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#1 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

Hunter Zolomon begins the fight blood lusted and a hundred meters from his target, who is...

...anyone whom Zoom could beat if they did not fight back or activate any powers (such as mmh going intangible).

Zoom has to be able to beat them. No intangibles, abstracts, energy beings, anyone immune to physical harm, etc.

Who could beat Zoom under these conditions? (Bloodlusted if they need to be, esoteric equips if they have to have them)

#2 Posted by ComicStooge (9655 posts) - - Show Bio

Swamp Thing could beat, or stalemate Zoom.

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#3 Posted by Juiceboks (5935 posts) - - Show Bio

Iceman would stalemate him, as he'd just reform everytime he was shattered. Deadman. Man Thing probably.

#4 Edited by homicidalmaniac (5350 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder,Maybe Keeper Silver Surfer,Thanos with HOTU,a Time Gem user,Spectre,HZ Parallax,Time Trapper,Nate Grey,Ion,Galactus,Dr Doom with prep,Dr Who with prep,Thanos with prep,Bat-Mite,Divine Spawn,Dr Solar,Thought Robot,maybe The Fury,and Insane Genis-Vell should beat Zoom.Zoom stalemate Juggy or Ghost Rider or Destroyer.

#5 Posted by Dark Cloud™ (2166 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder,Maybe Keeper Silver Surfer,Thanos with HOTU,a Time Gem user,Spectre,HZ Parallax,Time Trapper,Nate Grey,Ion,Galactus,Dr Doom with prep,Dr Who with prep,Thanos with prep,Bat-Mite,Divine Spawn,Dr Solar,Thought Robot,maybe The Fury,and Insane Genis-Vell should beat Zoom.Zoom stalemate Juggy or Ghost Rider or Destroyer.

Pretty much.

#6 Posted by Hunter_Zolomon (190 posts) - - Show Bio

Mostly anyone who is invulnerable to physical harm, and has beyond just lightspeed reflexes(I'm not sure that will help tag him though).

#7 Posted by XxGin (1240 posts) - - Show Bio

Swamp Thing could beat, or stalemate Zoom.

Just about to say that.

#8 Posted by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

#9 Posted by ImBoredLetsDebate (444 posts) - - Show Bio

#10 Posted by ComicStooge (9655 posts) - - Show Bio

Constantine already beat lung cancer with a carton of cigarettes. :P

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#11 Posted by XImpossibruX (5029 posts) - - Show Bio

Someone made out of energy, not matter.

Or impervious to force.

#12 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

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Someone made out of energy, not matter.

Or impervious to force.

Mostly anyone who is invulnerable to physical harm, and has beyond just lightspeed reflexes(I'm not sure that will help tag him though).

Beyonder,Maybe Keeper Silver Surfer,Thanos with HOTU,a Time Gem user,Spectre,HZ Parallax,Time Trapper,Nate Grey,Ion,Galactus,Dr Doom with prep,Dr Who with prep,Thanos with prep,Bat-Mite,Divine Spawn,Dr Solar,Thought Robot,maybe The Fury,and Insane Genis-Vell should beat Zoom.Zoom stalemate Juggy or Ghost Rider or Destroyer.

Iceman would stalemate him, as he'd just reform everytime he was shattered. Deadman. Man Thing probably.

Read the OP, says he has to be able to beat them if they didn't fight back. Also it's not prep. How would Zoom not beat Juggy, Ghost Rider or Destroyer? And how would Swamp Thing beat him?

#13 Posted by Floopay (7700 posts) - - Show Bio

The Runner

Thanos

Silver Surfer stands a chance

Nova Prime could do it if he was Super Nova.

8th Day+ Juggernaut

Any Skyfather+

Zarathos in full control, Ghost Rider

Spawn, King of Hell

Several others.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#14 Edited by Bossmonster (1959 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman Prime.

#15 Posted by ImNemotheGemini (843 posts) - - Show Bio

Would I be overestimating Kid Franklin Richards here ?

#16 Posted by homicidalmaniac (5350 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium: Juggy can't be taken down by physical harm.Ghost Rider can be hurt by magical attacks.And Zoom can't hurt the Destroyer.

#17 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@homicidalmaniac: Right, so that would invalidate the OP condition, that Zoom could beat them if they didn't fight back and didn't activate any powers they don't normally have on (like MMH going intangible).

@bossmonster: how so?

