Who in Marvel can beat Captain Marvel?

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Captain Marvel is angry and is not holding back. Only heroes. He has help from Shazam.

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Silver surfer odin galactus just to name a few

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Pretty much any Phoenix avatar, the Fantastic Four, Moonstone, Rogue, probably Dr. Doom.

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Thor level and above

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http://www.comicvine.com/profile/godzilla07/lists/top-65-strongest-marvel-characters/40294/

Everyone on the list.

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Anyone from Hulk and above.

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@squares: Shazam would trash them, captain marvel would speed blitz them and strike down Torch with lightning. And anyways, F4 is not a superhero, it is a team.

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@ghostravage: but hulk loses. Marvel is probably as durable, about as strong, waaaaay smarter (wisdom of Solomon), intellect almost matching Batman, and much faster, allowing him to strike Hulk 10 times for Hulk's every one.

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....Longshot...Scarlett Witch, Xman, Franklin Richards,on and on......

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@chu42t said:

@ghostravage: but hulk loses. Marvel is probably as durable, about as strong, waaaaay smarter (wisdom of Solomon), intellect almost matching Batman, and much faster, allowing him to strike Hulk 10 times for Hulk's every one.

Wisdom =/= Intelligence

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@ghostravage: see http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/world-breaker-hulk-vs-captain-marvel-dc-585582/ for further info. And what could the Hulk possibly do to CM to hurt him? And remember Shazam the Wizard, a guy who can give Doctor Fate a run for his money, is also in this. Hulk can't defeat Captain Marvel, much less Shazam and CM

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Doom would make the power his

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@chu42t: Hulk can do the following to harm Captain Marvel:

  • Punch him.
  • Thuderclap him.
  • Smash him.

Shazam the Wizard has nothing to do with Captain Marvel's potential. At the very best, Shazam while using his magical plot device against Superman is "stalemate" him. The same doesn't apply to Hulk and Robert has a plethora of feats to suggest he's more than capable to bring the beat down on Captain Marvel, it is not a viceversa case.

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@dondave: Everyone but thor. CM is way faster, just as strong and durable, and he can also shoot lightning. Thor's hammer won't make a difference against the Captain's speed. The only difference between thor and CM is that thor can't speedblitz. And even if he does manage to beat CM, he wouldn't be able to face Shazam vastly weakened. BTW, that Thor vs Captain Marvel thing in the Marvel vs DC comic was total PIS, and based on popularity.

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#25  Edited By chu42t

@maddpanda531: intellect is knowledge, wisdom is an enhanced common sense and lateral thinking skill. You can know nothing about the world's things but still be wise in terms of actions.

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Magik could take both of them.

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Thought Robot

Spectre

Chaos War Hercules

HOG Ion

Franklin Richards

HOM Scarlet Witch

Phoenix

Martian Manhunter

Silver Surfer

Superman Prime One Million

Classic Dr Strange

Classic Dr Fate

Phantom Stranger

Stranger

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Lord Marvel

Rune King Thor

King Thor

Zero Hour Parallax

White Lantern Kyle Rayner

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#29  Edited By chu42t

@ghostravage: So can CM, but with a higher chance of success, cuz CM is faster. Shazam can beat Superman because Superman has no invulnerability against magic, making him just as vulnerable to it as the average human. And CM can lift 1/3rd of the earth. That is what I call a feat. Robby can punch him and all, that would hurt, but Billy can avoid the blows. Admittedly Hulk can tag speedsters, but of low level. A tag from Hulk does not have the capability to stop Marvel from getting back up and continuing.

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@chu42t: Hulk has counter measures for Billy's speed. Yet Hulk is his superior in pretty much ANY other physical field. By feats, by potential and by flat out prowess...

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You'd get a smaller list from asking who couldn't beat him.

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@ghostravage: I contacted Mark Waid (who wrote most of the Flash run in 1990's) asking him about a Captain Marvel/Flash crossover comic he wrote, in an email he responded by saying Captain Marvel is marginally slower than Flash. He also stated that Captain Marvel perceives in ''bullet time'' (with perception at Nanosecond or beyond, he can perceive the world frozen).

