Either Tyrant or Larfleeze depending on which versions. If it's everyone at their strongest then probably Tyrant since he was really close to Galactus.
Can someone identify these guys? They all look pretty beastly to me and the only ones I recognize are Darkseid / Surfer (who's the guy in the back) / some sort of Orange lantern / Lobo
Gorr might have a hard time. Is he even close to being as fast? Then again Mongul isn't that fast and beat pre52 Supes.
gorr doesn't need speed .. if he's even half fast than he was against thor.. he'll still slaughter supes... superman can't hurt gorr thor was only able to hurt him due to his magic lightning.. and.. gorr is basically a shadow type being.. supes have only chance of surviving by running from him.. then again.. i don't know how much would that work.. he even seeks out persons from different timeline :D
Gorr might have a hard time. Is he even close to being as fast? Then again Mongul isn't that fast and beat pre52 Supes.
gorr doesn't need speed .. if he's even half fast than he was against thor.. he'll still slaughter supes... superman can't hurt gorr thor was only able to hurt him due to his magic lightning.. and.. gorr is basically a shadow type being.. supes have only chance of surviving by running from him.. then again.. i don't know how much would that work.. he even seeks out persons from different timeline :D
I didn't say Gorr would lose. Just have an annoying time with Supes speed. I know Gorr would stomp but I wasn't sure with the amount of difficulty.
Gorr might have a hard time. Is he even close to being as fast? Then again Mongul isn't that fast and beat pre52 Supes.
gorr doesn't need speed .. if he's even half fast than he was against thor.. he'll still slaughter supes... superman can't hurt gorr thor was only able to hurt him due to his magic lightning.. and.. gorr is basically a shadow type being.. supes have only chance of surviving by running from him.. then again.. i don't know how much would that work.. he even seeks out persons from different timeline :D
I didn't say Gorr would lose. Just have an annoying time with Supes speed. I know Gorr would stomp but I wasn't sure with the amount of difficulty.
well yeah.. if superman runs away from gorr then i think he might survive more time.. but knowing superman... i don't think that'll be the case.
@highaccuser: Not the true Darkseid. Its been suggested that the Darkseids that showed up after PC Darkseid were just avatars of him. PC Darkseid absolutely destroyed superman and can easily beat him and new 52 Darkseid can beat superman too.
@highaccuser: Not the true Darkseid. Its been suggested that the Darkseids that showed up after PC Darkseid were just avatars of him. PC Darkseid absolutely destroyed superman and can easily beat him and new 52 Darkseid can beat superman too.
No...it hasn't. People say that all the time but it's never been alluded to. Yes once Darksid said he was just an avatar, but I don't think that particular DS did anything notable, plus I think he was from the future.
PC DS never actually fought superman. He fought superboy, and I'm pretty sure he won by BFR.
@highaccuser: it actually has... If you know anything about PC Darkseid you would know he would easily beat Superman. Easily. Superman even said he was stronger than him. Darkseid was created to be better than superman. And new 52 darkseid can take superman too.
@highaccuser: it actually has... If you know anything about PC Darkseid you would know he would easily beat Superman. Easily. Superman even said he was stronger than him. Darkseid was created to be better than superman. And new 52 darkseid can take superman too.
Prove it. I've never seen anything solid other than speculation.
I know about him, and I also know he never fought a full power superman. Scans please. Do prove me wrong.
Why are we even talking about this? This isn't new 52 or post-crisis.
@highaccuser: I never said he fought superman, and we are talking about this because you said Darkseid can't kill Superman, which isn't true. Darkseid really isn't on Superman's level, he's above. That's what he was created for, and he laughs off Superman.
@highaccuser: I never said he fought superman, and we are talking about this because you said Darkseid can't kill Superman, which isn't true. Darkseid really isn't on Superman's level, he's above. That's what he was created for, and he laughs off Superman.
He was created before the crisis. Then he would've surpassed superman, post-crisis not so much. He could concievebly kill supes as they are equals, but don't put him on some Thanos-level pedistal he hasn't earned a place on.
@killemall has made the argument before. He can do it better than I.
@highaccuser: some versions of Darkseid are Thanos level actually. And like I said post crisis were avatars. PC Darkseid is way above supes though and so is new 52 Darkseid.
@highaccuser: some versions of Darkseid are Thanos level actually. And like I said post crisis were avatars. PC Darkseid is way above supes though and so is new 52 Darkseid.
You haven't given me evidence pos-crisis versions are avatars. I say they're the real things.
Here are multiple times it is suggested and there are more if you wish
PC Darkseid and new 52 darkseid was the only real Darkseid IMO. Everything else was just avatars
For one thing in the third scan there's not a thing about avatars.
Also, Dakrseid can use avatars all he wants, unless those avatars actually do something they might as well be holograms. You need to prove the things superman beat were avatars.
Also, new 52 darkseid wasn't that impressive. WW(who isn't nearly her pre-new 52 self) took out his eye, and a weakened superman matched him in strength.
@highaccuser: The point is not what the avatars can do but that Darkseid appearances after PC Darkseid were only avatars. It was never outright stated but like i said it was suggested since there are multiple instances of him using less powerful avatars to do things. And since his appearances were consistently weaker post crisis it makes sense he consistently used avatars and that his true form still had the power of PC Darkseid.
His eye getting hurt was silly. He has never showed durability that low, even from avatars. He still took on the JL by himself and of course superman had to come in and save the day...
@highaccuser: The point is not what the avatars can do but that Darkseid appearances after PC Darkseid were only avatars. It was never outright stated but like i said it was suggested since there are multiple instances of him using less powerful avatars to do things. And since his appearances were consistently weaker post crisis it makes sense he consistently used avatars and that his true form still had the power of PC Darkseid.
His eye getting hurt was silly. He has never showed durability that low, even from avatars. He still took on the JL by himself and of course superman had to come in and save the day...
It's been stated he uses avatars, but not that every post-crisis appearence was of an avatar. A few avatars popping up does not prove he's at PC power level just lurking inactive. I don't care if he has avatars, I care that people think everytime he loses it's an avatar.
The JLA he took on were inexpirienced at not anywhere near pre-new 52 levels. Superman "saving the day" should have no meaning as he certainly isn't the most powerful on that particular assemblage. New 52 DS is overhyped.
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