@imnemothegemini: Yes. Unless Franklin has time to think, he can't warp.

#18 Posted by homicidalmaniac (5350 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium: Zoom need magical weapons to hurt Ghost Rider.Zoom need to be a telepath to beat the Juggernaut.

#19 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@homicidalmaniac: ...exactly. The OP states the requirements for people you can post are people Zoom could beat if they didn't fight back and yada yada. Thus Juggs and Ghost Rider are out, because Zoom couldn't beat them even if they didn't fight back.

#20 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3217 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone who primarily exists as energy or some form of life that can't be physically harmed by force.

#21 Edited by dondave (26617 posts) - - Show Bio

Saint of Killers

#22 Posted by Bossmonster (1959 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium: Easy. Zoom has been defeated by The Flash. The Flash family was barely able to contain Superman Prime.

#23 Posted by Moonman78 (1726 posts) - - Show Bio

Anybody wonder woman level and above,all the standard GLs. Anybody Superman level or above is way overkill

#24 Posted by Thewhiteronin (499 posts) - - Show Bio

Mad Jim Jaspers

#25 Posted by Hughgunley (20 posts) - - Show Bio

Many people can beat the guy. Sinister six (sandman, electro, mysterio, dr oc, rhino, chameleon), clayface, mirror master, Inque, Hydro-man,

Venom, wizard marvel etc, ect. ect, black mask, ect.

#26 Posted by trebean (608 posts) - - Show Bio

Many people can beat the guy. Sinister six (sandman, electro, mysterio, dr oc, rhino, chameleon), clayface, mirror master, Inque, Hydro-man,

Venom, wizard marvel etc, ect. ect, black mask, ect.

Zoom can probably solo the Sinister Six, Hydro, and Venom. Mirror Master is a bit tricky since he's always in the Mirror Dimension, and Clayface can only be beaten through other means like freezing him. But Black Mask? Isn't that a bit overkill? What can Black Mask do to Zoom?

#27 Posted by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio
#28 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone who primarily exists as energy or some form of life that can't be physically harmed by force.

@dondave said:

Saint of Killers

outside the limits of the OP.

@thedarklordpandamonium: Easy. Zoom has been defeated by The Flash. The Flash family was barely able to contain Superman Prime.

Anybody wonder woman level and above,all the standard GLs. Anybody Superman level or above is way overkill

Mad Jim Jaspers

Many people can beat the guy. Sinister six (sandman, electro, mysterio, dr oc, rhino, chameleon), clayface, mirror master, Inque, Hydro-man,

Venom, wizard marvel etc, ect. ect, black mask, ect.

1) Idiocy.

2) ...no. Zoom solos the JL on a regular basis

3) Dunno who that is

4) Literally none of those people.

#29 Posted by Walzo (4352 posts) - - Show Bio

Anybody wonder woman level and above,all the standard GLs. Anybody Superman level or above is way overkill

This is absolutely wrong.

#30 Posted by WillPayton (8409 posts) - - Show Bio

Hunter Zolomon begins the fight blood lusted and a hundred meters from his target, who is...

...anyone whom Zoom could beat if they did not fight back or activate any powers (such as mmh going intangible).

Who could beat Zoom under these conditions? (Bloodlusted if they need to be, esoteric equips if they have to have them)

I'm confused about the rules. Are you asking who can beat Zoom without fighting back or activating powers??? That makes no sense.

But whatever. People who can beat Zoom:

Pre-Crisis Superman

Pre-Crisis Hal Jordan

bloodlusted Alan Scott

The Runner (maybe)

Captain Atom/Dr Manhattan

JLU Amazo

Dr Fate

Martian Manhunter

skyfathers and above

#31 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium said:

Hunter Zolomon begins the fight blood lusted and a hundred meters from his target, who is...

...anyone whom Zoom could beat if they did not fight back or activate any powers (such as mmh going intangible).

Who could beat Zoom under these conditions? (Bloodlusted if they need to be, esoteric equips if they have to have them)

I'm confused about the rules. Are you asking who can beat Zoom without fighting back or activating powers??? That makes no sense.

But whatever. People who can beat Zoom:

Pre-Crisis Superman

Pre-Crisis Hal Jordan

bloodlusted Alan Scott

The Runner (maybe)

Captain Atom/Dr Manhattan

JLU Amazo

Dr Fate

Martian Manhunter

skyfathers and above

No, I'm saying that anyone you post has to be someone who Zoom could beat if they didn't fight back. This is to exclude all energy beings, but since nobody is able to comprehend it...

