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#1 Edited by KingOfAsh (3588 posts) - - Show Bio

Before you say that Living Tribunal cannot be defeated...he was.

So who else can take him?

#2 Edited by gav (638 posts) - - Show Bio

TOAA, Thanos + IG + HOTU, that's about it from Marvel. Not as sure about the Presence and the likes from DC.

#3 Edited by Dratini1331 (7028 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingofash: Any omnipotent being can beat him. Also, couldn't he be beaten by people with absurd artifacts, like the HotU, or controlling the time vortex (though I'm not sure about the time vortex =/)? But yea, anything that's completely omnipotent can beat him, though it should still be challenging.

#4 Posted by SheenLantern (6499 posts) - - Show Bio

Pre-Retcon Beyonder

Pre-Retcon Molecule Man

Protege

Lucifer and Michael

Batman

#5 Posted by The_Imperator (1926 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingofash: Any omnipotent being can beat him. Also, couldn't he be beaten by people with absurd artifacts, like the HotU, or controlling the time vortex (though I'm not sure about the time vortex =/)? But yea, anything that's completely omnipotent can beat him, though it should still be challenging.

Nah, Time Vortex won't do it, not powerful enough.

#6 Edited by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

#7 Posted by Shavo (2061 posts) - - Show Bio

TOAA

pre retcon beyonder

pre retcon molecule man

protege

thanos with HOTU

presence

M.O.M

lucifer morningstar

michael demiurgos

elaine belloc

brothers ying-yang

im sure there are more but those are few off the top of my head

#8 Edited by KingOfAsh (3588 posts) - - Show Bio

@dratini1331 said:

@kingofash: Any omnipotent being can beat him. Also, couldn't he be beaten by people with absurd artifacts, like the HotU, or controlling the time vortex (though I'm not sure about the time vortex =/)? But yea, anything that's completely omnipotent can beat him, though it should still be challenging.

So then...

  • Azathoth
  • Man of Miricles
  • The One Above All
  • The Presence
  • Kami Tenchi
  • God Swamp Thing (maybe, almost Presence level)
  • Hao (haven't read the series, but apparently he's onmipotent in the Great Spirit, and the creator had to go on hiatus to think of a way to defeat him)
  • Lord of Nightmares (haven't seen the series, but is apparently she is omnipotent, or nigh)
  • The Truth (possibly omnipotent, definately omnipresent)
  • YHVH
  • Maxwell (can make himself omnipotent and as of his next game, may be able to summon The Presence)
  • Demonbane
  • R'hllor
  • Hodor (absolute rape)

Also, what would happen if Lelouch or Jesse Custer told him to kill himself?

#9 Posted by Dratini1331 (7028 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingofash: Lelouch can't as far as I know. He did use his geass on the collective subconscious, but that was a special case, and the collective subconscious < LT. Also, what is a king to a god? =P

Dunno about Jesse though.

#10 Edited by theONEtaichou (1521 posts) - - Show Bio
#11 Posted by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio
#12 Posted by Skit (2523 posts) - - Show Bio
This Guy

#13 Posted by GhostRavage (8878 posts) - - Show Bio

@skit said:
This Guy

Who's that guy?

Anyway, any omnipotent being. Thanos+IG got his ass whooped by LT so i don't know why someone mentioned it. Thanos+HOTU is another story. Nigh omnipotent beings can't beat him, because as far as i know... He's just below TOAA. Franklin Richards is nigh omnipotent and he can't beat LT... Max Faraday is nigh omnipotent and he can't beat LT... and the list goes on and on... But yea, PR Molecule Man can beat him due to the fact he has powers bestowed by PR Beyonder and as everybody knows... Beyonder=TOAA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PR MM>LT.

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#14 Edited by GhostRider2 (3283 posts) - - Show Bio
#15 Posted by Frocharocha (2274 posts) - - Show Bio

@skit said:
This Guy

Who's that guy?

Anyway, any omnipotent being. Thanos+IG got his ass whooped by LT so i don't know why someone mentioned it. Thanos+HOTU is another story. Nigh omnipotent beings can't beat him, because as far as i know... He's just below TOAA. Franklin Richards is nigh omnipotent and he can't beat LT... Max Faraday is nigh omnipotent and he can't beat LT... and the list goes on and on... But yea, PR Molecule Man can beat him due to the fact he has powers bestowed by PR Beyonder and as everybody knows... Beyonder=TOAA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PR MM>LT.

