Who and why?
Who can defeat Eternity?
Pre-Retcon Beyonder
TOAA
Presence
COIE Anti-Monitor
Lucifer Morningstar
Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
Living Tribunal
Pre-Retcon Brothers
Mad Jim Jaspers
WPOTC
Mr. Mxyzptlk
Emperor Joker
Zero-Hour Parallax
Full-Powered Galactus
There are many more
" @Lance Uppercut: CAUSE I FELT LIKE IT! and cause i'm hoping he's coming back in the siege saga. XD "I doubt that was Molecule Man. From what I remember, he wasn't some jacked up hippy with long hair, and he certainly wouldn't be helping Norman after what we've seen in the latest DA. It's probably X-Man or possibly Post Retcon Beyonder.
" @Morpheus_: Insane-genis, I alway's knew he was crazy just never got why and what drove him to it. "In truth, Entropy drove him mad by accelerating his connection with his cosmic awareness, because he required his help in order to destroy the Universe.
" @Morpheus_: Insane-genis, I alway's knew he was crazy just never got why and what drove him to it. "Omniversal awareness, he could hear everyone's thoughts and it drove him mad.
" @Stormultt said:I think the main problem was that he knew every single consequence, of every single action every single being would make." @Morpheus_: Insane-genis, I alway's knew he was crazy just never got why and what drove him to it. "Omniversal awareness, he could hear everyone's thoughts and it drove him mad. "
" @Morpheus_:He was already mad when he invaded Asgard.
It's not surprising see the route genis was taking anyway.
@geraldthesloth: I think even before that when he had his encounter with thor he was getting a little ahead of himself and losing his mind. "
Jammie Brradock,
Capitain Britain in full power,
Merlyn,
Hunger,
Anyone with Star Bands,
WPOTC,
Maybe Roma (if yeah,then fully power Adversary too),
Any multi-abstract,
The Fury,
Insane Gennis-vell
Sise-Neg
Korvac
Maybe The Infinities
Probably Shuma Gorath
" Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA Presence COIE Anti-MonitorLucifer Morningstar Pre-Retcon Molecule Man Living Tribunal Pre-Retcon Brothers Mad Jim Jaspers WPOTC Mr. Mxyzptlk Emperor Joker Zero-Hour ParallaxFull-Powered Galactus There are many more "Dont know about MJJ, everyon else probably
" Oblivion Entropy Abraxas (which all three represents the end of him) "Oblivion in the end of cycle, yeah. Abraxas, of course. But Entropy? I don't think so. She is vrey powerfull,but she only want destroy him,she can't do that.
" @"Colossus" said:Entropy is a he. And he already killed Eternity with Genis-Vell's help, and replaced him." Oblivion Entropy Abraxas (which all three represents the end of him) "Oblivion in the end of cycle, yeah. Abraxas, of course. But Entropy? I don't think so. She is vrey powerfull,but she only want destroy him,she can't do that. "
" @czarny_samael said:1.Sorry." @"Colossus" said:Entropy is a he. And he already killed Eternity with Genis-Vell's help, and replaced him. "" Oblivion Entropy Abraxas (which all three represents the end of him) "Oblivion in the end of cycle, yeah. Abraxas, of course. But Entropy? I don't think so. She is vrey powerfull,but she only want destroy him,she can't do that. "
2.Yeah, he did it with GV and I belive that most of this feat is going to GV,not to Entropy.
" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:" Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA Presence COIE Anti-MonitorLucifer Morningstar Pre-Retcon Molecule Man Living Tribunal Pre-Retcon Brothers Mad Jim Jaspers WPOTC Mr. Mxyzptlk Emperor Joker Zero-Hour ParallaxFull-Powered Galactus There are many more "Dont know about MJJ, everyon else probably "
MJJ is a reality warper on an omniversal scale. Eternity is an entity = Full-Powered Galactus. MJJ would pwn Galan with minimal effort.
" @Morpheus_ said:
" @czarny_samael said:1.Sorry. 2.Yeah, he did it with GV and I belive that most of this feat is going to GV,not to Entropy. "" @"Colossus" said:Entropy is a he. And he already killed Eternity with Genis-Vell's help, and replaced him. "" Oblivion Entropy Abraxas (which all three represents the end of him) "Oblivion in the end of cycle, yeah. Abraxas, of course. But Entropy? I don't think so. She is vrey powerfull,but she only want destroy him,she can't do that. "
Could be. Genis claimed he personally killed Eternity (scan posted here); he also believed Eternity was tired of his own existence, but Genis' words and perception while being Mad could hardly be trusted. It is true that Entropy did rely on Genis' assistance, however, since it was him who actually drove him mad - he needed his help to kill Eternity. In truth, since the feat was never shown on panel, we will never really know.
"Full-Powered Galactus There are many more "
Really? I usually have him a step or so below the true Abstracts.