I also have no idea why you think it's just ''magic''; they have had more than 3 canon fights and writer statements which confirm them as physically on par, give or take, magic is not a weakness to solely Superman, it's that anyone is vulnerable to magic if they do not prove a resistance. On Saren's Thor/Hulk chronology thread, one of the fights has Thor one-shotting Hulk with magical lightning.

He can fly at lightspeed and BFR Hulk into space.

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@ghostravage: Remember Cap can lift 1/3rd of the earth. That is a World Breaker Hulk feat. CM has the stamina of Atlas (the Titan), strength of Hercules (Relate to the Marvel character), wisdom of Solomon (the wisest man that ever lived), speed of Mercury (faster than Wonder Woman) and the lightning of Shazam (more powerful than Gandalf's).

Physically Hulk is only on par with CM. And even if Hulk can beat CM, he would stand no chance vs a bloodlusted Shazam.

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#34  Edited By chu42t

@frozen: Do you mean Captain Mar-Vell of Marvel or Captain Marvel of this battle?

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a lot of characters. the powerhouse group is elite but still a massive amount of characters

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@kasino: Marvel is top--notch powerhouse himself...

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#38  Edited By Maddpanda531

@chu42t: That's my point. You used "The wisdom of Solomon" as a reason why he's smarter than the Hulk, which doesn't make sense. Wise =/= Smart

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@maddpanda531: hes smarter anyhow. It doesn't matter. Sorry for my mistake.

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@chu42t: Between 3 people it requires around 2 quintillion tons of force to overpower the gravitational pull of the Sun on the Earth, say, "move the Earth" not lift it since you don't "lift" things on space. That said, Hulk was pulling around 45 quintillion tons feats as Green Scar in Planet Hulk while he was weakened. Even in classic days Hulk was performing feats like these while freshly transformed during his fight against The Stranger. Hulk was already on that tier, in modern days Post- Core breach incarnations are solidly on that tier and feats like that are achievable by him without pushing things too far.

Physically Hulk is stronger than Thor, and pretty much every single hero that wanders on Earth and it was clearly stated in Marvel Facts Files #5 that after the core breach his strength was boosted to levels never seen before. That said, back in the day he was slugging it out with Classic Thor and other powerhouses who are fair and square stronger than Captain Marvel by feats, hype and biographical entries.

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You're putting too much emphasis on the Gods he's powered from, it worths nothing to mention them if they do not stand on the same ground as his hype, which is seemingly being equal to Superman even though he doesn't have feats at all to be decently compared to him. In a fight, Superman himself stated he has the advantage because he's powered by Magic, which essentially, is what actually gives Captain Marvel the chance to beat Superman, that said, the same can't be said for Hulk as they powerset works entirely different and Hulk is highly resistant pretty much EVERYTHING.

Shazam is irrelevant since Billy isn't on his tier either, moreover, this is between Hulk and Billy, i never mentioned Hulk as a possible match for Shazam the wizard.

@frozen Yes, i recognize the statements and the horrible hype Superman has given to Captain Marvel, but it worths nothing if Captain Marvel doesn't have the feats to hold it. Who cares if he can fight for a sustained time against Superman? Clark already stated in Public Enemies why he has the "advantage" against him, an advantage that doesn't seem to hinder Clarks overall Supremacy without plot devices like "being magically powered"...

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Marvel can have all the hype in the world, but he has no feats to compete with either Hulk or Superman. Are we going for the perception argument again? It doesn't matter if he can perceive fast things, looking at it in different perspective Hulk will be fighting a fast character that can move faster than him, not that the fight will be seemingly frozen in time and Marvel can do all the stuff he wants. Thunderclaps again, there isn't really a counter for them and i'm certain you can't come up with one.

About the Hulk vs Thor fight... It happened in Incredible Hulk Annual from 2001 and it was to show Hulk's rivalry with Thor, Hulk also was temporarily KO him for a few seconds... Literally, he wasn't even turned back into Banner, moreover this happened when Hulk actually got serious...

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That said, let's hit the point you're trying to exploit about the lightning. Hulk fought Thor while he had Warrior's Madness in Incredible Hulk #440 and he took HUGE lightnings in that fight and still kept fighting without tiring...

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He wasn't KO'd and it looked WAY greater than the one in the annual so that point is moot and Hulk shouldn't be KO'd for such a petty lightning even taking into account it was magically based. Moreover, Hulk took THIS lightning between Incredible Hulks #621 and #622...