Nigh-omnipotence is a name they give to characters who have the ability to warp reality, Whomever liek super strenght, the Reality warping powers of these characters have limit or they are limited to things. Like Lucifer and Michael. One can't create and the other on can't make things change. The Beyonder was far from beign TOAA, otherwise he woudl be the same character today and couldn't be rivalized by PR Molecule Man.

#16 Posted by Cybrilious4 (1766 posts) - - Show Bio

Rod or the Triglav

Zeus

Basically TOAA lvl characters!

#17 Posted by Nuffs (709 posts) - - Show Bio

Doraemon

Bruce Lee

Stan ''The Man'' Lee

Droopy

Excel Excel

Nabeshin

Guu

Bruce Campbell

Michael Jackson

Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo

#18 Posted by JohnnyZ256 (2311 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally believe that Q can, but many would disagree.

#19 Edited by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

@johnnyz256 said:

I personally believe that Q can, but many would disagree.

Q can not beat Living Tribunal.

Q is around COIE Anti-Monitor's level and Living Tribunal would make mince meat out of Anti-Monitor (and this is coming from some one who is a big fan of Anti-Monitor).

#20 Posted by SSJLozza (1528 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku

#21 Posted by GhostRider2 (3283 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally believe that Q can, but many would disagree.

You know Living Tribunal is up there, Q isn't.LT would stomp Q.

#22 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssjlozza said:

Goku

Not sure if troll, or just a way-too-serious anime fan...

Anywho: Rh'llor, Arya Stark and Stephen Segal all one-shot this Living Loser.

#23 Edited by Sylvain (1640 posts) - - Show Bio

He solo LT &Bugs Bunny at once

#24 Posted by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

@sylvain said:

He solo LT &Bugs Bunny at once

Sadly he has problems with Super Cow.

#25 Edited by GhostRavage (8878 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage said:

@skit said:
This Guy

Who's that guy?

Anyway, any omnipotent being. Thanos+IG got his ass whooped by LT so i don't know why someone mentioned it. Thanos+HOTU is another story. Nigh omnipotent beings can't beat him, because as far as i know... He's just below TOAA. Franklin Richards is nigh omnipotent and he can't beat LT... Max Faraday is nigh omnipotent and he can't beat LT... and the list goes on and on... But yea, PR Molecule Man can beat him due to the fact he has powers bestowed by PR Beyonder and as everybody knows... Beyonder=TOAA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PR MM>LT.

Nigh-omnipotence is a name they give to characters who have the ability to warp reality, Whomever liek super strenght, the Reality warping powers of these characters have limit or they are limited to things. Like Lucifer and Michael. One can't create and the other on can't make things change. The Beyonder was far from beign TOAA, otherwise he woudl be the same character today and couldn't be rivalized by PR Molecule Man.

No... Beyonder was equal to TOAA in term of omnipotence. PR MM stood a chance against him because his powers were from the Beyonder himself. Nothing from the Marvel-Verse can affect PR Beyonder because he's not even from the Marvel-Verse but from the universe of the beyonders. He was indeed an omnipotent being. Also, he was a representation of a writer same as TOAA. PR Beyonder... If he thinks nothing can beat him... Nothing will beat him. PR Beyonder= TOAA in terms of omnipotence, but because he was from another dimension/universe, he stayed in the Marvel-Verse to learn more about the it, clarifying he was not omnipresent nor omniscient like TOAA in the Marvel-Verse.

He got ret-conned because one of the writers left Marvel and his colleague was pissed so he altered Beyonders origin and powers, he also downgraded Beyonders powers and took off his omnipotence.

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#26 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@dratini1331:

The collective subconscious WAS the god of lelouchs world. The point was that a Lelouch who was willing to sacrifice everything and had his heart in it could upgrade his Geass to work on gods, etc.

Regardless LT has no brain; the god collective subconscious had all the brains of humanity and Geass has been resisted before.

Custer could do it though.

#27 Posted by New_World_Order (13068 posts) - - Show Bio

Nemesis

#28 Edited by KingOfAsh (3588 posts) - - Show Bio

@skit said:
This Guy

Who's that guy?

Anyway, any omnipotent being. Thanos+IG got his ass whooped by LT so i don't know why someone mentioned it. Thanos+HOTU is another story. Nigh omnipotent beings can't beat him, because as far as i know... He's just below TOAA. Franklin Richards is nigh omnipotent and he can't beat LT... Max Faraday is nigh omnipotent and he can't beat LT... and the list goes on and on... But yea, PR Molecule Man can beat him due to the fact he has powers bestowed by PR Beyonder and as everybody knows... Beyonder=TOAA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PR MM>LT.