" @czarny_samael said:You're right, we will never know,but Entropy didn't denied it. Did he? I think that this could be the only answer we can get..." @Morpheus_ said:
" @czarny_samael said:1.Sorry. 2.Yeah, he did it with GV and I belive that most of this feat is going to GV,not to Entropy. "" @"Colossus" said:Entropy is a he. And he already killed Eternity with Genis-Vell's help, and replaced him. "" Oblivion Entropy Abraxas (which all three represents the end of him) "Oblivion in the end of cycle, yeah. Abraxas, of course. But Entropy? I don't think so. She is vrey powerfull,but she only want destroy him,she can't do that. "Could be. Genis claimed he personally killed Eternity (scan posted here); he also believed Eternity was tired of his own existence, but Genis' words and perception while being Mad could hardly be trusted. It is true that Entropy did rely on Genis' assistance, however, since it was him who actually drove him mad - he needed his help to kill Eternity. In truth, since the feat was never shown on panel, we will never really know.
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" @Morpheus_ said:No, Entropy didn't comment anything on the matter." @czarny_samael said:You're right, we will never know,but Entropy didn't denied it. Did he? I think that this could be the only answer we can get... "" @Morpheus_ said:
" @czarny_samael said:1.Sorry. 2.Yeah, he did it with GV and I belive that most of this feat is going to GV,not to Entropy. "" @"Colossus" said:Entropy is a he. And he already killed Eternity with Genis-Vell's help, and replaced him. "" Oblivion Entropy Abraxas (which all three represents the end of him) "Oblivion in the end of cycle, yeah. Abraxas, of course. But Entropy? I don't think so. She is vrey powerfull,but she only want destroy him,she can't do that. "Could be. Genis claimed he personally killed Eternity (scan posted here); he also believed Eternity was tired of his own existence, but Genis' words and perception while being Mad could hardly be trusted. It is true that Entropy did rely on Genis' assistance, however, since it was him who actually drove him mad - he needed his help to kill Eternity. In truth, since the feat was never shown on panel, we will never really know.
"
" Did someone say that Galactus at full power can defeat Eternity? I forgot where someone said that. "o_o
" Did someone say that Galactus at full power can defeat Eternity? I forgot where someone said that. "Yes, it has been said here on the vine, but it is a mis-nomer. For Galactus to be full-power, all life would have to be consumed. Then only Galactus would exist and he would be the only thing of Eternity.
"he would be the only thing of Eternity." Sorry, but what exactly do you mean here? Are you saying that he would be Eternity at that point?
" @Tevnoba: So that explains why Galactus has never been portrayed at full power because there would be no life. What would the Phoenix Force do about that; Galactus consuming all life? "he would be the only thing of Eternity." Sorry, but what exactly do you mean here? Are you saying that he would be Eternity at that point? "The Phoenix would not be present in that universe, until Eternity was consumed by Oblivion, which would happen shortly after Galactus consumed the total of life in the universe. Then after the big crunch the Phoenix would restart the cycle.
Galactus is not an abstract (like Eternity/Infinity, Love/Hate, Chaos/Order, Death/Oblivion) because he is part of Eternity as he is a living being (living energy). Therefore, if he absorbed all the rest of the life in the universe, only space, time and himself would exist. He would not be Eternity, but he would be the only living thing in Eternity.
You said that the Phoenix Force is multiversal right? Does that mean she can be in many places at the same time? That befuddles me.
The Living Tirbunal and The One Above All are both abstracts as well right? The Phoenix Force as well?
So the Phoenix Force is above Galactus (at full power) then. Yes?
There is a difference between Omniversal and Multiversal. Multiversal is the ability for you to transcend the universe you are in and effect things in another universe directly (i.e. Owen Reece in Secret Wars II fixing multiversal damage (with his finger) without going anywhere)." @Tevnoba: I see. Thanks. You said that the Phoenix Force is multiversal right? Does that mean she can be in many places at the same time? That befuddles me. The Living Tirbunal and The One Above All are both abstracts as well right? The Phoenix Force as well? So the Phoenix Force is above Galactus (at full power) then. Yes? "
Omniversal is being everywhere in the universe at the same time (even if your presence is not felt or seen). Also, Omnidimensional is existing as a singular being and having your being exist in all dimensions and universes all the time.
The Living Tribunal could be considered an abstract as it represents the judgment of TOAA and is not 'alive' in a traditional sense. TOAA is not an abstract like the others because he does not represent an ideal or concept, however it could be argued that TOAA is like unto an abstract of the marvel abstracts like they are to us (one point of view).
" Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA Presence COIE Anti-MonitorLucifer Morningstar Pre-Retcon Molecule Man Living Tribunal Pre-Retcon Brothers Mad Jim Jaspers WPOTC Mr. Mxyzptlk Emperor Joker Zero-Hour ParallaxFull-Powered Galactus There are many more "absolutely right
" Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA Presence COIE Anti-MonitorLucifer Morningstar Pre-Retcon Molecule Man Living Tribunal Pre-Retcon Brothers Mad Jim Jaspers WPOTC Mr. Mxyzptlk Emperor Joker Zero-Hour ParallaxFull-Powered Galactus There are many more "
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