Who can stalemate Lucifer Morningstar?

Lucifer Eveningstar. His level-minded, rational twin brother that just ate a Snickers bar.

@van_cere: That is my point out of all these people u decided to literally act the way you are, and you call me a troll after this? dont bother commenting like i said ill just keep in mind how much of a fool you are. It is one thing to ask for proof, and i could simply say ill shall begin digging, its another to use bad attitude lines. In the mean time don't act like a child, just a simple request is all that is needed....

@killerwasp: again, flagged for insulting. you are the one who brought up 'all those people's posts, do not blame them.

@van_cere: @killerwasp: NO FIGHTING!!!!!!!

This guy stomps.

Ghost Rider. He beat Satan and had Jesus as his cheerleader.

@penderor said:

This guy stomps.

He was beaten by humans

Pre-Recton Beyonder

@andreysemyonov1337: He was not really beaten. He was morals on.

Batman

Bump.

Could Shumagorath do it?

@bluejay4 said:

NO!

Bugs Bunny

Bump.

@dorukesin said:

Batman

is

Jesus

It all makes sense now.

@9876: The Anti-Spiral has two options, Stalemate or Stomp.

In Marvel noone can Stalemate him but a few can beat him. Living Tribunal, Pre Retcon Beyonder, Pre Retcon Molecule Man or Thanos w/HOTU.

In DC only Michael can Stalemate him.

Bump.

@doctormatrix: What about Marverls Merlin? And Mad Jasper?

@jwwprod: explain his strength to me.

What makes you think Divine Spawn would stalemate? He's basically TOAA at that point.

I heard he's just planetary level though i'm not sure.

Bump.

The One Ring, to rule them all.

So many things wrong with this.

Omniversal means every universe, this includes Pokémon, Marvel, DC, Call of Duty, Family Guy, etc.

Megaversal is just another word for multiversal.

Galactus, Death, Eternity, Oblivion, Cyttorak, Mikaboshi, etc. are not multiversal.

Synnar, Presence, Over Monitor, PR Beyonder, PR Molecule Man, LT, Protégé, and Scathan would defeat him.

HOTU Thanos, LT, Chaos, Yog, are not omniversal. They are part of their own respective multiverses.

Living Tribunal and PR Beyonder would defeat Lucifer Morningstar.

Beyonder brought Death back to the multiverse by using that one guy as a host. He never used up all of his power, he used a portion of his power. A portion of infinity is still infinity.

The Beyonder has proved himself in at least two instances that he is omniscient. I can provide scans if you wish.

PR Beyonder is above HOTU Thanos, LT, Scathan, and Protégé. He is omnipotent, his power only below The Fulcrum and The One Above All since they are the writers themselves in the comics.

Looks like you don't know much about the Beyonder.

@mysticmedivh: he clearly said he used up most of his power which proves his power is NOT infinite. Your stating he is, but it is clear to everyone that he is not. Or else he would not have said he could not bring her back. How pathetic it is to stare truth in the face and claim otherwise.

Your post contains nothing BUT your own statements, next time use scans to back up your post, but we all know you can not seeing as there are so many instances that contradict your statements. And do not even say he does not know about Beyonder when you clearly know even less.

You stand at the border of fanboism, careful not to do a triple back flip and fall in.

@mysticmedivh: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/100421/1824920-deathu.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/100421/1824923-impossiblex.jpg

And look at this; NEAR INFINITE.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/100421/1824928-nearomni.jpg

Fact is, neither Pete retcon nor any other version of him is even close to omnipotence.

This must be pretty embarrassing for you. But posts like this really gets on my nerve.

Holy smokes, Van! I see caps lock, anger, aggression, and accusations. Let's just chill out for a moment, no one is throwing around personal insults or anything here, there's no need to respond to me in such a tone, it's not going to help your argument either, especially if you're trying to make a point. We're debating about fictional comic book characters here, no harm has been done. I don't know you, and I don't know what I've ever done to you, but let's not name call either, please.

If you read my previous post I clearly said "I can provide scans if you wish".

Gallery

Gallery

Gallery

Gallery

Gallery

@mysticmedivh: All the scans that are useful; which is, that proves your point, are useless because they are statements. Some are even self statements.

You just wasted your own time.

Unless you want to do a CAV about him versus Michael Demiurgos, I will gladly comply because only then will you see how useless those scans are. I already prove you wrong, and you use statements to counter me. I mean, seriously? In that case, he is as powerful as darkseid because they both claimed omnipotence, the ONLY difference is Beyonder has enough power to fool well, fools into thinking he is. A lie said enough times will seem like the truth.

@mysticmedivh: @van_cere: Yea! go ahead and do a CAV together! seeing how well ours went I wouldn't mind seeing you two do it :)

your mom can stalemate him ;) but seriously pr beyonder is more powerful than lucifer and the question was who can stalemate him and i answered!

Your argument was that the Beyonder could not bring Death back. I showed a scan of the Beyonder bringing Death back to the multiverse.

