Who is faster than the flash

@superlightning123: Wally can beat Goku with speed, quite easily.

It's the same for Flash. Time is relative. i seem to recall an instance in the N52(or something along those line) where after a fight Green lantern asked Flash to clean up saying "It'll take like 3 seconds." and Flash replied with "yeah to you, to me that's hours of work."

of course I could be completely wrong.

Wally could beat Goku without lifting a finger, but unless someone wants to make a CaV (however hilariously short this would be), it's not something to be discussed.

Most definitely, the match-up would be a bloodbath, Wally would railroad nearly all characters in the DBZ universe.

Flash has outraced instantaneous teleportation before

Shouldnt be in battle forums

He isn't. But Flash will drown.

@aquaguy: In no way is Arthur even a fraction of Wally's speed

Wouldn't Flash want to race Aquaman by running on top of water? Anyways, Flash can run around the world before he runs out of air

Archie Sonic

by that logic so is Nightcrawler...

if flash went into the future and met a more athletic version of himself then yes the future flash is faster then flash if my logic is sound

LMAO Batman with 1hr prep all he needs is half an hour

To Aru's Aleister Crowley unless omnipresent doesn't count in the thread

@lvenger said:

@superlightning123 said:

@greatcaesarsghost:

its Instant. Daizenshuu says so. the only way anyone could beat that is if they handle there business before goku uses the move

Except that Wally has outraced Instant teleportation before and therefore that makes him>>>Goku's Instant Transmission let alone Goku's combat speed I'm afraid. I know you're a Goku fanboy and all but you can't deny the evidence for what it is.

Sorry for quoting you Lvenger, but Lightning pointed me out to this thread to see what you said on the matter for myself and I must agree that Wally is a lot faster than Goku's reaction speed before he can use instant transmission, I don't think anyone would disagree there. So although I can't really deny that claim, but basing this feat against instantaneous movement and saying that Wally is faster than that raises a lot of question to Wally's other feats and people able to keep up with him in general. It's either because Wally is holding back more times than not, or because the characters that have kept up with him are all instant speed too if he doesn't hold his speed back when he fights. I'm sure you could see where i'm coming from here and I don't completely disagree with the feat, but it's pretty contradictory to his others and thus I would mostly concur with it being hyperbole, unless there's a legitimate explanation of course.

Not silver surfer

Nuh Uh, Lmao

Hey Pope no problems there. In regards to your comments, I can't say I agree on Goku's Instant transmission being able to outpace Wally given the nature of this feat and other times he's outraced teleporters. There's another showing where Queen Bee teleports away from Wally and Wonder Woman after losing a battle and Wally is already at her destination when she teleports there. This isn't just a one off occurrence, this has happened plenty of times before which is what I based my comment on. Though I do also see where you're coming from. Plus, in the feat itself, Wally races around Superman and Jay Garrick a million times which, whilst high end, is nothing to be scoffed at nor is it wholly out of Wally's reach to accomplish. That lends credence to the possibility he can outrace and intercept instant teleportation which is what he literally does in the feat I provided.

@lvenger:

Ah I see, I thought it was just a once off instance, then I do agree that Wally is faster than instant transmission.

Bart already beat the sh*t out of him

DC Herpes

Me during sex... just kidding I don't get sex *cries in a corner*

How about Kamen Rider Kabuto and all the others on Clock up mode?

Hmm surprising, I'd thought the whole "It's instant" argument would be supported by you. I can at least see the validity of that point even if I don't agree with it.

Not many people to be honest but too list a few.

Lucifer, Michael, Spectre, Mr Mxyzptlk, and any other omnipotents/nigh omnipotents

Zoom (if you count time manip?)

Now for people who are close to that level.

Silver Surfer, Proffessor Zoom, and Runner

Any time traveler/teleporter

I told you guys already, Batman with 1 hour prep can beat Flash in a race around the world by stepping backwards and forwards

Silver Age Superman(probably)

Any Omnipresent character

Enrico Pucci(if given enough time)

Flash can do that before Batman can, your argument is moot.

@sirneko: i was joking

@lvenger:

Oh I would have backed up the argument of "instant" if I could, but the scan you posted here is very applicable to that type of movement, so even if Flash's speed and instant transmission could be equally argued against one another, it's just that Flash is fast enough to prevent Goku from activating it in the first place. Say if Goku managed to spam instant transmission to multiple places, Flash would likely intercept him before he makes the next move. I don't think I could argue that Goku could keep up with Wally's speed though, in order to react before he speed-blitzes, and i'm sure you'd agree with that. By the way, is there a pin you can put Wally's speed on? I know he's many times faster than light, but is there an exact figure? I've seen some say the speed force is limitless, then some say he's literally trillions of times faster than light, and then others say he's limited to light speed. I just don't know who to trust, ;P

I think sonic might be faster but i don't know. It might be a tie because sonic has done some similar feats. Remember sonic's top speed is unknown. So sonic might be faster it's a close one. But i know someone who i think might be faster than the flash. I think Speedy Gonzales beat the Flash in a race before.

I know you were joking, but the joke didn't make sense making the joke moot as well.

@sirneko:

Dawwww loosen up, man

@pope052: -_______________________-

Teleportation isn't speed, it's always been acknowledged as it's own separate thing as both have there own merits and disadvantages.

The only reason people are saying otherwise is an attempt to give characters they like a win over flash in speed

Speed

the rate at which someone or something moves or operates or is able to move or operate.

Teleport

a hypothetical mode of instantaneous transportation; matter is dematerialized at one place and recreated at another

Goku via calculations

I know, but since the Flash did technically outrace instantaneous movement and coupled with the fact that he's faster than Goku in general, there's nothing much I could do to argue that Goku could win before the Flash does.

@pope052: that scan should be banned on the grounds of pure bad art work

@theamazingbatman: instant transmission is not a speed feat. IT isn't speed at al . . .

me.

@pope052: Wally was amped in that instance.Wally can outrun instantaneous teleportation but if it's like the distance in that scan, then Wally won't win

@reaverlation: Hmm. I was actually ready to vote Wally.

@jagernutt: Wally is still faster than Goku regardless.

@reaverlation: Alright. That's what I'm talking about.

I see, so if that's the case then I go back on my statement of Wally being faster than instant transmission under regular circumstances. Though he is still faster than Goku's reaction speed, so that's the problem. Goku wouldn't be able to use it quickly enough before Wally attacks him, but exactly how fast is Wally anyway? I know he's multiple times faster than light (as is Goku), but to what extent?