Zeus lightnings by hype, something you clearly love to use, should be immensely deadlier than Thor's, moreover, before trying to imply this was Green Scar and Green Scar is stronger than regular Hulk and whatnot, the fact that the only real difference between this incarnations and past ones is the Core Breach makes these feats perfectly applicable to Hulk in general past that point given it was already confirmed in 2013 Marvel Facts Files #5 this boost was permanent as well as previously in 2007 in World War Hulk: Gamma Files...

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So no, i don't buy this utterly wrong notion of Hulk being weak enough for Thor to one shot him with such a petty lightning. Im not going to say Thor doesn't have the potential to one shot him since he has created HUGE lightnings, say, the size of Earth to deal with universal threats, but the instance you're trying to exploit is flawed and there's probably more instances to contradict it too.

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@ghostravage: About the thunderclaps thing, if you are faster than sound (which Marvel is many times over, btw) you can dodge and/or outrun them.

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@chu42t: Yeah, tell that to Quicksilver, Bluestreak, Jay Garrick, Power Girl and a freaking endless list.

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#43  Edited By frozen  Moderator

@ghostravage: :

Yes, i recognize the statements and the horrible hype Superman has given to Captain Marvel, but it worths nothing if Captain Marvel doesn't have the feats to hold it. Who cares if he can fight for a sustained time against Superman?

Feats to hold what? What do you expect characters to do? Superman and Captain Marvel had a clear arm-wrestle in Power of Shazam series and Billy only lost because his power was split 1/3, he fought Superman again in Superman #102 and matched him, and the official handbook + an array of writer statements put them at a match. There is more than enough evidence to suggest they are equal in strength. The only time Superman seemed stronger was a fight in which he punched Billy to Hawaii and he was amped (via Eclipso) in that fight. Nothing suggests Superman is far stronger when they actually fight, they are on relatively equal footing. Call it 'hype' if you want, it's backed up by years worth of history (even, back into Pre-Crisis years, which contrast to Classic Marvel), writer statements, bios, the actual fights they have, etc. It's pretty hard to fault after a while.

Clark already stated in Public Enemies why he has the "advantage" against him, an advantage that doesn't seem to hinder Clarks overall Supremacy without plot devices like "being magically powered"...

Mate, this is Loeb's work. The same man who has written Hulk to job like hell, in the same series of Public Enemies Batman casually one-shotted Lady Shiva, hell it doesn't end there, his incosistencies continue, but Captain Marvel is not visibly using magic here, the only time in which he did was an issue in which he one-shotted Superman via sucker punch and the magical lightning was visibly coming from his fists.

But since we're at it, Superman has also stated he considers Billy his equal. I see no problem in using this if you're using that scan of Superman stating that.

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If Captain Marvel was actually using magic in his fight, aside from lightning and via his punches, it would look like this (visible, also a sucker punch but actual magic is being used here because it is seen pertruding from his fists).

Marvel can have all the hype in the world, but he has no feats to compete with either Hulk or Superman.

I think he does. Time and time again, he has hung in with DC's top powerhouses. I would not put Hulk on Superman pedestal either.

Are we going for the perception argument again?

I'm afraid to say the email I am referring to is a very recent email. Allow me to explain.

In Flash #107, Captain Marvel blitzes away from Wally so fast that Wally wonders whether he has a connection to the Speed Force.

I then went to Waid's official website and queries about this comic and another crossover between Captain Marvel and Flash (Flash #162). I got a response:

Now, I do not personally believe he is marginally slower (but intriguing given Waid is the one who wrote all of Flash's high end feats and created the Speed Force/IMP's) but being marginally slower at that point in time easily quantifies as Nanosecond or beyond, and that is being very generous (given he should be in Picosecond/Fetmosecond range).

It doesn't matter if he can perceive fast things, looking at it in different perspective Hulk will be fighting a fast character that can move faster than him, not that the fight will be seemingly frozen in time and Marvel can do all the stuff he wants. Thunderclaps again, there isn't really a counter for them and i'm certain you can't come up with one.

Marvel will BFR him, from my perspective, he will see faster but thus have a greater chance at BFR'ing Hulk, he's flown at light-speed, fought in the air with Superman and briefly fought in atmosphere.

