount Spawn for the moment lol.

#46 Posted by TheCannon (16060 posts) - - Show Bio

Are we talking about pure strength, or who would win?

IF it's just strength, I have to go with Gargan.

It it's who wins, I say Carnage.

#47 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

Bad writing i'm afraid. Mac had all the potential to be a great incarnation but he was screwed over by bad writing. In fact he made a beastly looking Venom but no-one ever took advantage of this:

Man, Gargan has always been a lame fighter.

#48 Posted by mtrakos (517 posts) - - Show Bio

carnage

#49 Posted by Strider92 (15255 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deadcool said:

@Strider92 said:

Bad writing i'm afraid. Mac had all the potential to be a great incarnation but he was screwed over by bad writing. In fact he made a beastly looking Venom but no-one ever took advantage of this:

Man, Gargan has always been a lame fighter.

Upgraded Gargan was pretty bada$$. He took on Spidey, Luke Cage and Iron Fist. Its a pity they took that upgrade away T.T:

#50 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (2343 posts) - - Show Bio

Toxin.

I.A.T.