I'm pretty sure Living Tribunal is nigh omnipotent

#29 Posted by KingOfAsh (3588 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, the God Killer:

#31 Posted by Marshall_Long (1968 posts) - - Show Bio

#32 Posted by OverLordArhas (7720 posts) - - Show Bio
TOAA of WWE. Often get his butt kicked but gets his way in the end.

#33 Posted by GhostRavage (8878 posts) - - Show Bio
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#34 Posted by KingOfAsh (3588 posts) - - Show Bio

#35 Posted by GhostRavage (8878 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage said:

@skit said:
This Guy

Who's that guy?

Anyway, any omnipotent being. Thanos+IG got his ass whooped by LT so i don't know why someone mentioned it. Thanos+HOTU is another story. Nigh omnipotent beings can't beat him, because as far as i know... He's just below TOAA. Franklin Richards is nigh omnipotent and he can't beat LT... Max Faraday is nigh omnipotent and he can't beat LT... and the list goes on and on... But yea, PR Molecule Man can beat him due to the fact he has powers bestowed by PR Beyonder and as everybody knows... Beyonder=TOAA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PR MM>LT.

I'm pretty sure Living Tribunal is nigh omnipotent

Never said he wasn't, but he can't be defeated by nigh-omnipotent beings. Thanos HOTU was able to doit because he got access to a portion of TOAA powers and the creation of the Marvel-verse itself.

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#36 Edited by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, the God Killer:

Sadly Saint of Killers will not be able to kill the Living Tribunal.

#37 Edited by KingOfAsh (3588 posts) - - Show Bio
#38 Edited by PreCrisisFlea (68 posts) - - Show Bio

Anti-Monitor (any version)

Monitor (COIE version before anti-matter wave encroachment)

Any 5-D imp

Any good showing of Spectre

Strong version (e.g. Maggins' version) of pre-crisis Earth 1 Superman

Superboy Prime

Any telepath strong enough to make the citizens of the marvel universe no longer have a concept of an ultimate adjudicator, thus causing TLT to wink out of existence

With prep, any uber level genius intellect - Reed, Doom, late pre-Crisis Brainiac, luthor, Thanos - has a chance to figure out a way to take him out

Phantom Zone entity from late pre-COIE Superman, who laid waste to 5D imps other than Mxyptlyk

Pre-retcon Beyonder can beat him, but I do not think he is = TOAA. He talks trash about 'killing God' in Secret Wars 2, but just because a guy in a disco outfit thinks he can do something like that doesn't make it so

Any being with the physical power to very quickly destroy the rest of the marvel multiverse, removing the wellspring from which TLT's existence arises.

#39 Posted by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackknight: Why not? He killed God after all.

But God wasn't at full power when Saint of Killers killed him.

He even said:

#40 Posted by beautifulrevery (1507 posts) - - Show Bio

Anti-Monitor (any version)

Monitor (COIE version before anti-matter wave encroachment)

Any 5-D imp

Any good showing of Spectre

Strong version (e.g. Maggins' version) of pre-crisis Earth 1 Superman

Superboy Prime

Any telepath strong enough to make the citizens of the marvel universe no longer have a concept of an ultimate adjudicator, thus causing TLT to wink out of existence

With prep, any uber level genius intellect - Reed, Doom, late pre-Crisis Brainiac, luthor, Thanos - has a chance to figure out a way to take him out

Phantom Zone entity from late pre-COIE Superman, who laid waste to 5D imps other than Mxyptlyk

Pre-retcon Beyonder can beat him, but I do not think he is = TOAA. He talks trash about 'killing God' in Secret Wars 2, but just because a guy in a disco outfit thinks he can do something like that doesn't make it so

Any being with the physical power to very quickly destroy the rest of the marvel multiverse, removing the wellspring from which TLT's existence arises.

I...what...this list...no. 85% of it is wrong. Superboy Prime? Really? 5-D imps? No. Superman? No. Anti-Monitor? No. Etc etc

#41 Posted by rolldestroyer (3508 posts) - - Show Bio

No... Beyonder was equal to TOAA in term of omnipotence. PR MM stood a chance against him because his powers were from the Beyonder himself. Nothing from the Marvel-Verse can affect PR Beyonder because he's not even from the Marvel-Verse but from the universe of the beyonders. He was indeed an omnipotent being. Also, he was a representation of a writer same as TOAA. PR Beyonder... If he thinks nothing can beat him... Nothing will beat him. PR Beyonder= TOAA in terms of omnipotence, but because he was from another dimension/universe, he stayed in the Marvel-Verse to learn more about the it, clarifying he was not omnipresent nor omniscient like TOAA in the Marvel-Verse.