Anyhow how exactly would any of those characters beat Zoom? And skyfathers and above, is, er, outside the limits of the OP. He couldn't beat them even if they didn't fight back.

#32 Edited by WillPayton (8409 posts) - - Show Bio
#33 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

How is it odd? If that rule wasn't in place, any being immune to physical harm would be posted as a 'winner'.

No, you're misunderstanding. The rule is that the only people you can post are characters who Zoom could beat if they didn't fight back. e.g. no energy beings, who he couldn't ever beat because they're immune to physical harm. But PC Superman and everyone are fine, because Zoom could beat them if they didn't fight back. Now, how would they win?

#34 Posted by Bo88gdan (4374 posts) - - Show Bio

Dr Manhattan

#35 Posted by Sherlock (7088 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium:

Mad Jim Jaspers is a high level reality warper. Depending on who you ask he could win. Reality warping vs speed has been debated for a good long while. Like PR Molecule Man vs Zoom. Interesting thread that one

To name a few that havnt been named

Nate Grey (When he was cool)

Doomsday

Zoom literally cant beat these guys some of the few

@floopay:
Silver Surfer has also been gone over. Needless to say Zoom (The user) made mincemeat of every argument that came his way

#36 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@sherlock: how is Jim Jaspers going to win if Zoom is the fastest thing...ever? @zoom can't Zoom just stop time and then beat up MJJ?

How is Nate Grey going to beat Zoom if Zoom just, y'know, hits him first?

How is Doomsday going to beat Zoom? With multiple evolutions yes.

#37 Posted by WillPayton (8409 posts) - - Show Bio

How is it odd? If that rule wasn't in place, any being immune to physical harm would be posted as a 'winner'.

No, you're misunderstanding. The rule is that the only people you can post are characters who Zoom could beat if they didn't fight back. e.g. no energy beings, who he couldn't ever beat because they're immune to physical harm. But PC Superman and everyone are fine, because Zoom could beat them if they didn't fight back. Now, how would they win?

Oh, ok, I think I had it backwards. As far as how they'd win:

Pre-Crisis Superman - Wins by speed and raw power + versatility. He's ridiculous and pulls powers out of his ass when needed.

Pre-Crisis Hal Jordan - Ridiculously versatile and powerful. He has many ways to win since he has: teleportation, intangibility, time travel, mind control, and pretty much whatever else he wants to do he can do.

bloodlusted Alan Scott - Similar to pre-Crisis Hal, but with magic/reality warping.

The Runner (maybe) - Probably just as fast and immortal, and more powerful.

Captain Atom/Dr Manhattan - Matter/Energy manipulation, intangibility, etc.

JLU Amazo - Could just copy Zooms powers. This version of Amazo is just insanely powerful and hard to beat.

Dr Fate - Top-tier magic user, can win as long as he has time to put up defenses.

Martian Manhunter - Intangibility + mind control = win.

#38 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh, ok, I think I had it backwards. As far as how they'd win:

Pre-Crisis Superman - Wins by speed and raw power + versatility. He's ridiculous and pulls powers out of his ass when needed.

Pre-Crisis Hal Jordan - Ridiculously versatile and powerful. He has many ways to win since he has: teleportation, intangibility, time travel, mind control, and pretty much whatever else he wants to do he can do.

bloodlusted Alan Scott - Similar to pre-Crisis Hal, but with magic/reality warping.

The Runner (maybe) - Probably just as fast and immortal, and more powerful.

Captain Atom/Dr Manhattan - Matter/Energy manipulation, intangibility, etc.

JLU Amazo - Could just copy Zooms powers. This version of Amazo is just insanely powerful and hard to beat.

Dr Fate - Top-tier magic user, can win as long as he has time to put up defenses.

Martian Manhunter - Intangibility + mind control = win.

PC Supes: Nobody is faster than Zoom, he lives in his own timezone. Supes was a statue to him. Zoom will just beat him up.

PC Jordan: Same.

Alan Scott: Same.

Runner: Nobody is as fast as Zoom.

CA/DRM: Same.

Amazo: Can't copy Zoom before Zoom beats him up.

Dr. Fate: But he won't have time to.

MMH: But he won't have time to use his powers.

#39 Edited by Moonman78 (1726 posts) - - Show Bio

Who has beaten zoom- (blind)Wonder Woman, Flash, Jessie Quick.