How long are you willing to bet it would take travelling at the light-speed to the outer atmosphere, which is only 100 miles up? Not very long.

About the Hulk vs Thor fight... It happened in Incredible Hulk Annual from 2001 and it was to show Hulk's rivalry with Thor, Hulk also was temporarily KO him for a few seconds... Literally, he wasn't even turned back into Banner, moreover this happened when Hulk actually got serious...

So...what was the lightning KO supposed to show? His rivalry or that Thor genuinely does have powerful lightning? (which, makes sense). I don't see Hulk KO'ing him either, Thor is in the ground briefly beaten but what suggests he is KO'd? Seems like he's prying his hand for his Mjolnir.

You have also seemingly misinterpreted my lightning point. I am saying that most characters are vulnerable to it if they do not showcase a resistance. It's not just Superman.

That said, let's hit the point you're trying to exploit about the lightning. Hulk fought Thor while he had Warrior's Madness in Incredible Hulk #440 and he took HUGE lightnings in that fight and still kept fighting without tiring...

Is this the same issue in which Hulk thought a Nuke would kill Thor? Because on Saren's chronology thread, it was said he (Thor) was not operating at optimal levels.

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He wasn't KO'd and it looked WAY greater than the one in the annual so that point is moot and Hulk shouldn't be KO'd for such a petty lightning even taking into account it was magically based. Moreover, Hulk took THIS lightning between Incredible Hulks #621 and #622...

How is it moot if the same panel you posted has characters acknowledging the lightning would hurt Hulk with clear, on-panel statements?

The power of Thor's lightning and nature of it, varies to different degrees.

Now Hulk gets angrier and becomes better suited to tanking lightning and attacks, however I see nothing which suggests lightning should not hurt Hulk if it is indeed magic in nature. At base, it has hurt him, and that's what the point comes down to: magical lightning can hurt the upmost of powerhouses.

Moreover, Hulk took THIS lightning between Incredible Hulks #621 and #622...

Look, man...this showing doesn't compliment Hulk in the slightest, while it is suggested Hulk did not want to fight back, Zeus outright humiliated him...to the point where Hulk's healing is nullified and he is left for dead, with birds plucking his skin.

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Other than Marvel's Lawyers?


Adam Warlock (Classic w/ Soul Gem)
Black Bolt
Doctor Strange (Classic)
World Breaker Hulk
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@ghostravage: Quicksilver and Bluestreak are low tier speedsters, only about one time the speed of sound. Days of Future Past is overly exaggerating Quicksilver's speed and Wolverine's healing. Marvel is much faster then them. Jay Garrick is the slowest, oldest, Flash, and if Captain Marvel is marginally slower than Barry, then Marvel can beat Jay. Power Girl cannot beat CM due to Billy's slight physical advantage.

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@chu42t said:

@ghostravage: Quicksilver and Bluestreak are low tier speedsters, only about one time the speed of sound. Days of Future Past is overly exaggerating Quicksilver's speed and Wolverine's healing. Marvel is much faster then them. Jay Garrick is the slowest, oldest, Flash, and if Captain Marvel is marginally slower than Barry, then Marvel can beat Jay. Power Girl cannot beat CM due to Billy's slight physical advantage.

Billy would stomp Quicksilver.

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@kangconquers: yeah quicksilver has no chance against a dude faster, way stronger, and smarter. Plus he can fly and shoot lightning.

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@frozen:

Feats to hold what? What do you expect characters to do? Superman and Captain Marvel had a clear arm-wrestle inPower of Shazam series and Billy only lost because his power was split 1/3, he fought Superman again in Superman #102 and matched him, and the official handbook + an array of writer statements put them at a match. There is more than enough evidence to suggest they are equal in strength. The only time Superman seemed stronger was a fight in which he punched Billy to Hawaii and he was amped in that fight.

If the best thing he can do while fighting Superman is "stalemate" him, why on Earth would you consider him his equal if Superman's own words say he should have the advantage, moreover the blatant and obvious lack of feats to compete with Superman's. We've been through this before, being Superman's equal in strength does not translate into him beating Hulk. Hulk should beat him the same way or even worst than Black Adam.