You posted a scan of Captain America (character statement) saying the Beyonder was "Near Omnipotent", yet you argue character statements are useless. I showed you the original scan where Captain America was never even in the scan in the first place. I also showed a narrator statement saying the Beyonder was omnipotent.

"The trouble with being omnipotent is that reality isn't real to me! Everything is what I say it is! If I decide that granite is squeezably soft, it is! If I decide that cows have wings, they do! My imagination and reality are virtually indistinguishable! All existence except me, might as well be a fragment of my imagination!"

The fact is that what he's saying when he states he's omnipotent is true. He conquered everything just by thinking about, there's no statement in the Beyonder's words given above that wouldn't make us doubt that he couldn't do it. He can do anything he wants, he is omnipotent, that is what the writers always intended Pre-Recton Beyonder to be. He was the TOAA of Marvel before the establishment of the idea of TOAA.

Darkseid said he was omnipotent but he clearly lacks the feats. You're also comparing Darkseid to the Beyonder, which is not applicable. The Beyonder has feats on a multiversal+ scale, in addition to being millions of times more powerful than the multiverse itself and everything within it, the fact that he was TOAA of his own multiverse, and that his authority was well above the Living Tribunal's. He has the backing of feats.

This is about Lucifer Morningstar, not Michael Demiurgos. I'm not sure why you want to drag me into a CaV.

No I didn't waste my own time, thank you for your sincere concern though.

What happened Jww? Did something go wrong in the CaV between you two?

@mysticmedivh said:

???????

Nothing went wrong with the CAV between me and van_cere in fact it went really well.

I just thought it would be entertaining to see you and van go a CAV together.

And for the record no the Beyonder was not omniscient and I've already told you why.

In addition to the Celestial omniscient feat (where he used omniscience in order to parry billions of attacks) there's also this one.

Looks like omniscience to me.

@mysticmedivh said:

@jwwprod said:

@mysticmedivh said:

@jwwprod said:

@mysticmedivh: @van_cere: Yea! go ahead and do a CAV together! seeing how well ours went I wouldn't mind seeing you two do it :)

What happened Jww? Did something go wrong in the CaV between you two?

???????

Nothing went wrong with the CAV between me and van_cere in fact it went really well.

I just thought it would be entertaining to see you and van go a CAV together.

And for the record no the Beyonder was not omniscient and I've already told you why.

In addition to the Celestial omniscient feat (where he used omniscience in order to parry billions of attacks) there's also this one.

Looks like omniscience to me.

If that's the case then why did he come to earth then to know about the concept of desire and so on?

Not to mention he didn't knew very little about the Marvel multiverse as shown in this scan:

if he was truly omniscient then why did he came to Earth to learn about the concept of desire? not to mention that he got tricked a lot, if he was omniscient he wouldn't have needed to go to Earth in the first place because he would have already know the concept of desire and he would of know everything about the Marvel multiverse because he's well....... omniscient!

@jwwprod said:

@mysticmedivh said:

@jwwprod said:

@mysticmedivh said:

@jwwprod said:

@mysticmedivh: @van_cere: Yea! go ahead and do a CAV together! seeing how well ours went I wouldn't mind seeing you two do it :)

What happened Jww? Did something go wrong in the CaV between you two?

???????

Nothing went wrong with the CAV between me and van_cere in fact it went really well.

I just thought it would be entertaining to see you and van go a CAV together.

And for the record no the Beyonder was not omniscient and I've already told you why.

In addition to the Celestial omniscient feat (where he used omniscience in order to parry billions of attacks) there's also this one.

Looks like omniscience to me.

If that's the case then why did he come to earth then to know about the concept of desire and so on?

Not to mention he didn't knew very little about the Marvel multiverse as shown in this scan:

if he was truly omniscient then why did he came to Earth to learn about the concept of desire? not to mention that he got tricked a lot, if he was omniscient he wouldn't have needed to go to Earth in the first place because he would have already know the concept of desire and he would of know everything about the Marvel multiverse because he's well....... omniscient!

We both have scans that say otherwise. I mean, he had to have had used omniscience (or some form of it, or omniscience just to a certain degree) in order to have found out, same goes for the Celestial feat. But how could he be omniscient if he wanted to explore/discover our multiverse? I totally get what you're saying, no doubt!

I think we can agree that he's omniscient to a certain degree. (Or that the writing in the 80's was bad! ;D) Jokes aside, I understand your point.

Bump.

PR Beyonder, effortlessly

Thanos w/ hotu the same

LT should take it too, though not as easily

My mom...

@mysticmedivh: heres the link to their CaV.

What about Illuvatar?

Maybe he'll sing him to death ?

Death of the Endless

If she's too much then Dream

Beyonder destroys him and then recreates him just for fun.

Lowlaville Amazo

Rulk writed by someone worse than Loeb

Mr Mxy and Spectre from Killermovies

Me

@andreysemyonov1337: Beyonder and moleculeman (pre retcon) stake mate but thanos with HOTU beats him I don't think so.beyonder and molecule man murders lucifer

@omniawesomeness: oh really? Let us keep this short, and tell me beyonders three greatest feats. And or MMs three greatest feats.