On the other hand

Who has Zoom beaten- ?????????????

#40 Edited by TifaLockhart (13828 posts) - - Show Bio
#41 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

Who has beaten zoom- (blind)Wonder Woman, Flash, Jessie Quick.

On the other hand

Who has Zoom beaten- ?????????????

@thedarklordpandamonium: Flash with the power of three other speedsters?

Any instances of Zoom being beaten thus far by people he could actually kill if they didn't fight back are massive PIS. He lives in his own timezone.

Flash with the power of the other three speedsters...eeeeh. Probably not; Zoom can get from Point A to Point B in zero seconds. He'd just stop time and fight the Flash.

Actually -can Zoom stop time? Or is there a limit as to how much he can slow it down?

#42 Posted by TifaLockhart (13828 posts) - - Show Bio

When did Jessie Quick beat Zoom? And Wally was powered up when he won.

#43 Edited by Dredeuced (4405 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_son_of_czarnia: He lost that fight, though it was in a kind of plot mandated way.

@moonman78 Zoom has beaten up Hal Jordan, Wonder Woman(not blind this time), and Superman like they were helpless children when he wasn't putting up with their crap. He beat up Wally with the speed of two other speedsters. He solo'd every single living Flash rogue all at once.

Zoom's "loss" to Jesse Quick was one of surprise. When he was fighting there, he was slowing himself down to torment the heroes(he can't speak to people when he's moving at top speeds for obvious reasons), when Jesse suddenly regained her speed force connection and threw something at him at superspeeds for the KO. It's about as plot derisive as you can get.

Zoom's only seemingly lost a single fight where he was fighting at his best, and that was against Bart Allen when Bart had absorbed Wally, Jay, Barry, and Max Mercury's speed from an alternate earth, and he did that with a little trickery (phasing through the ground to surprise him or hitting him with drugs).

#44 Posted by TifaLockhart (13828 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced: Holy crap. That's fast! My friend is a big Bart Allen fan.

#45 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (4032 posts) - - Show Bio

Banana Peel

#46 Posted by Dredeuced (4405 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_son_of_czarnia: Yeah, despite not ever truly recreating Wally's best feats, Bart was potentially the most powerful for his short run. Here's the two instances where he more or less KO'd Zoom during The Fastest Man Alive:

That said, even this has extenuating circumstances. Iris there is Bart's grandmother and she came back in time to try to save Bart's life (Bart dies at the end of this short run) and employs Zoom to restrain him so she can use the drugs (shown being used on Zoom) on Bart to prevent his future death.

Zoom's massively powerful, he just has the absolute worst personality/character to beat heroes -- he actually loves the heroes and in a mind breakingly twisted way only wants to make them better at their job. You'll never ever see Zoom kill a superhero and only rarely hurt them seriously.

#47 Posted by TifaLockhart (13828 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced: The sonic boom finger snap was pretty twisted though. Btw, how did you feel about Bart's fight against Steppenwolf?

#48 Edited by Dredeuced (4405 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_son_of_czarnia: Bart's fight with Steppenwolf is a rather mind boggling show of PIS. Steppenwolf was hardly ever a lightspeeder and Bart was casually above light speed in his run (outruns a faster than light anti speed force beam from Inertia pretty effortlessly) so it makes no sense that he was smacking Bart around so easily, nor does it make sense that his hits hurt him so bad considering he tanked Superboy Prime before he was even amped, nor does it make sense that Bart couldn't hurt him when he was noticeably hurting Superboy Prime with his punches beforehand.

It's a really, really dumb fight. It should've been Wally vs Mongul 2.0 but I guess comic writers are hardly the most logical ones.

#49 Posted by Moonman78 (1726 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm thinking zooms molecules can be ahead of everyone else's in time, sentry has something like that as well.

Zoom is a beast but he doesn't have the power to ko a top tier, a flea going 100 mph hits harder than a flea going 20 mph but its still a flea, and compared to the really big dogs zoom is a flea. Most of what you guys say is speculation, like he can do all these great things with his powers but he never beats nobody notable with that stuff,I'm going off what he has actually done not what I think he can do, and he has yet to score a ko against anybody but flash.

#50 Posted by TifaLockhart (13828 posts) - - Show Bio

@moonman78: It isn't in Zoom's MO to KO or kill. It's well documented that Zoom's punches can hurt top tiers.