Mate, this is Loeb's work. The same man who has written Hulk to job like hell, in the same series of Public EnemiesBatman casually one-shotted Lady Shiva, hell it doesn't end there, his incosistencies continue, but Captain Marvel is not visibly using magic here, the only time in which he did was an issue in which he one-shotted Superman via sucker punch and the magical lightning was visibly coming from his fists.

Job like wha... That's so wrong mate. Loeb made Hulk Rulk's kryptonite while Rulk was having LoebForce, Hulk didn't job once under Loeb's pencil, that's such a baseless assumption. Hell, Hulk one shot'd Rulk with a Thunderclap, what are you talking about mate? I don't even know why you're presenting so much resistance to Loeb's work if you used the same scan in our past CaV to validate one of your points. I'm willing to say you're having convenient double standards right now.

Marvel will BFR him, from my perspective, he will see faster but thus have a greater chance at BFR'ing Hulk, he's flown at light-speed, fought in the air with Superman and briefly fought in atmosphere.

Not even Superman can fight at lightspeed on Earth... The friction of the air on Earth stops them from reaching such speeds. There's no BFR at lightspeed but yeah, everyone and their mother can BFR Hulk... Still, that doesn't make Billy Hulk's superior and Hulk still would beat him without BFR. *claps, i guess*

Marvel will BFR him, from my perspective, he will see faster but thus have a greater chance at BFR'ing Hulk, he's flown at light-speed, fought in the air with Superman and briefly fought in atmosphere.

Did he fly at lightspeed on Earth or outside? Anyway, yeah BFR is Captain Marvel's triumph card... And only card actually.

You have also seemingly misinterpreted my lightning point. I am saying that most characters are vulnerable to it if they do not showcase a resistance. It's not just Superman.

Hulk is not vulnerable, Hulk is not vulnerable to anything... -.-... Superman on the other hand has been stated and proved to be vulnerable to magic based attacks. The same can't be said about Hulk which is what im arguing here.

Is this the same issue in which Hulk thought a Nuke would kill Thor? Because on Saren's chronology thread, it was said he (Thor) was not operating at optimal levels.

The Maestro incident happened because Thor didn't have his powers when the Nuke was launched so it killed everybody but Hulk, so he became a villain, after Hulk visited the future in Future Imperfect he broke the continuity and that possible scenario was pretty much nullified from Hulk's continuity, that said Thor got his powers back before fighting Hulk...

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And as far as i know, nothing suggested he was weakened nor anything of that indole, moreover, it was pretty clear he was operating around Warrior's Madness levels when the blatant fact that he wasn't even feeling Hulk's punches is mentioned...

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Saren did a good job in his thread, but he also stated later on he didn't give Hulk the credit he deserved in that moment. Not to mention Hulk has become exponentially stronger, tougher and deadlier in the XXI century.

How is it moot if the same panel you posted has characters acknowledging the lightning would hurt Hulk with clear, on-panel statements?

You're trying to base a point with 1 instance whereas i could do the same with 1 as well, and probably more. My point is Hulk took a WAY greater lightning by a skyfather itself and wasn't KO'd and actually was just fine a few seconds later whereas Thor's lightning was petty and KO'd Hulk for mere seconds. This notion of that lightning KOing Hulk so easily let alone assuming it's always like that is incredibly flawed.

The point is moot since im 100% sure you can't prove Hulk being KO'd that easily that way is as consistent as you're trying to imply here.

Look, man...this showing doesn't compliment Hulk in the slightest, while it is suggested Hulk did not want to fight back, Zeus outright humiliated him...to the point where Hulk's healing is nullified and he is left for dead, with birds plucking his skin.

Im not implying Hulk could take on a Skyfather, although i think Hulk is more than capable of hanging around Zeus in a slugfest. Zeus cheated and dampened Hulk's healing factor with magic, that coupled with the fact Hulk >wanted< to be punished to save his family means that fight had way too much context while you're missing the point im trying to make. Hulk took a greater lightning by someone who is by hype alone a lot stronger than Thor and didn't have the same effects as the instance you're trying to exploit here.

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#49  Edited By GhostRavage

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I don't know why you're presenting resistance to these speedsters. Even if they are slower than Marvel, they are still incredibly faster than sound which is your point am i right?