He got ret-conned because one of the writers left Marvel and his colleague was pissed so he altered Beyonders origin and powers, he also downgraded Beyonders powers and took off his omnipotence.

that's false, TOAA is the representation of the writer, it was explicitly shown on panel, thus he should easily be above the beyonder.

and there are other universes outside the multiverse like shadowline universe, and new universe, doesn't mean they can't get affected. Even LT is beyond the multiverse and exists in all multiverses simultaneously. The other multiverses simply lack a cosmic hierarchy.

Phantom Zone entity from late pre-COIE Superman, who laid waste to 5D imps other than Mxyptlyk

who is that exactly?

#42 Posted by KingOfAsh (3588 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage said:

No... Beyonder was equal to TOAA in term of omnipotence. PR MM stood a chance against him because his powers were from the Beyonder himself. Nothing from the Marvel-Verse can affect PR Beyonder because he's not even from the Marvel-Verse but from the universe of the beyonders. He was indeed an omnipotent being. Also, he was a representation of a writer same as TOAA. PR Beyonder... If he thinks nothing can beat him... Nothing will beat him. PR Beyonder= TOAA in terms of omnipotence, but because he was from another dimension/universe, he stayed in the Marvel-Verse to learn more about the it, clarifying he was not omnipresent nor omniscient like TOAA in the Marvel-Verse.

He got ret-conned because one of the writers left Marvel and his colleague was pissed so he altered Beyonders origin and powers, he also downgraded Beyonders powers and took off his omnipotence.

that's false, TOAA is the representation of the writer, it was explicitly shown on panel, thus he should easily be above the beyonder.

and there are other universes outside the multiverse like shadowline universe, and new universe, doesn't mean they can't get affected. Even LT is beyond the multiverse and exists in all multiverses simultaneously. The other multiverses simply lack a cosmic hierarchy.

@precrisisflea said:

Phantom Zone entity from late pre-COIE Superman, who laid waste to 5D imps other than Mxyptlyk

who is that exactly?

The part where TOAA is the write was made by neither Stan Lee nor Jack Kirby, so it isn't really.

#43 Edited by Killemall (18559 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos+IG got his ass whooped by LT so i don't know why someone mentioned it.

Wait what??

Thanos never even met Living Tribunal during Infinity Gauntlet Saga.

#44 Posted by rolldestroyer (3508 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingofash:

yes it was, from right to left.

this is from fantastic four #511

#45 Posted by Perethorn (3348 posts) - - Show Bio

#46 Posted by KingOfAsh (3588 posts) - - Show Bio
#47 Posted by rolldestroyer (3508 posts) - - Show Bio

@rolldestroyer: Issue 511 was Written by Mark Ward and illustrated by Mike Wieringo. The One Above All was first mentioned in Doctor Strange #13 - Planet Earth is No More! (created by other people, names said in the link). Neither Jack Kirby or Stan Lee were involved in The One Above All's creation.

ok, let's try this again:

Jack Kirby:

you're not going to tell me they're different now are you?

also can't you see that he uses a pencil (its eraser) to literally erase reed's wounds? i think the intend is pretty clear what TOAA is supposed to be

So?

#48 Posted by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingofash said:

@rolldestroyer: Issue 511 was Written by Mark Ward and illustrated by Mike Wieringo. The One Above All was first mentioned in Doctor Strange #13 - Planet Earth is No More! (created by other people, names said in the link). Neither Jack Kirby or Stan Lee were involved in The One Above All's creation.

ok, let's try this again:

Jack Kirby:

you're not going to tell me they're different now are you?

also can't you see that he uses a pencil (its eraser) to literally erase reed's wounds? i think the intend is pretty clear what TOAA is supposed to be

So?

#49 Posted by Frocharocha (2274 posts) - - Show Bio

Outside the Marvel characters. Some characters fro mother universe can beat him:

-The Presence.

-Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demirgos.

-The Great Evil Beast.

-Solaris

-Enerjak.

-Man of Miracles.

-God Spawn.

-Anu and Tathamet.

-Alien X.

#50 Posted by KingOfAsh (3588 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingofash said:

@jackknight: Why not? He killed God after all.

But God wasn't at full power when Saint of Killers killed him.

He even said:

Thank you...for ruining my fun. >:(