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If the best thing he can do while fighting Superman is "stalemate" him, why on Earth would you consider him his equal if Superman's own words say he should have the advantage, moreover the blatant and obvious lack of feats to compete with Superman's. We've been through this before, being Superman's equal in strength does not translate into him beating Hulk. Hulk should beat him the same way or even worst than Black Adam.

Hey man, I still disagree, Adam could beat Hulk handily IMO, and I'm still up for another CAV. (Batman vs Tony) I am not trying to imply he is equal to Superman in everything, but there is ALOT of evidence to say he is equal to Superman in solely strength, it's blatantly been shown by the writer's own intentions, and in the actual comics. Loeb's work isn't the best to quote, all we can gauge from that is Cap can fight him evenly but no magic was used.

Job like wha... That's so wrong mate. Loeb made Hulk Rulk's kryptonite while Rulk was having LoebForce, Hulk didn't job once under Loeb's pencil, that's such a baseless assumption. Hell, Hulk one shot'd Rulk with a Thunderclap, what are you talking about mate? I don't even know why you're presenting so much resistance to Loeb's work if you used the same scan in our past CaV to validate one of your points. I'm willing to say you're having convenient double standards right now.

You sure? Because I vividly remember him writing Hulk to struggle with freaking Captain America, and Loeb force was garbage. There is resistance to his work not just by me, but mostly by the board, I can assure you of that, his incosistencies are insane. I am not going to lie, I have used this scan before, however upon further review I have changed my mind, regarding that story.

Not even Superman can fight at lightspeed on Earth... The friction of the air on Earth stops them from reaching such speeds. There's no BFR at lightspeed but yeah, everyone and their mother can BFR Hulk... Still, that doesn't make Billy Hulk's superior and Hulk still would beat him without BFR. *claps, i guess*

He does not need to ''fight'' at lightspeed but with perceptions beyond lightspeed he can use that to BFR, and I would disagree with your friction point because Flashes go FTL on Earth, regardless he can BFR Hulk, it's a legitimate way of winning.

Did he fly at lightspeed on Earth or outside? Anyway, yeah BFR is Captain Marvel's triumph card... And only card actually.

He was flying near enough, maybe slightly below it on Earth. So yes, he can BFR Hulk.

Hulk is not vulnerable, Hulk is not vulnerable to anything... -.-... Superman on the other hand has been stated and proved to be vulnerable to magic based attacks. The same can't be said about Hulk which is what im arguing here

Yes he is, though, if he becomes super angry then maybe not but at base he certainly is more vulnerable. Superman has resisted stronger magic than Captain Marvel's anyways.

Fair enough on the Warrior Madness part.

You're trying to base a point with 1 instance whereas i could do the same with 1 as well, and probably more. My point is Hulk took a WAY greater lightning by a skyfather itself and wasn't KO'd and actually was just fine a few seconds later whereas Thor's lightning was petty and KO'd Hulk for mere seconds. This notion of that lightning KOing Hulk so easily let alone assuming it's always like that is incredibly flawed. The point is moot since im 100% sure you can't prove Hulk being KO'd that easily that way is as consistent as you're trying to imply here.

By your logic, Captain Marvel's lightning is also Skyfather +. He has The Power of Zeus (which he does draw lightning from, and I believe DC Zeus actually has better feats than Marvel Zeus) and it's called down from the Wizard Shazam, who's power levels are on Skyfather level. Does that not necessitate Hulk would be hurt via Captain Marvel drawing lightning?

Because the Hulk point is not supposed to be consistent. Hulk is an incosistent character. His strength, power levels, etc all vary. The Hulk that got one-shotted was at base-levels so it is highly likely he was more vulnerable at that point.

Im not implying Hulk could take on a Skyfather, although i think Hulk is more than capable of hanging around Zeus in a slugfest. Zeus cheated and dampened Hulk's healing factor with magic, that coupled with the fact Hulk >wanted< to be punished to save his family means that fight had way too much context while you're missing the point im trying to make. Hulk took a greater lightning by someone who is by hype alone a lot stronger than Thor and didn't have the same effects as the instance you're trying to exploit here.

Zeus didn't cheat. It was even said he could have destroyed Hulk with a thought. Using his magic does not need to represent power, it represents ability. We already know Hulk wante to save his family, but the beating Zeus gave him is so hard that it's difficult to ignore, he was on the ground vomitting.